Harely Davidson fail.

[Knarley BobParticipant 2219]

Yeah, the new ones don’t even sound the same as the old school bikes. I was idling my shovel one day shooting the breeze with a fellow, and he asked what RPM mine idles at. I told him two……….
1978 Shovel FLH Dresser. Yes……… it has a kick start that works.

OATHKEEPERS, not on our watch. MOLON LABE

[Anonymous 1]

Mid 80s I had one of these…Honda V65 Magna 1100…beautiful.
If they made an identical new one, I’d buy one today.
90 degree V-4, shaft drive, 6 speed, liquid cooled, 116 hp, upright sitting, cruising masterpiece.
I also lived just a few miles from Sturgis!
Harleys were faster…not even close.
Harleys were smoother…are you kidding? H-Ds made your fillings loose.
Harleys were more economical…no way.
Harleys were more reliable…than a Honda? You’re on drugs.
Harleys were cheaper…not by a mile.
The ONLY thing Harley had was a fraternity.
Then Honda (and all the rest) copied the dinosaurs.

[Just MikeParticipant 393]

The guy I used to live with had a Harley and he needs to get hit by a bus. I love cars, bikes etc but I hated that prick and his f~~~ing ‘I own a Harley’ attitude. He bought it for the image, bought all the over-priced merch, trashed other bike brands and thought he was Terry Tough-C~~~ for owning one. Thought he was an outlaw and dressed like one but was the biggest man-bitch I’ve ever had the displeasure of knowing.

Like, used to only f~~~ fat, single mums and get attached really quickly, yet thought he was a super-stud cos he was ‘picking up wimmenz’. I never had the heart to tell him that was all he could get. He constantly ran into trouble with them, bitched about it, never stopped to look in the mirror and blame himself for repeating a pattern and did it all over again. The dumbest, most arrogant blue-pill-wannabe-red-pill chode you’d ever meet.

Anyway, he wouldn’t ride the bike for months, then when I had mates around for drinks all of a sudden he’d go rev the s~~~ out of it in the shed and take off down the road at full speed; then come back 5 minutes later and try to join the party expecting people to go ‘so you ride a Harley hey?’. Most fragile, full of s~~~ personality I’ve ever seen in a guy; his ego would fall off a shoestring. Eventually my mates cottoned on to it and ignored him; you could visibly see the pain cross his face when no one paid attention. He was gutted. C~~~ could’ve been liked, been welcome to have drinks but he got ousted from parties held at his own f~~~ing house and he accepted it like the little bitch he was. He became a laughing stock under his own roof.

Bit of an off-topic rant but I’d spit poison in his fat f~~~ing face if I could. Not sure if it was just that c~~~ but the Harley image was a huge deal to him and he was a wanker. I hope all Harley owners aren’t like that.

Society: I refuse your stick and carrot. If you try to beat or shame me you'd better take me down first time. If I want smoke blown up my ass I'll buy a cigar and a length of hose.

[hdvrodParticipant 1109]

Just Mike wrote:

I hope all Harley owners aren’t like that.

I’m not. I’ve been riding bikes for close to 40 years now. The last 15 years it’s been vrods. I always thought Harley’s were inferior bikes until the vrod came out with its liquid cooled Porsche developed engine.

I’m on my second vrod and enjoy riding it a few times a week. And I own no harley gear whatsoever.

Anyway communication, real open communication, is not wanted or even required in a relationship. Women cannot handle fully open and honest communication, plus most perceive it as a weakness on the part of a man. All that is required is catering to her whims, and even then nothing is certain. There is no way to be sure of having a successful relationshit with a woman. MGTaoist

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Harley has mastered their market and failed in all other bike markets.

Faust For Science wrote:

the bottom fell out of the market in 2007

Also, Harley went retarded and started tossing millions of R&D into s~~~ty electric crap. Who the f~~~ wants an electric Harley. I still can’t understand that. E-Vehicles are TRASH.

Basically, this is what killed Harley, bikes like this dual-sport Kawasaki (see pic)

Plus, the younger generation and entry level riders don’t nevessarily want to learn to shift and ride a traditional motorcycle. Harley is losing HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS because they never invented a twist-n-go scooter. Instead, hundreds of thousands of Chinese, Taiwanese and Japanese scooters flood our border. Harley is like FORD, retarded and they only build one good thing.
Lance Cabo 200i Fuel injected

A simple Taiwanese 169cc, twist-n-go up to 65mph. 2 year warranty, so easy to ride a child can do it, cheap to insure. Gets 75 miles per gallon. About $3300 out the door including tax and a helmet. That is where American powersports manufacturers screwed the pooch, by not developing entry level craft and letting the Asians take all the money. They are making 100’s of % in margin shipping them here for low budget buyers.

