Help me keep my sanity here guys…

[thisistheguy123Participant 2063]

Atton wrote:

Politics are the new religion .

So true.

However people hardly ever theorize about politics like they use to with religion.

I miss intellectual debates, so many people are stuck to their beliefs like flies on s~~~

[SolidParticipant 7520]

Everyone should be able to love who they want to love, in the way they want to love
Nice, so I will get married to that hot bitch there
This is oppression, men in marriage always oppress women, check your male privileges, heterosexual cis men are the worst thing in human kind

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Everyone should be able to love who they want to love, in the way they want to love
So you think that it’s ok to a 60yo guy to bang a 5yo girl ?

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Everyone should be free to discuss ideas and don’t be oppressed by their own beliefs
Thanks God you are not insane !
Are you imposing your god beliefs over me ? This is those kind of microagressions that the patriarchy keep doing, stop oppressing me !

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There is no thing as liberal. Everyone, in any point, will find something that is so sick to be accepted by them. People support only their own version of freedom.

The worst thing about it, is that they call this s~~~ leftism !! This s~~~ is so wrong, basically 100% of the extreme right wing guys that I met, including my father, love some extreme leftist ideas like the gulag where you put those s~~~ty rebels to work as slaves.

They can’t see that left never will be synonym of freedom, left is about the power being in the hand of the state, a strong and big state. Those idiots are just a social tool, minions in service of the left agenda. But I have to agree, when things get out of control like we have today, some good old oppression like cops beating those bastards and putting them into jail, sound good hahaha

Any freedom speech by one guy like your brother, I can easily argue using logic that what they want isn’t freedom, is just to people to think like them, those “minorities” are nothing more than a way to gather more minions for the cause. I’m the kind of guy who like to help others, and that’s the main reason to me to hate any SJW, they are a f~~~ing mess, they make a f~~~ing mess, they don’t help anyone, they just make those minorities being even more hated.

SJW just make protests and post pictures on facebook, but you ever seen one of those saying “look that guy, he just get out of the prison, have no job, his ex wife took all his money and he was arrested because he can’t pay alimony, I will help him to find a job” ? They never will say it because they don’t f~~~ing care about people suffering, they care about getting attention and looking good in MSM, in their facebook images, is just a mask, in the end of the day, they don’t give a s~~~ that his habits f~~~ the environment, but in the other day he will protest against it everywhere he/she can.

Those are f~~~ing hypocrites that lack of logic, reason, and above everything, they don’t give a f~~~ to the real freedom, they just want to impose their behaviour and thinking above everything else, they don’t care about people, they just want to look “modern guy/girl who like to help people who need”, just to post things on facebook and get attention, likes and whatever.

Get away from those people, I know that is your brother, you have to deal with s~~~ like that, but abstract it, don’t talk about it, avoid him, when you are with him, do something else instead of discussing those facts. Let him live his life, don’t try to “red pill” him, don’t try to open his eyes, you can only save those who want to be saved.

[narwhalParticipant]

thisistheguy123 wrote:

Me: This isn’t about Clinton/Trump, this is about you seeing things one way and unable to accept people for being different
Bro: No, those people are stupid idiots
Me: So you’re just a hypocrite who hates others who don’t think the same way as you because you cannot accept people?

Not sure if you are paraphrasing, but I think these kind of exchanges are a big part of the problem.

If you actually want to change a persons mind or have a useful conversation, not simply insult them, then do not call that person a hypocrite. Instead say that they’re argument is hypocritical.

Labeling someone a hypocrite does several things that you probably don’t intend. A label is a personal attack. A person who is labeled isn’t interested in the argument in question any more, they are only interested in self defense or attack. I have no doubt that your brother wasn’t even thinking about whether or not his statement was hypocritical or not. It also invites them to return a label on you, which just multiplies the problem. You quickly get to a point where you aren’t interested in getting to the truth anymore, just about saving face and ‘winning’.

Along the same lines, don’t react to labels/insults. When your brother calls Trump supporters as idiots, translate that to ‘Trump supporters have idiotic reasons for supporting Trump’. If that’s not true then either ignore or counter that. IMO, that’s absolutely true, as there are a lot of stupid reasons to support Trump that people believe. Be willing to accept that. You cannot expect your brother to accept what you say as truth if you cannot to do the same.

