Hello

[GrotesqueRogueParticipant 116]

Man, you should have read plenty of stuff in the first place. At the moment, it seems that you didn’t grasp the concept at all/mostly.

At the same time, some of us might get this smelly smell from your words.

Anyway, welcome.

[KingParticipant 4]

To be honest, “Introductions” seemed a good place to start.  And thank you, nice to meet you GrotesqueRogue.

Anyway, from skimming through some articles, I’m seeing my view AND Kan’s view represented, but very predominantly Kan’s view.

I found this site through a MGTOW’s YouTube comments that really spoke to me, which included comments about “women being worthless.”  Maybe I took it too literally, or something.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

“worthless” is a concise (and harsh) word in this case … but it’s meant more accurately like “adding little or no value”.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KingParticipant 4]

So, they are generally “adding little or no value” but not “incapable of adding significant value.”  You (MGTOW general consensus) feel women are practically (though not wholly) equally capable as men, but they just DON’T do it and choose to live off of men’s work.

[RedHeadedStrangerParticipant 204]

Hey King, if you decide the red pill is not for you, I hope that you continue along the path of justice by checking out the MRM’s and MRA’s (men’s rights movement, and men’s rights activists.)  these groups are less focused upon the emotional honey-trap, and more focused upon legislation and awareness of men’s issues.  It’s like 2 sides of the same coin.  More traditionalists on their side, less on ours.

[to:members] don’t flame me.  I don’t give 2 s~~~s about the in-fighting between MRA/MRM and MGTOW, or who is a poon, or a traitor.  I’m in it for me.

[KingParticipant 4]

Thanks, Stranger, I will check that out.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

King wrote:

You (MGTOW general consensus) feel women are practically (though not wholly) equally capable as men, but they just DON’T do it and choose to live off of men’s work.

It’s ill advised to use the word “feel”. That’s womanly.

MGTOW are thinking men.

YOU were the one who opened by illustrating your very real preference for providing FOR them , as if they can’t provide for themselves – and shouldn’t. But think deeper. Whether or not MGTOW “feel” women are equally capable as men is not even the point.

They PRETEND that they can. MGTOW don’t give a s~~~ if they can or can’t.
If she says she can…. she will be pushed out of the door and will be left to fall over herself to show it with no assistance.

SHE: “IM A STRONG WOMAN!!! I DON”T NEED NO MAN!! I’M A YOU GO, GIRL!!!!”

MGTOW: “Excellent. If you say so, sweetie. Now f~~~ off .”

SHE: “BUT WHERE ARE ALL THE MEN!!???”

MGTOW: (sound of giving zero f~~~s)

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KingParticipant 4]

I see.  I guess.

 

Edit: Okay, so maybe this is the one thing I would like to ask.  I mean, I could read 100 articles and still be unsure.  What is the end game here?  What is the absolute goal?  Just guys to stop being with women?  Or to change laws?  Or to change society?  Some, all, none of these things?  I guess it probably varies from MGTOW to MGTOW, but is there one consensus?  Ah f~~~ it nevermind.  I can tell that if I have to ask, I probably don’t agree. *clicks “Submit” anyway*

[KeymasterKeymaster]

King wrote:

I see.  I guess.

It’s easy to see when you understand the effortless impact of perfect indifference.

Haven’t you ever been told by a girl “i need space”?
Well, give her the goddam galaxy – and watch what happens.

She’ll wonder where you went and why you don’t give a f~~~ about her anymore. Some times she may even come running after YOU now. Odd behavior from the chick that “needed space” wouldn’t you say? Less effort and more rewarding than trying to “win” her, too. She was never worth pursuing or caring about in the first place.
That’s just one example.

King wrote:

What is the end game here?  …… guess it probably varies from MGTOW to MGTOW

You guess correctly. Some may want to shag chicks like a machine. Some may want to say f~~~ that and build a shack in the woods. Some may want to fly of the Philippines and have 9 kinds with two wives. Who can say really. The individual end game is not relevant. The “action” is the INACTION.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

@KM,
That cartoon video is pretty much the verbalization of the thoughts I’ve had on almost every date I’ve ever been on. It’s been enormously entertaining to hear it spoken out loud by a woman’s voice, instead of silently screamed inside my head in my own voice…

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Well, maybe you’re starting to get it – and “the red pill” now.

