Haunted by the "what ifs"

[OldBillParticipant]

Gambit and Phoenix, please forgive for breaking in on a fascinating conversation. I would like to share some observations.

Regarding 35; Gambit your 35 will not be my 35.

My 35 was in 1996. The world was a very different place and, because of that, the options I had, the constraints I faced, and the threats I had to assess were different too.

On the one hand, you have options I never had and knowledge I could only guess at. On the other hand, you’re dealing with far worse women and a far more gynocentric society.

My 35 wasn’t better or worse than your 35 will be. My 35 was different however.

Regarding children; If you truly desire them, make plans to have them before the age of 40.

You have more options than I did in my 30s. You also can plan and prepare much better than I could. For example, in my 30s surrogacy was unheard of while in your 30s surrogacy is near normal. You have more options but, as I wrote earlier, you’re also facing graver threats.

You can assess the risks far better than I could in my 30s. You have more options to mitigate those risks too. If you truly desire children, you should not hesitate to begin planning, saving, and otherwise preparing to have them before the age of 40.

Advances in medicine mean your senior years should be more active than mine will be. Despite that, you do not want to be 60 and chasing a 5 year old around. Look at Mod8R. Leaving aside the abject insanity of his living situation and future “plans”, he’s approaching his mid-50s and is just now thinking about having a child. It’s far too late for him, but he’s too deluded and c~~~-struck to think rationally.

It’s not too late for you, especially if you become a father before 40.

Regarding “country girls”; No matter where you find her, no matter how she was raised, and no matter how she behaves and thinks now, the odds are hugely in favor of Western culture rapidly corrupting her. She will not remain a “country girl”.

That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t think about having a family with her. It does mean you should plan on her changing and changing for the worse.

You’re a smart man, Gambit. You’re well educated, you perform a job which requires not only intelligence but analytical thinking. You know how to plan and you know how to assess risks.

If you’re serious about this, you already know how to proceed seriously in achieving it.

The choice is yours to make, the risks are your to judge, and the path is yours and yours alone to walk.

Think, research, decide, plan, prepare, and act.

God speed whatever your decision may be.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[Anonymous 3]

If you have an 8 figure net worth at 31, it’s even less of a reason to listen to the other guys on this website warning you about financial consequences of divorce.

Instead you should be following in the steps of a guy like Donald Trump. Hire quality lawyers, get prenups, and marry supermodels and rotate them out afterwards. he always keeps the kids as well.

But most of the wealthy don’t divorce. Look up the statistics by income and education, divorce rates are very low for the upper classes.

Maybe one day if I’m in Texas on business I’ll message you and we can meet up, that probably would be a good time.

I don’t understand why you mentioned having to ask a father for permission when you afterwards say that it’s not a problem. Doesn’t even make sense why you mentioned that.

[ghostParticipant]

OldBill wrote:

My 35 wasn’t better or worse than your 35 will be. My 35 was different however.

Agreed. Some things better, some things worse.

OldBill wrote:

Regarding children; If you truly desire them, make plans to have them before the age of 40.

Noted.

OldBill wrote:

Advances in medicine mean your senior years should be more active than mine will be. Despite that, you do not want to be 60 and chasing a 5 year old around. Look at Mod8R. Leaving aside the abject insanity of his living situation and future “plans”, he’s approaching his mid-50s and is just now thinking about having a child. It’s far too late for him, but he’s too deluded and c~~~-struck to think rationally.

Great example.

OldBill wrote:

You’re a smart man, Gambit. You’re well educated, you perform a job which requires not only intelligence but analytical thinking. You know how to plan and you know how to assess risks.

Thank you, sir. You are also welcome to my home ANYTIME.

OldBill wrote:

The choice is yours to make, the risks are your to judge, and the path is yours and yours alone to walk.

Think, research, decide, plan, prepare, and act.

God speed whatever your decision may be.

Agreed. I am not rushing it. I came out of a relationship THIS YEAR. I appreciate your kind words and encouragement.

[ghostParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Instead you should be following in the steps of a guy like Donald Trump. Hire quality lawyers, get prenups, and marry supermodels and rotate them out afterwards. he always keeps the kids as well.

He has had three wives. He would have more if he wasn’t already 71. I never worry about losing my kids. Believe me. I had a woman who tried to manipulate me in to having a kid with her. I warned her that if she has MY kid, the kid is MINE. She was spooked.

Anonymous wrote:

But most of the wealthy don’t divorce. Look up the statistics by income and education, divorce rates are very low for the upper classes.

Harold Hamm wrote a $1 billion check recently. It was a long marriage and still a small portion of his net worth, but he still got divorced. Ken Griffin is another gentleman who comes to mind. Also, these are older men from a different era. Let’s look at modern billionaires. Elon Musk? Divorced. Travis Kalanick? Single. Plenty of other examples. Zuckerberg is a cuck so I do not count him.

