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This question I know is going to make me sound like a real dick, but I just gotta ask.
All you guys going through these horrible, messy divorces, did you not realise before you got married that there was a very good chance that this is how your marriage(s) would end?
How did you somehow reconcile in your own mind that marriage was a justifiable risk? What exactly were you thinking???
This question I know is going to make me sound like a real dick, but I just gotta ask.
All you guys going through these horrible, messy divorces, did you not realise before you got married that there was a very good chance that this is how your marriage(s) would end?
How did you somehow reconcile in your own mind that marriage was a justifiable risk? What exactly were you thinking???
Most of the men didn’t have the knowledge that we now have when they got married, I understand were you are coming from but it’s all in the perspective and the moment of time we live and grow up in. Fewer young men are marrying because of the difficulties of the previous generation. I always feel a debt is owed to the divorced men here, they save lives.
"what a waste of a life, to marry, give up your freedom, just for the hope of not dying alone. Don't get married Son."
This question I know is going to make me sound like a real dick, but I just gotta ask.
All you guys going through these horrible, messy divorces, did you not realise before you got married that there was a very good chance that this is how your marriage(s) would end?
How did you somehow reconcile in your own mind that marriage was a justifiable risk? What exactly were you thinking???
This is a valid and good question. One I have pondered. In my own case I was familiar with the 50% end in divorce statistic and it was a concern. I was not aware of how overwhelmingly biased the system is against men, and I suspect most men are not until they are confronted with it.
The 50% divorce rate was a concern. So I familiarized myself with things I thought would make for a successful relationship. Things I learned.
1. Waiting until at least 28 before marrying increased marriage success chances (so I did).
2. Dating for at least 3 years before marrying increased marriage success chances (so I did).
3. Not living together before marrying increased marriage success chances (here I f~~~ed up – but thought it was kind of a minor concern because the relationship seemed fine).
4. I was very open in communication about what I wanted and what I brought to the table including my weaknesses such as a history of severe illness and depression along with family history. I’ll never forget she looked me in the eye and said “I can handle it” (as I mentioned before later she said when she had an affair and wanted a divorce that the depression was the reason and she could no longer put up with it).She was ultimately most likely NPD and she had me utterly convinced she was a NAWALT. Made me feel like nobody ever had. I was special, what we had was special.
So ultimately, this is how I fell into the trap. A combination of these things along with what we are conditioned by society to believe – that the ‘fairer sex’ is sweet an honest and trustworthy (sugar and spice and everything nice). I suspect many, many other men have very similar stories.
So ultimately, this is how I fell into the trap. A combination of these things along with what we are conditioned by society to believe – that the ‘fairer sex’ is sweet an honest and trustworthy (sugar and spice and everything nice). I suspect many, many other men have very similar stories.
This underscores something that I have come to realise over many years. Our society seems to be based, in many respects, on pure bulls~~~. Studying bulls~~~ in its various forms has I guess sorta become a hobby of mine.
For some reason, we tend to believe things to be true that obviously aren’t true when examined honestly and rationally. I really think that the only reason is because we want them to be true.
People willingly buy into the bulls~~~ rather than acknowledge the reality because the bulls~~~ is quite often more appealing.
And I don’t see this aspect of human nature ever changing…
So ultimately, this is how I fell into the trap. A combination of these things along with what we are conditioned by society to believe – that the ‘fairer sex’ is sweet an honest and trustworthy (sugar and spice and everything nice). I suspect many, many other men have very similar stories.
This underscores something that I have come to realise over many years. Our society seems to be based, in many respects, on pure bulls~~~. Studying bulls~~~ in its various forms has I guess sorta become a hobby of mine.
For some reason, we tend to believe things to be true that obviously aren’t true when examined honestly and rationally. I really think that the only reason is because we want them to be true.
People willingly buy into the bulls~~~ rather than acknowledge the reality because the bulls~~~ is quite often more appealing.
And I don’t see this aspect of human nature ever changing…
Oh I think you’re absolutely correct. As I’ve said before I’m almost ashamed to admit that sometimes I still find that part of myself longing for that unconditional love and acceptance and companionship that we were raised to believe in. Part of me desperately wants to believe in it, even after the hell I’ve been through. But the rational (red pilled) part of me brings me back now and I hear that voice in me from deep down reminding me “It isn’t real, Jack.”
