….Help me

[Gambit1015Participant 23]

Hello my brothers I hope you are all doing well.

I usually try to avoid posting things like this because I am tired of being judged and being told to bite the bullet. But I feel I have no other choice but to ask for help. I am a 23 year old (practically a virgin by choice) and I have been having a lot of issues. Some of you may say I am a TFL but I don’t want to believe it. Women have never really been attracted to me like ever. I really didn’t care about relationships or marriage until one day when I was 18. I began to think that there is something wrong with me. When I was 20 I went out and tried to pick up women with little to no success. I began to get depressed and angry until I found MGTOW. MGTOW has helped a little however I can’t help feel like there is something wrong with me. Why didn’t women want to date me before? I also notice myself being annoyed when my friends are picking up girls. Sometimes when I do go out I feel like women avoid me completely and are repulsed by my presence. I keep thinking in my head that it isn’t them its me. I feel like a huge loser who is going no where and all I can think about is how women have always rejected me. I feel I keep making excuses as to why I am single. Can I even be a MGTOW? I don’t want to have this mindset anymore, I don’t want to keep thinking about it, I don’t want to be angry, in fact I think I’m scared. Please do not judge me just….help me…please…get me out of this mindset I don’t want to keep doing this to myself. As hard as I try to see my own self worth it seems that women are always finding a way to take it all away. What do I do? Please help me…

Eye Have You

[Anonymous 0]

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Hey.

What if I told you ….the WHOLE IDEA is to get you to think there is something wrong with YOU.

/video/women-over-the-hill/

They WANT you to think there is something wrong with you. That’s the whole point. The system NEEDS you to feel insecure. It thrives off it. Especially when you’re under 25. They want you to be afraid … of what exactly? Of being alone. Of being a virgin. Of continuing to have sex even after you’re not a virgin. Of being bald. Of not being muscular…..

/video/women-are-parasites/

You’re going to feel MUCH better about this starting today.

You’re 23. You can’t see the future yet. You have MUCH to look forward to.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

First you MUST let go of women. Stop getting hung up on them.

Take a break away from that s~~~ and then start a process of self evaluation.

What are you good points? Tell us.

Bad points? Tell us.

You won’t get anywhere if you don’t first build and maintain the man you want to be or are but just don’t know it.

Tell us about yourself and lets see what we can do.

Chasing women is a rigged game.

Funny that most of us are running from women hahaha

Welcome friend.

[iamblichusParticipant 34]

I’m married in my mid-30’s and I am basically my wife’s bitch. But really, do you work out? Do you take care of your appearance? Start with that. I met my wife when I was the fittest in my life and have quickly gone downhill, and due to kids etc. can’t take care of myself the way I like. But I would start there. You’re 23, you should be able to move f~~~ing mountains. Get some endorphins pumping. At the very least you’ll feel better. I don’t see why young dudes who have no commitments can’t at the very least be in shape. Then the pussy will fling itself at you, at least something. At the very least you’ll feel better and be confident. Learn to wake up early and sleep little

Hire an escort if you can. Get that virgin s~~~ out of the way. Be careful with this and don’t be stupid. Do your research. No shame in paying as you gotta pay something to get access to a woman, at least in time and effort, but probably money as well. Then maybe once you’ve accumulated some confidence you can try to pick up women, but don’t put the pussy on the pedestal. Get what you need and get the f~~~ out. Love fades, they will manipulate you, and you’ll end up like me.

[DurdenParticipant 1051]

My advice to head over to the red pill on reddit.

Red Pill Reddit

Great wealth of information. Maybe MGTOW is for you maybe it is not. First thing is to understand the red pill. Read the sidebar.

It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything

[Anonymous 0]

@iamblichus you sure you’re not a tradcon bro?

F~~~ WOMEN, he doesnt need to do s~~~ for them,he doesnt need to work out to attract them, he doesnt need to feel bad for being a virgin and he HAS TO STOP basing himself upon his success at penetrating vaginal orifices- IT MEANS NOTHING

Edit: i should of said, im not saying dont have sex with girls, do what you want. But basing one’s worth on women is pointless and stifiling to one’s potential.

[Cipher HighwindParticipant 1144]

That subreddit is a s~~~hole and is openly hostile to MGTOW. Stick to YouTube videos.

Durden, your post has been noted.

[iamblichusParticipant 34]

Nah, I stand corrected in that he shouldn’t get his s~~~ together so he can get pussy, but if it’s f~~~ing with his skull he has to resolve it.

[Governor Megachris%Participant 3584]

EDIT: I just saw what Cipher Highwind said, and I feel the EXACT same way…he kind of stole my thunder there just seconds before me 😛

I had some issues with the Red Pill Reddit.  They seemed a little too “dudebro” to me.  “IF YOU WANT TO SLEEP WITH WOMEN, WORK ON YOUR UGLY SELF,” that’s the vibe I got off of them.  I am fine with guys telling me to work on myself (and I certainly am for my own health and sanity), but when they say it as a goal to “get in bed with a woman,” it seems non-MGTOW related.  Instead, it seems like they’re still thinking of women nonstop, and not themselves.  Not to say that a MGTOW isn’t “going their own way” if they’re sleeping with women, as that IS their decision…but having a woman around who will drive a man to insanity seems a little counterproductive to what the MGTOW philosophy really is.

[Anonymous 1]

I went through the same thing at one point. The question is: are women worth it?

I don’t think they are. The only thing they bring to the table is sex, and that you can replace with porn, or hire a prostitute. Everything else you might expect from them (compassion, empathy, support), you are most likely not only not getting it, but having these needs used against you, and then being discarded when you are of no use to them anymore.

I would suggest, work on yourself, for sure, but not for women, but for you.

