Help me keep my sanity here guys…

[thisistheguy123Participant 2063]

So last night I had a bday dinner (Bday was last Sunday) with my parents and brother.
In other threads I told people my brother is a bleeding heart liberal, and also a gay man…One who I’ve supported since finding out he was gay

Dinner was great, but at the end politics get brought up

Here is part of the discussion;
Me: So you hate Trump and hate all his supporters?
Bro: yes
Me: So you want people to accept everything, and anything that makes people happy, right?
Bro: Yes
Me: Well don’t you find it hypocritical to not accept people for their beliefs and opinions?
Bro: No, people need to only like Hillary because Trump is the worst human
Me: This isn’t about Clinton/Trump, this is about you seeing things one way and unable to accept people for being different
Bro: No, those people are stupid idiots
Me: So you’re just a hypocrite who hates others who don’t think the same way as you because you cannot accept people?
Bro: You just don’t have as much life experience to know what I’m talking about

So I called him out on resorting to insults in a discussion as being weak, knowing he has no real retort.
…Should be noted he is 6 years older than I.

I nearly lost my s~~~…Him being all high and mighty with his bulls~~~.

I love my family…But the more time passes the more I view them as a cause of sadness in my life more than joy (outside of my nieces and nephews)

How do you guys handle it?
I feel trapped in a vicious cycle of judgment while never once being allowed to judge others because I’m a white male, and the runt of society

Any suggestions would be helpful.

Thanks guys.

[Anonymous 22]

You can’t fix liberals. The best thing to do would probably be to avoid talking about politics with him. I would say, even avoid liberals and ignore them completely but because he’s your brother it’s different.

I would simply not talk about politics with him, at all. And if he starts talking about it, I would clearly let him know that I’m not interested and change the subject.

[thisistheguy123Participant 2063]

Anonymous wrote:

You can’t fix liberals. The best thing to do would probably be to avoid talking about politics with him. I would say, even avoid liberals and ignore them completely but because he’s your brother it’s different.

I would simply not talk about politics with him, at all. And if he starts talking about it, I would clearly let him know that I’m not interested and change the subject.

I tried, the whole dinner I had to bite my tongue, and it worked.
Until he started being a hypocrite and had to call him out on it.

My problem is how is a person who is pretty smart (he really is) unable to see how not accepting people while telling people to be accepting is hypocritical

I even said “Trump is leading in some polls”
He said “No he’s not, are you f~~~ing stupid?!”
I nearly punched him out (and I really could)…It’s wearing on my day today, and now I need to avoid him even further

And he wondered why he wasn’t invited to my real bday party this weekend…

[DorkShitParticipant 4353]

Everyone is judgmental with righteous indignation.

Tell your brother that he is gay. Gay people are judged as being despicable human beings by society.

So, it is only fair that his viewpoint would be despicable.

Point out the fact. His lifestyle and viewpoints should not be reasonable. The problem in our society is that his viewpoint is becoming the majotity.

Peace brothers

[Dark KenshiParticipant 2132]

Well, I’ve eliminated all sources of things that could possibly make me feel not welcome.

Family included. Or they accept my oppinos, even when they disagree (and I am not a hypocrite, so I accpet theirs, even if I don’t agree) with me, or I will get the f~~~ out.

The best part of being a “bear” is that I live for me, alone, for my peace and sake, and if someone disturbs that, I IMMEDIATELY tell them to f~~~ off, or I WILL make them f~~~ off, by my own means and by any means that I find necessary.

Elimite the crap in your lige, brother. That is the only way, I think.

"Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.

[FermatParticipant 3478]

Sometimes going your own way requires keeping not just women at arms length, but toxic family members as well. Ask your bro what he will do if trump wins.

I have discovered a truly remarkable list of reasons why women are not necessary for a happy life, but alas this margin is too small to contain it.

[Duke TogoParticipant 2664]

Sorry to say but it sounds like you took the bait and your brother got you. As has already been said above, avoid talking politics with him.

Think of the discussion that night as just another lesson learned… Again.

[OrlandoParticipant 833]

Your brother is an idealogue. To him it’s all about ideaology, not reality or logic.

I wouldn’t attempt to engage in any discussion with the goal of trying to persuade him to change his perspective. He can only see through the lens of his ideology.

[MeisterParticipant 2093]

So your brother is a liberal f~~ who supports a corrupt fascist feminist for president?

And the discuss at the family dinner didn’t go over well?

Monk

[TaxGuyParticipant]

It’s funny, liberals are the least liberal people I’ve ever met. They are completely liberal right up until you disagree with them. Politically, I understand a liberal being afraid of Trump because he will most likely tear a huge hole in the “establishment”, which is exactly what Trump supporters want. But you cannot claim a moral high ground when arguing between Trump and Clinton. Both are somewhat slimy people.