Such a bitter pill to swallow. I know it was for all of us.
But by human nature we are susceptible to being trapped by what we want to believe in, our own point of view and getting lost in paradigms. If anything I think by being MGTOW and being able to process the Red Pill means that we at least have some higher awareness of these things. We consider them. I do feel really bad for a lot of the guys still lost in the Matrix.
As I’ve said before I’m almost ashamed to admit that sometimes I still find that part of myself longing for that unconditional love and acceptance and companionship that we were raised to believe in. Part of me desperately wants to believe in it, even after the hell I’ve been through. But the rational (red pilled) part of me brings me back now and I hear that voice in me from deep down reminding me “It isn’t real, Jack.”
Thats a “checkmate” for a conniving c~~~, detox those purple pills man and swallow the reds or you are leaving yourself exposed to be f~~~ over! Women need men to have these silly love fallacies in order to extract their souls and resources. Dude its just a meat hole that gives you a 20 minute high and then its over. The only true love you can get is from a dog.
Never lose sight of what brought you here.
The only true love you can get is from a dog.
That’s not necessarily true either. My last dog dumped me for the first Chad to show up with a new box of ‘MilkBones’. 🙁
She was a real bitch…
Unfortunately, I can say from experience this may not be good advice. I have suffered from clinical depression since I was a teenager and it didn’t get me s~~~. Basically when I brought up the fact that I was devastated and suicidal the state psychologists ruled I could get a less stressful job but I was still obligated for the same amount of child support. Your state attorney general’s office is no friend to you, I assure you.
Then get that attestation, and if the court forces you, then go to jail… Punish the system.
Imagine if all men would refuse to pay for the ex-c~~~? How many cells would they have to build? What would it cost and when will the media draw attention to it?
Breaking East Germany was built on civil disobedience. People were so fed up with the system that they finally gathered the guts to break it. And the opposite side was armed with guns. But: Shooting down 1000’s of protesters would have driven the eastern block into total isolation… But they needed the money and commodities from the west…
Remember, if ALL would refuse… Or such a high percentage of men would “make the c~~~ such extreme problems” that one day even thinking of getting married for the sake of getting provided for will become a scary thought for every woman…
Only as long as men behave like sheep lead to the slaughter, women will take advantage of them.
If all men became “no longer mama’s good boy” then c~~~s would “think over” any crooked thing they do.
Of course, they would get alimony but the court battle will destroy them by endlessly hacking into their borderline and narcissistic personalities. And women would start to avoid that.
We have to “man up” in psychological knowledge and learn how to destroy them. Of course they are manipulative but what is it good for if a man sees right through it and calls them out on it?
I always call that “late-child-disciplining”: I do what parents forgot to do. Call the c~~~ out on her bulls~~~ and make her accountable.
“Why” is one of the favorite (intimidating) words that women use all the time. Use it on them, and they will explode… And then keep using it… Endlessly.
We have to “man up” in stubbornness, endurance and treating women they way they treat us.
At the end of the day, marriage will be seen by them as their downfall. And they will no longer want it. Because: Even if they get alimony, it will be more dramatic and require more effort than going to work from 9-to-5.
We men make it too easy for them to rape us.
I always told c~~~s that it would never be easy to do this with me and that “they can’t keep me in jail forever”…
Women hate to be exposed. So documenting their lies and posting them “out to the world” – will make them fall off the pedestal. Most men really have too many second thoughts and social graces to do this with an abusive c~~~.
We need to “man up” in breaking these numbing social graces and give women what they deserve.
In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim
Anonymous1People are stupid. They believe things mainly because they either want them to be true or fear them to be true. (Wizard’s First Rule)
… But men at that state of mind would not get married in the first place.
Women pick easy targets. Well “educated” and mama obedient “good boys” are invited for marriage.
Once a woman sees that you know all about this game, then her legs close from one day to the next like the door of an atomic bunker.
Every thing “nice” she said about you and “how much she loves you” is suddenly forgotten.
That’s why I’m writing this here: Brothers that didn’t marry yet and are thinking about or get pressured about “jumping in” should really try this at home.
Tell the “loved one” how much you know about “the game” and sex will likely be over from one moment to the next.