You asked for an illustration of what “the truth” and “red pill” means. So there you have it.

If this is how you thought, it’s a wonder why you would have to ask.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KingParticipant 4]

I’ve never been told by a girl that she needs space.  I’ve seen that kind of thing on tv of course, but I’ve never gone out with the type of girl who would say that.  I’ve always filtered the rubbish girls out with a fine sieve.  I learned a little more about what I need with each relationship.  And I have never tried to “win” any girl, because I think if anything, they should be trying to win me.  Guys trying to win girls over and “keep them happy,” makes me absolutely vomit.

 

And the bit of confusion above is probably due to the fact that it was not I, but another user, who commented about the cartoon.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

King wrote:

I’ve never been told by a girl that she needs space.  I’ve seen that kind of thing on tv of course

You’re taking my lone example too literally and specifically. Of all the women I have ever known and been involved with, only ONE actually “said ” that.

Its the mentality. YOU and ME are not “proof” of anything. It’s a UNIVERSAL thing and behavior.
If it doesn’t apply to YOU (or me) it doesn’t mean it doesn’t apply – in the aggregate.

The “I don’t need no man” often repeated attitude is just another example of the way they claim independence. They will even do this on a dating website profile! How the f~~~ can a woman say “i don’t need no man” and then flock to a dating website expecting to meet a man?? You don’t need no man? OK! MGTOW just GIVE it to them. There you go, honey. No man for you. Satisfied?

“You go girl!”.

No problem.

“… but just GO for f~~~ sake. I’m busy”.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KingParticipant 4]

Right.  Like I said, I’ve seen that stuff on tv and in the media in general.  But just saying I would never go out with someone who would act like that in the first place.  You’re basically just saying, if she acts less than interested, playing (or being, genuinely) hard to get frequently turns the tables.  I agree and yes that’s a general concept, but of what is it an example?

 

Edit:  Oh, I see.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I don’t think this is the place for you. Hang around if you like. Learn something. Or don’t. But I’m done explaining s~~~ to you here.

We don’t require you to agree. The website exists for you to make up your own mind. Take what’s valuable . Discard the rest.

Good luck and fortune in your quest for knowledge.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KingParticipant 4]

Yeah, honestly brother I feel like we’re speaking different languages.  Everyone here says things but I don’t really get the “point” in what they’re saying.  But then I’ve always been a little slow.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

You may want to downgrade your own title to “pond”, “bishop” , “rookie” or “white knight” , then.
“King” is a little overkill when you have much to learn.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[FullMetalExoParticipant 2383]

Hi, of course it varies from person to person.

This website can be a good resource, It’s not a LAW. In the end: do what is better and works for you.

 

For me it’s to keep myself sane and in control of my life for my own happiness. I  chose not to date like 9 years ago, not worth the risks for me.

Seeing the relationships of my friends was my wake up call.

GrotesqueRogue wrote:

Man, you should have read plenty of stuff in the first place. At the moment, it seems that you didn’t grasp the concept at all/mostly. At the same time, some of us might get this smelly smell from your words. Anyway, welcome.

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[KingParticipant 4]

Keymaster wrote:

You may want to downgrade your own title to “pond”, “bishop” , “rookie” or “knight” , then. “King” is a little overkill when you have much to learn.

I’m not King over you all.  I’m King of my world, and of any female who wishes to be mine.  And I don’t recall a “pond” in chess, but hey, it’s a free country.

[RedHeadedStrangerParticipant 204]

don’t think of it as an endgame.  think of it as a way of life.  I’ll speak for myself.  no co-habitation, no marriage, no paying her car payments, etc.  above all, do not trust them.  I still date, though I am extremely selective about who I sleep with because I know my own worth.  so far I have been celibate for 3 years.  and I have no problem ending a date early if she p~~~es me off.  i’ll date a cool chick who has her own thing going, and does not want access to my wallet.  relationships are fun, but I will never let it get serious.  again, no co-habitation, no marriage, no paying her bills.  That’s it for me.  I think that is about as red pill LITE as you can get.  of course, I am 40, divorced, already have a beautiful daughter, and I have had a vasectomy.  so it is a lot easier for me to go MGTOW than it would be for a bachelor.  I get it.  for me it comes down to playing the field, guarding my health and wealth, and not compromising my principles to get some ass.

others take a more extreme approach, and I get that too.  i’m playing with fire, trying not to get burned.

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