Dual-Sports & Scooters are the future. Those are what is selling to the younger riders. Cruisers have no storage, no ground clearance and are hella expensive. Its a old white guy fad.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Don’t get me wrong, my Dad rides an Ultra Classic (Harley). As for me, I’m on a Taiwanese motor scooter. for $3000 I can ride 50,000 miles. I could buy five nice scooters for the price of one Harley Night Rod.

I’m all about functionality and easy of riding. I never learned how to shift and cant understand the fasciantion of having to do all that work inbetween lights. Id rather be play dodging potholes, light and maneuverable. But to each his own I guess.

When I get the money, I’m buying a Japanese or German Dual Sport

[GrumpyParticipant]

Meh
I can appreciate some HD bikes for the “artistry” involved. However after changing/replacing chains/belts and replacing the bulls~~~ excessively loud exhausts on enough bikes, I’d rather have a shaft driven bike that is quiet and much less expensive.
Mind you, when it comes to exhaust noise, I prefer all MY internal combustion engine vehicle to be as quiet as possible.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[HermitParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Mid 80s I had one of these…Honda V65 Magna 1100…beautiful.
If they made an identical new one, I’d buy one today.
90 degree V-4, shaft drive, 6 speed, liquid cooled, 116 hp, upright sitting, cruising masterpiece.
I also lived just a few miles from Sturgis!
Harleys were faster…not even close.
Harleys were smoother…are you kidding? H-Ds made your fillings loose.
Harleys were more economical…no way.
Harleys were more reliable…than a Honda? You’re on drugs.
Harleys were cheaper…not by a mile.
The ONLY thing Harley had was a fraternity.
Then Honda (and all the rest) copied the dinosaurs.

I had one of those wonderful machines as well. My most favorite bike I’ve ever ridden except the front would wobble violently at a certain speed. Hated to sell it, but that high speed wobble would shake your b~~~~ off. That front end was messed up.

The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

[Anonymous 1]

Hermit wrote:

I had one of those wonderful machines as well. My most favorite bike I’ve ever ridden except the front would wobble violently at a certain speed. Hated to sell it, but that high speed wobble would shake your b~~~~ off. That front end was messed up.

Funny you mention that…I experienced it north of 100mph between Vegas and LA…having that while the white stripes race by is “concerning!”

I always wondered if the Suzuki copy of the Honda Magna (the Suzuki Madura) had the same issue. It was also shaft, 6 speed, liquid cooled.

[CrispParticipant 197]

Just Mike wrote:

t hit by a bus. I love cars, bikes etc but I hated that prick and his f~~~ing ‘I own a Harley’ attitude. He bought it for the image, bought all the over-priced merch, trashed other bike brands and thought he was Terry Tough-C~~~ for owning one. Thought he was an outlaw and dressed like one but was the biggest man-bitch I’ve ever had the displeasure of knowing.

Like, used to only f~~~ fat, single mums and get attached really quickly, yet thought he was a super-stud cos he was ‘picking up wimmenz’. I never had the heart to tell him that was all he could get. He constantly ran into trouble with them, bitched about it, never stopped to look in the mirror and blame himself for repeating a

I loved every word of this. Thank you! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!! Perfect description

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

For decades HD’s core business has been t-shirts and coffee mugs, not motorcycles.

Anonymous wrote:

No woman will ever allow a man to buy/operate such.

…once she thinks she’s locked down his wallet.

Meanwhile Chad’s softail still gives her the crotch tingles.

[HermitParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Hermit wrote:

I had one of those wonderful machines as well. My most favorite bike I’ve ever ridden except the front would wobble violently at a certain speed. Hated to sell it, but that high speed wobble would shake your b~~~~ off. That front end was messed up.

Funny you mention that…I experienced it north of 100mph between Vegas and LA…having that while the white stripes race by is “concerning!”

Now that you confirm that, I believe I had read somewhere that they all had that high speed front end wobble. It was a manufacturing defect.

The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Hermit wrote:

I had one of those wonderful machines as well. My most favorite bike I’ve ever ridden except the front would wobble violently at a certain speed. Hated to sell it, but that high speed wobble would shake your b~~~~ off. That front end was messed up.

Anonymous wrote:

Funny you mention that…I experienced it north of 100mph between Vegas and LA…having that while the white stripes race by is “concerning!”

Two words that can save your lives: Steering Damper.

Get one. I’m serious. There’s a reason that shimmy is called the Death Wobble.

[JustAnotherGuyParticipant]

Faust For Science wrote:

Then, the bottom fell out of the market in 2007. Instead of going back to basics, streamline and try to savage their market, they dump the masculine product image, which p~~~ed off their male customers, and they tried to sell high end motorcycles to women, whom have no interest in motorcycles, especially expensive motorcycles.

