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[KingParticipant 4]

Hello, everyone.  I just found this site; I would have been here long ago if I knew any such place existed.  Not sure where to begin, but I’m 25.  Honestly, I’ve hardly been wronged at all by a girl in my life, so I suppose it’s odd that I have such strong feelings about this.  My views are probably of a bit of a different flavor from the views of most people here, but with similar conclusions.  I think there are a lot of women out there who are morally decent people (i.e., not cheating, lying, thieving, betraying bitches); though obviously many ARE NOT, I don’t think that is the fundamental problem.  I do not believe in what they do on an everyday basis.  I would only be with a girl who is more like a pet than anything else.  Females with education, jobs/careers, driving, money access in general … I don’t think that is how life was meant to be.  But if it’s not hard enough to deal with that, then the feminist bulls~~~ — abortion rights, CHILD SUPPORT (!), equal pay (for unequal positions and unequal skill levels???), the double-standards of domestic violence (and abuse in general) — makes life nearly unbearable on a daily basis.  That’s about it really, as far as why I’m here.

[Anonymous 1]

King wrote:

would only be with a girl who is more like a pet than anything else. Females with education, jobs/careers, driving, money access in general … I don’t think that is how life was meant to be

Seriously? Isn’t better, instead of having a woman as a pet, get an ACTUAL pet? Besides, don’t you worry, women think the same as you, that’s why they are taking gender studies courses instead of courses that would actually pay something when they graduate. Of course, that would require effort, but, like you, they probably think women SHOULDN’T do that.  And that’s why they are DEMANDING MEN to do everything for them. The ones that realized you attract more bees with honey then vinegar are the ones you probably want.  Hence the “women against feminism” where women want their little slaves back, so they can have all the comforts of modern society with little to no effort. All they would have to do is stroke a men’s ego and voila’, they have their house, kids and money.

I don’t know about you, but I think that is a real sad state of affairs. But if you like to be a working drone, go for it. There are a few women out there willing to put a leash around your neck.

I, myself, prefer to be free.

That being said, welcome, I guess.

[KingParticipant 4]

Thank you, and good to meet you, sir.

I am a provider by nature.  I provide what I choose to provide — not what I’m told to provide.  But I would only provide for a girl who needs provision.  All these girls who can go to school and get degrees and make money on their own, do not need my provision, and therefore will never get it, and will never get me.

As for why I don’t “just get a real pet,” I think it’s obvious; girls are attractive and emotionally satisfying and I would love to be with one — though I would not marry–, IF THEY ACT PROPERLY AND KNOW THEIR POSITION.  Perhaps that makes me a non-MGTOW, I’m not sure on the definition.  The hard (impossible) part is finding an actual good one.  If a girl recognizes that she is innately inferior, submits, and follows all of my rules, then what is left to dislike?  Don’t get me wrong, I f~~~ing hate women — not just “because they are women,” but because they don’t stay in their place.  I suppose the sanity of what I’m saying, perhaps, hinges upon whether one believes that a truly submissive, obedient female exists.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

Oh dear …… sigh …… I just can’t …… be …… oh never mind.

[Anonymous 1]

King wrote:

All these girls who can go to school and get degrees and make money on their own, do not need my provision, and therefore will never get it, and will never get me.

No girl, or better yet, no WOMAN should NEED your, or ANY MEN’S provision. They should be able to provide for THEMSELVES, to carry their own weight. Only then relationships between men and women would be somehow worthy and have a deeper meaning. Even if both parties agreed on one side being the provider while the other is the “submissive” (I would call it “aristocracy), this should be a CHOICE, not IMPOSED, which in a sense is what you are proposing and in a sense it is what is happening. Why you think the gender gap myth persists? Women still have the mentality of being “taken care off”, just that this time ALL MEN should take care of ALL WOMEN. And this is exactly the mentality YOU are showing here.

King wrote:

The hard (impossible) part is finding an actual good one. If a girl recognizes that she is innately inferior, submits, and follows all of my rules, then what is left to dislike?

Well, and here we have the NAWALT argument. Except that your version is almost like the slave version of the NAWALT. What is left to dislike? How about the fact that what you have there is more of a DOLL than a human being, that would be a start. Besides, this sounds more like a slave master to me, and EXACLY what feminists paint men to be.

King wrote:

Don’t get me wrong, I f~~~ing hate women — not just “because they are women,” but because they don’t stay in their place

Yeah, I believe you. Only someone that HATES women would want to see them like this.