Discussions on politics and religion always go ugly because people make it personal and refuse to accept the possibility that they may be wrong, or at least that they don’t have an answer for everything. You can’t do much about how the other guy is behaving, but you can control your own behavior. I find that people will tend to model your behavior when they see the value it and no that they can trust you not to turn it into a personal attack.

Or…you can just walk away or to continue the frustration.

Ok. Then do it.

[thisistheguy123Participant 2063]

@solid

You’re right, all they ever do is talk talk talk

Now I don’t usually go out of my way TOO much to help people, but if they are in my path I always try to help or share what I have with the people around me in any environment, despite the cost

now that I think of it, the liberal people I know are some of the most uptight when it comes to sharing things.

And again you’re right, they just want a world of clones and sheep agreeing with everything they say.
Maybe people agreeing with them makes them feel better about themselves?
I personally love the diversity of everything life has to offer, perspective is usually never incorrect.

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

Send him some Milo videos.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[thisistheguy123Participant 2063]

@narwhal

You’re right, there are more appropriate and perhaps more ‘mature’ ways of handling this.

I do feel as if I just have to walk away…Him and I have had some amazing memories.

But it’s just not worth it anymore

Same as women, not worth it
People who I cannot spend an hour with without it getting nasty, not worth it

[thisistheguy123Participant 2063]

FrostByte wrote:

Send him some Milo videos.

Hahahaha…He would lose his mind.

Worst is he can say things like “I can’t believe you’re my brother” and expect me to just take that s~~~.

Gotta avoid all convos at all costs now.
Can’t avoid the family, but I can avoid who and how I talk

[narwhalParticipant]

thisistheguy123 wrote:

@narwhal
You’re right, there are more appropriate and perhaps more ‘mature’ ways of handling this.
I do feel as if I just have to walk away…Him and I have had some amazing memories.

Absolutely nothing wrong with that. And it’s good that you recognize you’re taking a hit from that action as well.

I looked into this kind of stuff when I was separated from my ex. I’ve found it rather useful to train myself to think and talk in this sort of way when dealing with pretty much anyone. It’s so much less stressful. Walking away from people who can’t deal with it is definitely a part of that strategy.

thisistheguy123 wrote:

Worst is he can say things like “I can’t believe you’re my brother” and expect me to just take that s~~~.

Sounds like something a child would say. If a child told you this, would you ‘take that s~~~’? You’d probably just recognize it as meaningless and ignore it. No need to retaliate. Why can’t you do the same when your brother acts like a child? Yes, he should know to behave better, but that’s not something you have to be concerned with.

Ok. Then do it.

[PhantomParticipant 3328]

thisistheguy123 wrote:

Agreed, and he’s p~~~ed me off before too
The difference? ..I don’t get p~~~y and name calling when defending my POV.

Why I like to give them the empty chair, even if I can only do it in my head. You can’t reason with people with logic when they want to make it personal & attack the man (person).

I find ignoring those types to be the only thing that works for me.

Badger wrote:

Arguments are attempts to manipulate or subordinate another person.

I could not agree more ^

[HitmanParticipant]

want to keep your sanity?
stop talking with crazy people.
family or not,
avoid talking to them as much as possible.
he has proven himself to be a libtard,
and you can not REASON with CRAZY.

[thisistheguy123Participant 2063]

narwhal wrote:

thisistheguy123 wrote:

@narwhal
You’re right, there are more appropriate and perhaps more ‘mature’ ways of handling this.
I do feel as if I just have to walk away…Him and I have had some amazing memories.

Absolutely nothing wrong with that. And it’s good that you recognize you’re taking a hit from that action as well.

I looked into this kind of stuff when I was separated from my ex. I’ve found it rather useful to train myself to think and talk in this sort of way when dealing with pretty much anyone. It’s so much less stressful. Walking away from people who can’t deal with it is definitely a part of that strategy.

thisistheguy123 wrote:

Worst is he can say things like “I can’t believe you’re my brother” and expect me to just take that s~~~.