I’ll personally only ever buy Suzuki or Kawasaki. I flipped a JXR, broke both wrists, shattered the screen, tweaked the forks, and the damn thing still rode flawlessly.

Women love expensive motorcycles. They just won’t buy them.

I’d consider a 90s or 2000s Harley if the damn things didn’t cost more than a new car. And f~~~ buying a current-year Harley. They’re loud, they’re ugly, and they’re a mortgage all unto themselves. My “high” end for a motorcycle is 15k USD.

Cupcakes are Cold. MGTOW is Absolute Zero.
“Let us wait a little; when your enemy is executing a false movement, never interrupt him” –Napoleon Bonaparte, 1805

[HermitParticipant]

sidecar wrote:

Hermit wrote:

I had one of those wonderful machines as well. My most favorite bike I’ve ever ridden except the front would wobble violently at a certain speed. Hated to sell it, but that high speed wobble would shake your b~~~~ off. That front end was messed up.

Forsaken wrote:

Funny you mention that…I experienced it north of 100mph between Vegas and LA…having that while the white stripes race by is “concerning!”

Two words that can save your lives: Steering Damper.

Get one. I’m serious. There’s a reason that shimmy is called the Death Wobble.

If there were ever a motorcycle that needed one, it was the Honda V65 Magna.

The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

[RealityBitesParticipant 2198]

When I was a young man, I worked in a Harley Shop. This was when AMF owned Harley Davidson and it was BEFORE Harley’s became the “cool” bike to get by Boomer Weekend Warriors and before Harley shops turned into Clothing Stores.

However even in my day…the Japanese produced a superior motorcycle, my fellow mechanics acknowledged this truth, but also warned me to NEVER ride to work on a Japanese Bike or I would get fired.

Harley never really got away from a very old design. They tinkered with it some, but when Victory started up…Victory was making a far better V-Twin than Harley…and so did the Japanese when they started to go after the V-Twin Cruiser Market.

The main customers were Boomers who had money, and members who belonged to a Motorcycle Club whose rules prohibit them from owning and riding a Non-American Bike.

Well…the Boomers got old and started to die out…the older ones stopped buying new Harleys and many existing Harley riders (Boomers) decided to get an Indian instead. Indian has been going through double digit growth and eating into Harley’s market share (but this will be short lived because their main customer base are Boomers).

The Millenials IF they ride bikes….tend to go after cheap Japanese Sport Bikes which are not only vastly cheaper but also vastly outclass Harleys and Indians in terms of Performance and Reliability.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Anonymous wrote:

Grungie bad to the bone salt of the earth men rode Harleys.

Because they were cheap to build and easy to work on.

Then Harleys stopped being cheap.

RealityBites wrote:

The Millenials IF they ride bikes….tend to go after cheap Japanese Sport Bikes which are not only vastly cheaper but also vastly outclass Harleys and Indians in terms of Performance and Reliability.

Here is your classic millennial “biker”:

’nuff said.

[AttonParticipant]

Insanely expensive for someone like me entirely out of reach.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[B4TOWParticipant 209]

Harley Davidson: The priciest piece of performance p~~~ a person could ever procure.
I made that quote.
Harley Davidson is the shortbus of motorcycling.
If you want an example of “resting on your laurels”, They are the epitome.
They sell Three Thousand dollar motorcycles for a premium. The high price they set makes the owner feel like they have value. They are 30 years behind everybody else. The smallest bike they make is a 500 CC. for around 7K They have no entry level options for new riders. Kawasaki just introduced a new 400 that will smoke the s~~~ out of Harleys 500 for 2K less. Take that 2k and put some performance parts on the 400.. See ya. Look at Harleys Ads. Minorities and women are featured. Harley is always a day late and a dollar short. In a robust economy people can afford a 20K parade float. Harley never enters Isle of Man. Their only race programs they do are flat track (dirt at the fairgrounds) and straight line drag racing. Indian is smoking them now in flat track. Circuit racing is to them is like a gay man in a strip club. Harley has not competed with the rest of the world. To be fair, they are getting pummeled by tariffs on the world market. That is not fair. That needs addressed. For me, Harley Davidson does not make a motorcycle that I want to ride. All the foreign manufactures do.
2018 NINJA 400
https://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/kawasaki-ninja/ke1738.html

[JustAnotherGuyParticipant]

RealityBites wrote:

The Millenials IF they ride bikes….tend to go after cheap Japanese Sport Bikes which are not only vastly cheaper but also vastly outclass Harleys and Indians in terms of Performance and Reliability.

And this is why I personally will only buy Japanese. They’re cheaper, they’re superior. I flipped my Suzuki and ended up in the hospital, and the damn thing continued to perform.

Cupcakes are Cold. MGTOW is Absolute Zero.
“Let us wait a little; when your enemy is executing a false movement, never interrupt him” –Napoleon Bonaparte, 1805

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