King wrote:

I suppose the sanity of what I’m saying, perhaps, hinges upon whether one believes that a truly submissive, obedient female exists.

The sanity of what you are saying depends on what one defines as sane. Subjugating another human being because of their gender is not what I consider sane. Your speech towards women is the same as the speech feminists have towards men. Worse, is that, in this little delusion of yours, you believe to be one on top, when in reality you are the slaving away your life so your “woman” can have their life free from any ACTUAL WORK.

As for being a “provider by nature”, well, guess what, so was I. But I like to think that my value and potential as human is greater then of being a tool for women. And I think women should aim higher then the fantasy that they all are helpless damsel in distress they pretend to be (and that you seem to INDULGE).

 

I really don’t like SLAVE MASTERS, so I guess we will not get along.

[RedHeadedStrangerParticipant 204]

Welcome to the community. We need to avoid group-think here, and I ‘m glad you’re here.  It will good for everyone if you share your views some of the topics we discuss.  Be warned: we all have Morpheus alters, and tend toward pill-pushing.

MGTOW basics:  no co-habitation, no-marriage, no gold-digging apologists tolerated. (unless you are already married, no new engagements tho).

MGTOW rabbit hole can go pretty deep.  Abstinence for some, ghosting for others. (I am practicing abstinence, in the process of expatriation).

Hang out if you are interested, see ya on the forums.

[Anonymous 1]

ILiveAgain wrote:

Oh dear …… sigh …… I just can’t …… be …… oh never mind.

Thank you.

I thought it was just me… 🙂

[KingParticipant 4]

Thanks for your input BadKan, and near-thanks for your near-input ILiveAgain.  Thank you and nice to meet you Stranger.  It may just be a first impression, but I feel like this is not the place for me after all.  But that’s pretty much going solely on BadKan’s opinions; I don’t know if those opinions are the mass consensus here, but if so I’ll likely be on my way.  The way I see it… there are two extremes:

1) Men and women are completely equal and should be treated completely equally, the good stuff and the bad stuff for both genders. (Where Kan stands)

2) Men are superior, and women should be submissive and have little power or influence in the world and in life, but they should be taken care of and protected. (Where I stand)

I think either concept is “even” (accurate or morally correct is a different story) in its own way, but the only severely f~~~ed up part is that the modern world is trying to mix the two schools, giving the advantage to women from BOTH sides of the fence, which is why there is a major problem causing the need and desire for M to GTOW.

[RedHeadedStrangerParticipant 204]

I know that “MGTOW forums are for red pill men only.”  But if he made it this far, then at least let him see what the hell a red pill really is.  I am not saying ‘be nice, fellas’, I am simply asking that we be aware of in-group/out-group dynamics; and that we not be so quick to rip ass on a first time poster in the intro section.

[KingParticipant 4]

Which brings up a good question to get me started.  Please explain the “Red Pill” thing.  I’m not finding it in the glossary, and the FAQ section only says “The Red Pill is direct reference to a scene from the 1999 film “The Matrix” and symbolizes a preference for truth – no matter how painful it may be.”  So, yes, though I have never seen The Matrix, I do understand the general concept of the ‘red and blue pills,’ I suppose, but what is the connotation precisely in the MGTOW sphere?

[RedHeadedStrangerParticipant 204]

Stop what you are doing right NOW, and go watch the matrix.  not because it will explain the red pill, but because it is Awesome — right up there with fight club.  (watch fight club first, if you haven’t seen it yet =P)

[KingParticipant 4]

Honestly, I despise movies.  I avoid them at all costs.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Hello.

King wrote:

I am a provider by nature.

No you’re not a “provider by nature”. You’re a provider by social conditioning since the crib. Being giving can be in your nature and it’s even in an ape’s nature to offer the female a banana to entice her into mating, but provision is your choice to withhold. You’re not going to provide for a homeless woman who’s wandering around on the street – just because “being a provider is your nature”.

Christopher Hitchens once said he doesn’t believe his wife should work.

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Don’t pay attention to the ever so predictable feminist / female response and her bulls~~~ “sexist” interpretation. He was clear more than once. She can work if she wants, but she wouldn’t have to, and he wouldn’t encourage it. So you and he share the same stance on that when you said “that’s not the way it’s really supposed to be”. You’re not alone in that assertion.

Equal pay for unequal work and skill levels is of course, silly.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

The Red Pill is explained in our FAQ and is a direct reference to a scene from the 1999 film “The Matrix” and symbolizes a preference for truth – no matter how painful it may be.