Sounds like something a child would say. If a child told you this, would you ‘take that s~~~’? You’d probably just recognize it as meaningless and ignore it. No need to retaliate. Why can’t you do the same when your brother acts like a child? Yes, he should know to behave better, but that’s not something you have to be concerned with.

I can’t do the same to him as he does to me, I won’t sink to that level…It sounds pretty depressing to me.

I’ve always been forced to be the bigger person, and now the bigger person is the one who has to let it go and stop trying to make the effort to communicate like an adult

[thisistheguy123Participant 2063]

Hitman wrote:

want to keep your sanity?
stop talking with crazy people.
family or not,
avoid talking to them as much as possible.
he has proven himself to be a libtard,
and you can not REASON with CRAZY.

True…It’s hard when they place themselves in your life though.
I have a hard time keeping quiet when I know someone is wrong, but that’s another thing for me to work on I suppose…And I will eventually succeed.

[AkanbiParticipant 2120]

@thisistheguy123 just ignore them. It works for me everytime. When they see that I’m not paying attention to them, they leave me alone.

I think that’s what MGTOW means= men who just don’t give a f~~~

thisistheguy123 wrote:

so many people are stuck to their beliefs like flies on s~~~

This is so true.

My brother make you no follow sheeple o. Look them and Go Your Way.

[thisistheguy123Participant 2063]

Akanbi wrote:

@thisistheguy123 just ignore them. It works for me everytime. When they see that I’m not paying attention to them, they leave me alone.

I think that’s what MGTOW means= men who just don’t give a f~~~

thisistheguy123 wrote:

so many people are stuck to their beliefs like flies on s~~~

This is so true.

thanks Akanbi!

I’m just not use to keeping my mouth shut in any situation I feel the person is not being logical
…But this is probably a big cause of stress in my life, one that’s being eliminated the more days I spend with like minded people on this board and begin to realize you cannot control/change/manipulate anything but yourself at the end of the day

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22639]

The way the election is looking. Hillary would likely use us men as cannon fodder against Russia.

Meanwhile, at worst, Trump would leave us alone. Better outcomes might lead us to having some nice job opportunities due to a Trump presidency.

Vote accordingly. Even if the election is rigged, vote because then you can say you tried to vote, but your vote was rigged and you have cause for “redress of grievances”. “Redress of grievances” is a right under the U.S. Constitution.

[JimBoLeaParticipant 1891]

TELL THEM THAY HAVE ALREADY BEEN JUDGED BY THE LAW OF MOSES, YOUR JUST STATING FACTS.
IT TOOK ME A WHILE TO UNDERSTAND THE GRACE OF GOD, AND HOW HE HAS FORGIVEN ME, TO LEAD A FREE LIFE , NOT BOUND BY THE LAW, BUT BY FAITH THRU GRACE . I SIN EACH AND EVERY DAY, WE ALL HAVE THE SIN OF ADAM UPON OUR HEADS, HAVING FAITH THAT JESUS DIED FOR ME, AND ROSE UP, ON THE THIRD DAY. THAT’S ALL YOU HAVE TO DO TO LET THE HOLY SPIRIT DWELL WITHIN YOU. TO HAVE ETERNAL LIFE , WHAT A GIFT TO GET FROM A LOVING GOD. PEOPLE TODAY SAY WHY DOES GOD LET STUFF HAPPEN TO MAN , WHERE IS GOD TODAY!!! . IT WAS MAN WHO SLOWLY BIT BY BIT GOT RID OF GOD . GOD USED TO WALK WITH ADAM AN EVE IN THE GARDEN EACH DAY, NOW LOOK AT HOW MANY TIMES EACH DAY, YOU NEVER EVEN MENTION HIS NAME OR THE MIGHTY THINGS HE DID . I’M SURE IT SADDENS GODS HEART.
BUT THERE IS FAITH , AND THAT’S WHAT I BELIEVE IN. THE FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST MY LORD AND SAVIOR.
START READING YOUR BIBLE. IT’S GOD TALKING TO ALL OF US. THIS DAY AND HOW WE SHOULD LIVE ON THIS EARTH.