Women have agency as well, and if their expectations of a “man” are beyond reach to any mortal , or if they needs (being treated like trash) does not align with yours, then you might want to go on your own way.

In the end, that’s something you have to find for yourself. We can point the way, but you have to walk the path.

[AlbertParticipant 646]

Durden wrote:

My advice to head over to the red pill on reddit

There is more than enough excellent content right here on MGTOW.com, no need to go looking elsewhere.

My advice would be to read slowly through the forums and pay particular attention to the words of H.R. Pufnstuff, BrainPilot, Keymaster, BadKan, Rennie, Harpomason, MegaChris, RoyDal, MGTower and Smitty amongst many others.

E=MC² Bitch

[Gambit1015Participant 23]

I didn’t expect this many replies. Thank you so much friends. I CHOOSE THE RED PILL!  Here’s some background info on me incase anyone is interested:

I am 23 and am close to graduating college. I enjoy working out but I am not considered “big” only “physically fit”. I don’t think I am ugly and I don’t think others do either. In my spare time I make music (dubstep, edm, etc). I also have become fascinated with anime, some of my friends thought I was weird so they stopped talking to me. Its hard for me to trust people. Some of my bad qualities would be my trust issues and the fact that I can have a big mouth sometimes or carelessly make rash decisions. I also have a huge nose but that is not the point haha. Not to mention I am too nice and sometimes get taken advantage of.

I really don’t like to ask for help because I am always told to stop being a “bitch”. Sometimes in my isolation I can hear women laughing at me. I had a lot of violent and suicidal tendencies in the past where I wanted to lash out and then kill myself all because I felt like I was nothing due to the lack of women in my life. I am sorry for the bother this is just so hard to swallow. Could it really be true that they want me to have this mindset? If it really is true that I just am not good enough for women where do I go from here? Is it possible for me to move on knowing that I may never have a woman? Is it possible for me to be okay with this?

Eye Have You

[Governor Megachris%Participant 3584]

Hey, I’ll tell ya this much.  I’m 27, and I still sometimes come across as “too nice.”  For some, it’s an immediate change.  For others, it’s a mental evolution of sorts.  It can take time.  I kick myself for being nice now and then, but it’s almost like a repentance in some way.  You realize that what you’re doing is the wrong decision, that’s definitely the right step forward!  We’ll be on here to help you on that walk.  These guys DEFINITELY do that for me.  It’s a nice escape to sanity from the insanity.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Did you listen to the videos I posted? LISTEN GOOD.

Could it really be true that they want me to have this mindset?

OF COURSE they do. That’s why they want you nice and desperate when you turn 31, so that you be a parachute for the first bitch who starts talking to you. They want you to be nice and thirsty so that you’ll take ANY fat, over the hill bitch who will pay attention to you. And then you’ll think “SHE’S THE ONE!!!!”.

And then there’s the vomit.

Gambit1015 wrote:

If it really is true that I just am not good enough for women where do I go from here?

Who gives a f~~~ if you’re not good enough for a woman?
Until she MEANS something to you…. she means NOTHING to you.

If you want to date or marry or find a woman worth knowing, you don’t GIVE A S~~~ about whether or not you’re “good enough for her”. All you should care about … is “is she good enough for YOU”. That’s it. There is nothing else. You don’t approach a woman to find out if she likes YOU… you want to know if you like HER. As soon as the answer is “no” you eject her. What she thinks about you is f~~~ing WORTHLESS.

Until she MEANS something to you…. she means NOTHING to you.
That way, her bulls~~~ “rejection” means nothing to you too. You follow?

Is it possible for me to move on knowing that I may never have a woman?

As soon as you stop thinking of women as some kind of “prize”.

REPEAT AFTER ME:

“Any woman who isn’t pleased with me is insignificant”.
“Any woman who isn’t pleased with me is insignificant”.
“Any woman who isn’t pleased with me is insignificant”.
“Any woman who isn’t pleased with me is insignificant”.
“Any woman who isn’t pleased with me is insignificant”.
“Any woman who isn’t pleased with me is insignificant”.
“Any woman who isn’t pleased with me is insignificant”……

Ad nauseam.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 1]

“Any woman who isn’t pleased with me is insignificant”.

“Any woman who isn’t pleased with me is insignificant”.

“Any woman who isn’t pleased with me is insignificant”.

…

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

I do like a bit of ‘ad nauseam’ ☺

The KeyMaster speaks true.

[AntaresParticipant 208]

Gambit, your problem is gynocentrism.

“Do women find me attractive, why can’t I get a date, women think {xxx}, women do {xxx}, etc”

Shelve all that s~~~. Your life does not revolve around women unless YOU make it so. If women didn’t exist would you have any problem at all? From the way you describe things, I don’t think so. Define yourself on your own terms. It’s probably a bigger paradigm shift than you realize, and it will take time to fully grasp, but if you stick with it you’ll realize what a small box you previously confined yourself to. There’s a whole world waiting for you, and it doesn’t revolve around women. They’re just a speed bump in your way to achieving greater things.

Price is what you pay, value is what you get. -- Ben Graham

[– Deleted on Request –Spectator 936]

Gambit:

 

I’m a lot older than you and, trust me, women aren’t, on the whole, worth the anxiety and aggravation.  If a suitable woman comes your way and something nice comes from it, great.  If not, don’t worry about it.

 

[Gambit1015Participant 23]

Thank you my brothers for your comments and advice. I have watched the videos that the KeyMaster has posted along with others and starting now I will begin to walk the path and attempt to break free from the chains.  I will post again when I feel I have achieved a reasonable milestone. Thank you all again and I encourage you all to keep helping others. This is definitely going to take some time but with the help of my fellow MGTOW’s I think I’ll be okay…..I’ll be okay! Thank you all again!

Eye Have You

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