Anonymous wrote:

Maybe one day if I’m in Texas on business I’ll message you and we can meet up, that probably would be a good time.

Deal.

Anonymous wrote:

I don’t understand why you mentioned having to ask a father for permission when you afterwards say that it’s not a problem. Doesn’t even make sense why you mentioned that.

Out of respect. It’s a cultural thing.

As for being a coward, I am currently suing someone who is worth 10x as much as me. He never thought I would do it. He is smoking a pack of cigarettes a day from what I hear. He knows he cannot win. I fear no one.

[IRuleMeParticipant]

Having a kid ain’t worth the squeeze. Esp in today’s society where parents have to contend with the clash between schools and teachers over the raising and upbringing of the child. Schools calling police, teachers peddling transgenderism (child abuse), and all kinds of s~~~. Kids are simply too much headache. Esp since you have no guarantee they’re gonna turn out alright in the end. I’ve covered the cost of raising the child in another thread a long time ago. At LEAST $250,000 to bring a child into the world, and raise it to 20. Assuming the kid doesn’t flunk out of school. Assuming the kid doesn’t turn to crime and drugs. Not worth the effect and finances and headache involved. I couldn’t imagine putting a kid into today’s school system. And then you have to worry about everyone else influencing your kid. No thanks.

Bringing a child into a world that is hemorrhaging jobs, turning every job into an electronic job, into an economy that doesn’t pay wages for s~~~, into a country that is bleeding debt. You’re largely giving them a life of no future. Where they will have to learn the difficulties of wimmin if they want to have kids at all, will no doubt suffer all kinds of blue pilled s~~~… What kind of existence is that? Why would you do that to another human being?

[ghostParticipant]

IRuleMe wrote:

At LEAST $250,000 to bring a child into the world, and raise it to 20. Assuming the kid doesn’t flunk out of school. Assuming the kid doesn’t turn to crime and drugs.

This does not concern me. My kid would never end up that way. Believe me. If it only costs $250k, I can have an army of kids. Money is not my concern.

[IRuleMeParticipant]

ghost wrote:

El C~~~o Punto wrote:

At LEAST $250,000 to bring a child into the world, and raise it to 20. Assuming the kid doesn’t flunk out of school. Assuming the kid doesn’t turn to crime and drugs.

This does not concern me. My kid would never end up that way. Believe me. If it only costs $250k, I can have an army of kids. Money is not my concern.

“That won’t happen to me”… Until it does.

[ghostParticipant]

Another point about not being a coward. I grew up in a pretty rough neighborhood in Texas. Plenty of black and mexican gangsters thought they could f~~~ with me. I put two out of three Mexican gangsters in the hospital after they tried to “jump” me because one of their girlfriend’s was trying to hook up with me. I have plenty more examples. Believe me.

[ghostParticipant]

IRuleMe wrote:

“That won’t happen to me”… Until it does.

You do not know my story if you believe that.

[ghostParticipant]

IRuleMe wrote:

Bringing a child into a world that is hemorrhaging jobs, turning every job into an electronic job, into an economy that doesn’t pay wages for s~~~, into a country that is bleeding debt.

He/she will never have to worry about that. You do not get it. I cannot explain this to you.

[IRuleMeParticipant]

And if you happen to have a girl, guess what she’s gonna be doing.. Gaming the system. Playing the men the way WE got played. From the time she’s five she’ll be using her pussy pass in life to take advantage of little boys, and eventually teenagers, and eventually men. Remember how you guys all raged over the ex? Guess what.. That was some other guy’s daughter. Doing the same s~~~ your daughter will be doing to OTHER men. That ain’t right.

[ghostParticipant]

IRuleMe wrote:

And if you happen to have a girl, guess what she’s gonna be doing.. Gaming the system. Playing the men the way WE got played. From the time she’s five she’ll be using her pussy pass in life to take advantage of little boys, and eventually teenagers, and eventually men. Remember how you guys all raged over the ex? Guess what.. What was some other guy’s daughter. Doing the same s~~~ to your daughter will be doing to OTHER men. That ain’t right.

LOL. This advice may work for someone else. Sorry, bro. This does not scare me. The women I have dated never had father’s like me. I have a strong grip, bro. Believe me.

[Anonymous 3]

ghost wrote:

Another point about not being a coward. I grew up in a pretty rough neighborhood in Texas. Plenty of black and mexican gangsters thought they could f~~~ with me. I put two out of three Mexican gangsters in the hospital after they tried to “jump” me because one of their girlfriend’s was trying to hook up with me. I have plenty more examples. Believe me.

You are focusing too much on that. It was written purely to encourage you, and not as an insult. Sometimes some men need a bit of a challenge to do what they actually want to do. You mentioned a specific situation, so I wrote that challenge to motivate you into pursuing it. Because any obstacle you write is purely in your mind. Countless men are defeated by inaction, it is better to make the attempt and if it doesn’t work at least you didn’t beat yourself.