You take the blue pill, the story ends.
You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe.
You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland ….
And I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.

You can find answers to these and many of your questions in top navigation and all over the net. “Avoiding movies at all costs” is almost like walking around with your eyes closed. They are a peep hole into the culture and many of life’s questions are answered in the movies. Good or bad messages, films are fascinating. Especially the first Matrix film.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KingParticipant 4]

Hello, KeyMaster.  And though Mr. Hitchens would agree with me that the woman shouldn’t have to work, he would disagree with the fact that I would NOT ALLOW my girl (if she existed) to work.  She would be free to leave and go find someone who would let her work if that be her desire, but with me, she would not work.

 

The woman in that video, on a side note, is absolutely insane.  She’s pretty much saying that he should FORCE his wife to work even if she doesn’t want to.  Which is … quite odd.

[KingParticipant 4]

Keymaster wrote:

The Red Pill is explained in our FAQ and is a direct reference to a scene from the 1999 film “The Matrix” and symbolizes a preference for truth – no matter how painful it may be. You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland …. And I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.“

I’m honestly not seeing the “explanation.”  What is the “truth,” specific to MGTOW, for which a red-piller has a preference?

*IRRELEVANCE ALERT* And as far as my not liking movies, that is a matter of individual preference.  It’s not as though I’ve never given them a chance.  I’ve been coerced to watch many movies.  I find practically every single one to be boring and annoying.  Same goes for practically every form of “show” entertainment.  Live concerts?  I’ll listen to the CD; I would gain absolutely nothing by viewing live, or even meeting, even my favorite musicians.  Movies?  I’ll watch sitcoms.  Plays, musicals?  I don’t think we need to go there.  Anytime I see a form of “show,” I think the same thing: “Am I supposed to be impressed, or…?”  Everything has to be made so “important”-seeming and dramatic.  It’s pretentious.  Sitcoms, documentaries (not political bulls~~~ ones, just educational), and funny things on YouTube — pranks, especially — are about the only form of visual entertainment I enjoy.  (Well, and porn, but that’s a different thing altogether, hah.)

[Anonymous 1]

King wrote:

1) Men and women are completely equal and should be treated completely equally, the good stuff and the bad stuff for both genders. (Where Kan stands)

I don’t think we (men and women) are completely equal. I don’t expect women being naturally good at the same instances that men are (that doesn’t mean they can’t be if they don’t work hard). I do, however, think that they should do EQUIVALENT work. In a relationship, one might need to take the lead, and men might be more adequate to do so, but that doesn’t mean women can just sit back and relax. She better do something more than just reap the benefits of been provided for (and house chores and sex doesn’t compare to slaving yourself 40 hours a week). On HOW such agreement would take place it would be depend on the couple, but DEPRIVING women from actually getting the tools necessary to do so is a mistake, as far as I can see.

Besides, some biases, as far as I can tell, are actually justifiable. So men and women are not equal, they are complementary. They should be offered equal OPPORTUNITIES tough and then the INDIVIDUAL might choose its own path and get the CONSEQUENCES of such path. WOMEN included.

That’s my position.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

King wrote:

I’m honestly not seeing the “explanation.”  What is the “truth,” specific to MGTOW, for which a red-piller has a preference?

OK usually, when a guy arrives at our website, it’s rare for all of this to have to be explained. Mostly the response is something like “finally!” and they are delighted to find themselves in the company of like-minded men. They are who we created it for. I would definitely recommend sending some time in our archives and and in the Manosphere before proceeding. It’s not a deflection, it’s just that MGTOW is less of a “sales pitch” and almost entirely a CALLING.

An example might be something like “the Red Pill date” where “the truth” – specific to MGTOW – is a skill in identifying what a woman SAYS as opposed to what she actually MEANS – which is indicated very often in what she DOES. Its a way of “decoding the matrix” and reading between the lines, so when you hear all kinds of s~~~ coming out of her mouth, you know what she is REALLY saying.

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For where once you were blind, now you can see.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KingParticipant 4]

Roger that, Kan, that makes sense and I respect that.  My bad for putting words in your mouth (though I was close!).

[KingParticipant 4]

@keymaster: Right on, I will check out some of the archives and such.  For me, I *DID* feel like “Finally!  The place I’ve been looking for, full of brothers who actually agree with my ‘horrible, awful, sexist, misogynist pig’ beliefs.”  But then I posted my intro, and it seems I may have misunderstood the whole concept.  So yeah, I will check out some of the discussions around here.

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