As for your brother, just ignore politics. Remember, it’s at a fever pitch right now, but in a week the election will be over and he will still be your brother. For the record, you called him out on being hypocritical. It may have sunk in with him. Then again, if he’s a liberal, most likely not.

Hey, if you can’t p~~~ off your own brother, who can you p~~~ off?

Order the good wine

[Bestieboy666Participant 2358]

Had a similar experience a short time ago, that I also posted on here.
I walked out and haven’t looked back.

Women are so bad, if they changed the law so I kept the house, I still wouldn't marry one. I'd rather be homeless.

[thisistheguy123Participant 2063]

Dark Kenshi wrote:

Well, I’ve eliminated all sources of things that could possibly make me feel not welcome.

Family included. Or they accept my oppinos, even when they disagree (and I am not a hypocrite, so I accpet theirs, even if I don’t agree) with me, or I will get the f~~~ out.

The best part of being a “bear” is that I live for me, alone, for my peace and sake, and if someone disturbs that, I IMMEDIATELY tell them to f~~~ off, or I WILL make them f~~~ off, by my own means and by any means that I find necessary.

Elimite the crap in your lige, brother. That is the only way, I think.

I think I ought to try to, the problem is my brother and I have been so close our whole lives.

Only the past few years as my view on society and all has evolved and his remained stagnant have we had these issues.

I’m trying to avoid it, but you know family…They’re always around.
If it wasn’t for my mom insisting he come to dinner, I wouldn’t have even had him there.

[thisistheguy123Participant 2063]

Fermat wrote:

Sometimes going your own way requires keeping not just women at arms length, but toxic family members as well. Ask your bro what he will do if trump wins.

He will be angry, sad, depressed and talk s~~~ more than anyone I know

Therefore I say; Go Trump!

[thisistheguy123Participant 2063]

Duke Togo wrote:

Sorry to say but it sounds like you took the bait and your brother got you. As has already been said above, avoid talking politics with him.

Think of the discussion that night as just another lesson learned… Again.

I did try, the whole dinner…Wasn’t until the check came that this all started
Yes, I took the bait…But him and I are both pretty equal when it comes to intelligence, I honestly thought I made a clear enough point for him to agree with

…Lesson learned.

TaxGuy wrote:

It’s funny, liberals are the least liberal people I’ve ever met. They are completely liberal right up until you disagree with them. Politically, I understand a liberal being afraid of Trump because he will most likely tear a huge hole in the “establishment”, which is exactly what Trump supporters want. But you cannot claim a moral high ground when arguing between Trump and Clinton. Both are somewhat slimy people.

As for your brother, just ignore politics. Remember, it’s at a fever pitch right now, but in a week the election will be over and he will still be your brother. For the record, you called him out on being hypocritical. It may have sunk in with him. Then again, if he’s a liberal, most likely not.

Hey, if you can’t p~~~ off your own brother, who can you p~~~ off?

Agreed, and he’s p~~~ed me off before too
The difference? ..I don’t get p~~~y and name calling when defending my POV.
But I hear you, things have just become more and more difficult as time passes to deal with these people, and the majority of society.

But you’re right, liberals are the least liberals when it comes to accepting people who disagree with them

[BadgerParticipant 2277]

Fermat wrote:

Sometimes going your own way requires keeping not just women at arms length, but toxic family members as well.

That is good advice. I have had to do that and it prevents one from getting entangled in their manipulation and exploitation. Go your own way or just plain go away because they will not. Arguments are attempts to manipulate or subordinate another person.

[EekParticipant 1162]

These are the same people who say that any black person who doesn’t support Hillary is a race traitor. Despite all the wonderful thing Hillary said about black people in the 90s while Bill and her were trying to pass their crime bill that put more black people in jail than any almost any other law.

[Anonymous 1]

When I see a discussion like that taking place I opt out, fixed the problem for me.

[thisistheguy123Participant 2063]

Eek wrote:

These are the same people who say that any black person who doesn’t support Hillary is a race traitor. Despite all the wonderful thing Hillary said about black people in the 90s while Bill and her were trying to pass their crime bill that put more black people in jail than any almost any other law.

You just reminded me of something he said

Bro: Any man who won’t vote for Hillary is just a misogynist
I nearly threw my chair at him

[thisistheguy123Participant 2063]

Anonymous wrote:

When I see a discussion like that taking place I opt out, fixed the problem for me.

Yea, but I felt as if his mind was worth putting the effort into changing, as he’s my brother.

…I should’ve known better.

[AttonParticipant]

Politics are the new religion .

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

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