[IRuleMeParticipant]

ghost wrote:

El C~~~o Punto wrote:

And if you happen to have a girl, guess what she’s gonna be doing.. Gaming the system. Playing the men the way WE got played. From the time she’s five she’ll be using her pussy pass in life to take advantage of little boys, and eventually teenagers, and eventually men. Remember how you guys all raged over the ex? Guess what.. What was some other guy’s daughter. Doing the same s~~~ to your daughter will be doing to OTHER men. That ain’t right.

LOL. This advice may work for someone else. Sorry, bro. This does not scare me.

You’re being naive dude. You think you’re gonna have kids and they’re gonna magically turn out okay. As if you can forsee the future, as if you’re gonna be the “perfect parent”. I know plenty of upstanding guys who have deadbeat, jail ridden kids. Plenty of rich parents raised kids that squandered their finances and life potential. Kids that turned to drugs and s~~~. You might have money, and might be able to raise your kids with a silver spoon, but that isn’t a guarantee of the perfect child.

You’re gonna sit there and try to tell me “oh, that won’t happen, oh that won’t happen”. Bulls~~~! You don’ t know that. And you can’t say that with any degree of accuracy.

[ghostParticipant]

IRuleMe wrote:

You’re being naive dude.

My boss said that same thing when I quit my $400k+/yr job.

[ghostParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

You are focusing too much on that. It was written purely to encourage you, and not as an insult. Sometimes some men need a bit of a challenge to do what they actually want to do. You mentioned a specific situation, so I wrote that challenge to motivate you into pursuing it. Because any obstacle you write is purely in your mind. Countless men are defeated by inaction, it is better to make the attempt and if it doesn’t work at least you didn’t beat yourself.

I know. I did not take is an an insult. You have motivated me. Believe me.

[HermitParticipant]

IRuleMe wrote:

Gambit wrote:

El C~~~o Punto wrote:

And if you happen to have a girl, guess what she’s gonna be doing.. Gaming the system. Playing the men the way WE got played. From the time she’s five she’ll be using her pussy pass in life to take advantage of little boys, and eventually teenagers, and eventually men. Remember how you guys all raged over the ex? Guess what.. What was some other guy’s daughter. Doing the same s~~~ to your daughter will be doing to OTHER men. That ain’t right.

LOL. This advice may work for someone else. Sorry, bro. This does not scare me.

You’re being naive dude. You think you’re gonna have kids and they’re gonna magically turn out okay. As if you can forsee the future, as if you’re gonna be the “perfect parent”. I know plenty of upstanding guys who have deadbeat, jail ridden kids. Plenty of rich parents raised kids that squandered their finances and life potential. Kids that turned to drugs and s~~~. You might have money, and might be able to raise your kids with a silver spoon, but that isn’t a guarantee of the perfect child.

You’re gonna sit there and try to tell me “oh, that won’t happen, oh that won’t happen”. Bulls~~~! You don’ t know that. And you can’t say that with any degree of accuracy.

……and you don’t know that his kids will for sure turn out to be pieces of s~~~. Kids are mostly only as good as their parents and from what little I know about Gambit, he seems like he’d be a great father. The kids could turn out to be the finest human beings we’ve ever seen.

The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

[ghostParticipant]

Hermit wrote:

The kids could turn out to be the finest human beings we’ve ever seen.

Thank you, sir.

[Jack HarperParticipant 2863]

Coming from a guy who has been married I see what Phoenix is trying to say but I would add my two cents.

In regard to the money lost it’s not just the money. What bothers me is the feeling of being a ‘wage slave’. The child support must be paid or I go to prison. It’s not a good feeling. And like I was talking to a friend the other day; though I’m still as involved as I can be in my sons lives I still miss out on a lot. That’s just how it is. Example I helped my older son learning how to ride a bike. He’s autistic so the coordination thing was a struggle. It was hard for him. I helped him learn but I wasn’t there to witness the day he finally rode on his own for the first time and that really hurt.

I’d say if it’s children you long for look into surrogacy. If it’s female companionship I personally don’t see a problem with having a girlfriend. I know there are differing opinions on this. Your red pill knowledge will insulate you some from the AWALT bulls~~~ I think.

This is a great thread. Lots of good wisdom here.

[ghostParticipant]

Jack Harper wrote:

I’d say if it’s children you long for look into surrogacy. If it’s female companionship I personally don’t see a problem with having a girlfriend. I know there are differing opinions on this. Your red pill knowledge will insulate you some from the AWALT bulls~~~ I think.

Thank you, Jack.

I just cannot have a girlfriend for companionship purposes. It serves no purpose. I would like kids but want them to be raised in a similar way to the way I was raised. I want them to have a mother because I know how instrumental my mother has been in my life. She is an amazing woman. I don’t care what anyone says about women. She is smarter than 90% of men I come across. That includes the men on this website.

I would never be as successful in business without my mother’s advice. She comes from a very business savvy family. Extremely wealthy. She could school most of the MGTOWs here in business.

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