LILITH IS THE HEAD SUCCUBUS AND SHE LIVES ON THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

[FreedomParticipant 295]

Many people who normally have the ability to think logically, lose that ability when thinking about emotionally-charged topics. The more they care about it, the more the logical part of their brain shuts down.

They also can’t see that they are doing this. To them, their irrationality feels perfectly logical, and their brain supplies no end of justifications to them. The more you try to show them this, the more defense mechanisms will kick in.

They cannot be reached directly, it’s impossible. The only way to reach them is to encourage and support them in cultivating their logical thinking skills in other, more emotionally-neutral domains, and hope it spills over given time. The devoted study of philosophy can help a lot with this…but it has to be done right (you can’t just read Sartre and call it good, you must actually go to school, write papers, engage in dialogues with the teacher and student, etc., for the skills to kick in. It is similar to how you can’t get stronger muscles by reading a book on weight lifting).

Apart from that, your best bet is to avoid the topic as much is possible. I have the same issue with my family. They will not see the light of reason when it comes to their extreme religious beliefs. We just talk about other things instead. Sometimes I have to put my foot down on that.

It is wise to fear dangerous commitments.

[DarkThunder30Participant 201]

Funny how your brother is supporting the most corrupt politician in history and has the nerve to call anyone else a idiot. The FBI is investigating two separate cases into her and wants to push for a indictment.

Good for you for calling him out on his BS I wouldn’t bother talking to him anymore.

[Anonymous 5]

Hate to go tin-foil like on Mgtow central but Hilary is a criminal. Trump is self made, strong cool guy (but has his hypocritical nature too). I have been asked similar s~~~ from people relating to this. And the second I pick up on that retarded s~~~ I leave. Because I have that option.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

I have a friend who is a liberal. We’ve been at it for more than 30 years. Some background. We graduated college together, both with degrees in political science. I graduated Cum Laude HE graduated Magna Cum Laude and was the first person in the state to ever graduate as a all university scholar. Both of us did the law school thing. So he is not a stupid person. He understands facts, data, evidence and reality—yet he draws different conclusions from facts, data et al than I do.

For a long time I attributed this to ideology. Ideologues tend to filter reality through ideology. That is too simple an answer. As I’ve been debating with him over the past few months I’ve hit upon a new hypothesis to explain his behavior and that of liberals in general.

The issue is not their deep abiding commitment to ideology that causes them to reject/rationalize reality. Rather the ideology is merely a tool—it is a self defense weapon. Every liberal I’ve ever met acts like they are intellectually superior to everyone else. Obviously this leads to a belief in moral superiority as well. Ideology is relevant to them only in so far as it provides a basis for asserting this superiority. (And that is key)

So the real question is why is there a need to believe one is intellectually/morally superior to others. Plenty of people are smarter than me, and probably more moral but I don’t lose any sleep over it. But a liberal does lose sleep over this issue. The real reason I believe is that liberals are fundamentally weak frightened individuals with little or no self confidence or self esteem. So liberal ideology provides them a vehicle, a means of constructing a facade personality that is self congratulating and therefore self reinforcing in order to offset their internal knowledge of what they are truly like. This is why they are not swayed by facts that challenge their intellectual/moral supremacy because to do so would mean facing the reality of what they really are–folks just as flawed as everyone else. Obviously this is why you can never win a debate with them or change their minds—because they can’t face who and what they are.

This is also why they do not value individual liberty and freedom preferring instead for a huge Leviathan government to make decisions for them. If you are free to make decisions you might make mistake/errors and those with a superior intelligence/morality can not allow that due to it undermining their self value. If government makes all the decisions for you then you are relived of that burden and your psyche is safe again.

I’m sorry I went on in some detail I know it might be boring but this issue keeps popping up and I wanted to give it definitive analysis. (Using my experience with my Lib friend) So in conclusion he is no fool, nor is he an idiot and he does see facts for what they are—but he can’t admit to it without exposing himself as the weak, scared, insecure person that he is.

I suspect the same hold true for the brother in the opening dialogue.

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