And I can assure you what she’s going to say as “standard shaming” s~~~:
“I see you are a waste of time”…
And that will come after you spend 1000’s of bucks on her vacations, do all kinds of (expensive) leisure activities with her…
You, the smart man with everything going for him is suddenly a “waste of her time”… digest that…
That means she will now stop pretending for you because she sees that you are not paving her the way to a life-long free meal ticket.
It isn’t about you. Anything about you is suddenly no longer a reason to be with you. It’s only your (withdrawn) meal ticket. And she will get up and leave.
So it happened often enough with me. I was a “waste of time”, they even start to regret the first little talk the had with me.
Women are so selfish they only do something when they get something of it. They run on the “instant gratification” and the “what’s in it for ME” software.
In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim
Imagine if all men would refuse to pay for the ex-c~~~? How many cells would they have to build? What would it cost and when will the media draw attention to it?
Breaking East Germany was built on civil disobedience. People were so fed up with the system that they finally gathered the guts to break it. And the opposite side was armed with guns. But: Shooting down 1000’s of protesters would have driven the eastern block into total isolation… But they needed the money and commodities from the west…
Remember, if ALL would refuse… Or such a high percentage of men would “make the c~~~ such extreme problems” that one day even thinking of getting married for the sake of getting provided for will become a scary thought for every woman…
But what about the mangina factor? What do we do about them? What about a country like Canada that’s actually ruled by a retarded mangina with a mangina controlled MSM???
So ultimately, this is how I fell into the trap. A combination of these things along with what we are conditioned by society to believe – that the ‘fairer sex’ is sweet an honest and trustworthy (sugar and spice and everything nice). I suspect many, many other men have very similar stories.
This underscores something that I have come to realise over many years. Our society seems to be based, in many respects, on pure bulls~~~. Studying bulls~~~ in its various forms has I guess sorta become a hobby of mine.
For some reason, we tend to believe things to be true that obviously aren’t true when examined honestly and rationally. I really think that the only reason is because we want them to be true.
People willingly buy into the bulls~~~ rather than acknowledge the reality because the bulls~~~ is quite often more appealing.
And I don’t see this aspect of human nature ever changing…
Oh I think you’re absolutely correct. As I’ve said before I’m almost ashamed to admit that sometimes I still find that part of myself longing for that unconditional love and acceptance and companionship that we were raised to believe in. Part of me desperately wants to believe in it, even after the hell I’ve been through. But the rational (red pilled) part of me brings me back now and I hear that voice in me from deep down reminding me “It isn’t real, Jack.”
Such a bitter pill to swallow. I know it was for all of us.
But by human nature we are susceptible to being trapped by what we want to believe in, our own point of view and getting lost in paradigms. If anything I think by being MGTOW and being able to process the Red Pill means that we at least have some higher awareness of these things. We consider them. I do feel really bad for a lot of the guys still lost in the Matrix.
Don’t feel sad for the guys trapped in the matrix, if they’re anything like my friends, they will fight us tooth and nail defending themselves saying that somehow we the MGTOW are some type of f~~~ed up women hating losers. F~~~’em theyre c~~~s too.
Looking in the eyes is the key…there is no joy there regardless of what they may say out of habit or compulsion.
They are dead.
For those who remember my former posts, I continue my walk through hell also known as divorce.
Every day a trial, another punch to the stomach, another hit across the face. I dread opening my mail or email. There are always more demands, more bills from the lawyer more things that “might” happen to further ruin me. After months of living in limbo I just received a court date for mediation. Now I am to spend days filling out reports of why we can’t come to an agreement and why mediation is necessary and what items we can’t agree on. This after countless hours of answering other interrogatories. They force you to relive it over and over. Day and night it is always there, you are always in “fight mode” trying to think of another angle or example you might be able to use in the court battle. It is absolutely exhausting.
Unable to gain any peace, any resolution, or even any brief relief from the endless emotional and mental turmoil the nightmares now continue when I try to sleep. I find myself staying up far too late, afraid of what awaits me in my dreams.
You live in a constant state of loss. Every week having to sell another source of happiness that I worked so long and hard to pay for, now turned into pennies on the dollar that I must give to her. While she is as close to an example of Satan as I have ever met in human form, the government that allows…no…. FORCES this upon a man is surely ultimate evil personified. The government and law makes slaves of all men. Alas I am too weak and beaten down now to fight either.
I used to think that just surviving would be victory. Now I wonder if there is even a point to surviving. Stripped of everything, with only a few years left of life, encased with sickness and disease from the unrelenting stress of this darkness and yet compelled by this evil empire to labor on for HER until my breath stops….what is the point of surviving?
In the depths of my soul I have began to seriously wonder if this planet is not truly hell and that perhaps I did something in a former life, a former time, or perhaps a former dimension that resulted in my banishment to this existence.
It’s like I wrote this….
Brother, I’m sorry. I know your not looking for me to say I feel bad, but I can’t give you advice, because you already know all the ins and outs of your life, and if you feel like this, then there is good reason.
Best I can say is what I tell myself….
Not my debt, my job, my hobbies, my friends, my ex, my marriage, and not even my kids define who I am.
I’m still the same kid that played video games, that went fishing, that enjoyed vulgar jokes, and I need to do a much better job at refocusing on what makes me ME, and not be so hung up on what’s happened or how I can change something that will never change.
Good luck my friend.
Shit tested, Brother approved.
Anonymous0I’ve heard that one happily married man has been discovered. He’s being kept in a cage in the Smithsonian right next to the picture of a tornado missing a trailer park.
Looking in the eyes is the key…there is no joy there regardless of what they may say out of habit or compulsion.
They are dead.
Absolutely, next time you are shopping look out for the man loading his screaming kids into his SUV while his ugly, fat wife puts her shopping in the boot (that he paid for). They all have that “how the f~~~ did this happen” look on their faces, at first they were having porn star sex with a hottie and then one day they woke up to this.
They then bend over backwards to keep her happy but nobody respects a doormat so the wife wants the gina tingles again, gets back on the carousel and divorce rapes the husband.
Once they have had a couple of years on the party carousel they look for the next victim then rinse and repeat.
My ex wife is currently at this stage, she found a new wallet and for some reason he has asked her to marry him. He has only just divorced his first wife so I have no sympathy for him.
I suspect in five years he will get the “I love you, I am just not in love with you” speech while she gets back on the Facebook c~~~ carousel before her looks abandon her forever.
There is I suspect a tiny percentage of happily married men, the rest are so deeply immersed in the matrix that they don’t understand what is going on. No sex, no money and trying to keep a nagging bitch happy for an easier life. You know the pacing lions you see that have been driven mad by captivity, that is the same look as a married man.
For women, everything eventually boils down to Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.
But what about the mangina factor? What do we do about them? What about a country like Canada that’s actually ruled by a retarded mangina with a mangina controlled MSM???
“Closed user group” forums like this are the workaround to the Mangina problem.
But eventually everyone of us was once raised and educated to become an obedient pussy begging “little tool” driven into false decisions by social pressure (aka “mama’s opinion”)…
Until the “woman related pain” got so big that it triggered the awakening. At one point, any man will wake up to his life having been transformed into s~~~ by his c~~~ and see that he is only existing to get her approval. One day the pain will get so big that more and more men will become indifferent to the only weapon(s) women have:
– Sex and withholding it…
– Social shamingWomen and their shameless (aka “strong and empowered”) elbow pushing behavior are currently working on destroying these last 2 jokers they have in their deck of cards…
Manginas and white knights are getting less…
Wait a few years. The internet now takes nasty things that women do VIRAL, which we wouldn’t have even dared to tell our friends back in the 80’s… No one would have believed us.
A “mangina” is only one divorce rape away from that awakening…
And if not: You can’t cure everybody. Men are sometimes too programmed to see what’s in front of their eyes. The denial mechanism we were programmed with is very strong.
That’s why, for some men it takes “living under the bridge” from “C~~~ Related Hardship” to wake up and stay away from his next mistake.I know that one of the greatest manginas ever to walk the face of the earth is now reading my posts here and saying to me “you are right”… A while ago, his second divorce cost him everything… And he seems healed.
He admits that his mostly ugly women even sucked up 6000 Euros a month net (!) income which is a lot in Germany… And he got no credit for it. She treated him like s~~~…
Today, he now does not shame me anymore for avoiding c~~~s.
I see this as a template for the future of MGTOW. Manginas will one day stop to shame us for speaking the truth about women. This can happen overnight.
Here in Germany, the ruins Merkel left behind fuel that revolution like gasoline in fire.
More and more men you meet on the streets will openly admit – holding their hands over their mouths: “Because she is a c~~~”…
In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim
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