Goddammit

[KeymasterKeymaster]

These kinds of emails are coming in more often. We still get triumphant ones, with thanks and positive outlooks, and well wishes from our visitors and they outnumber the tragic ones, but this one was tough to read:

From: B—— L——-
Subject: Contact
Phone or Mobile: xxx-xxx-xxxx

Message:

I need help, im being abused and stuck here. If i try anything shes threatened to lock me up. And here ill die in jail for her lies. She uses our daugther all the time against me and our daugther is tired of the abuse and wants to leave with me back to the states. I need help readapting to socity and taking care of my daugther. I havent had a job in 3-4 years cause of the discrimination and the lies of the girl im with. Please i need help badly. And your my last hope. Because here in PR i have no rights and need help. Please help me, i filed ley 54 on her and her friend stopped it, i went to dcf to get help she refused it. And again just last week i tried another group to help familys and they turned to her side not mine when im the only one seeking help. I keep getting labeled as an abuser and its not me. Its her, please i dont know where else to turn to. Thank you.

Page origin: Contact »
Post ID: 2
IP Address: xx.xxx.xxx.xxx
Date: 2015-08-23
Time: 6:13 PM
Browser: ——–

Last week (or 2 weeks ago), a guy in an almost identical situation signed up here and told his story – attaching a youtube recording of he and his abusive girlfriend in conversation. “He loves his babies” he said about the daughters …. and he came to us in desperation. We learned they weren’t his kids ( we found this out after the fact that hew knew it too)….. and he’s staying there taking abuse from her for 7+ years because he didn’t have the sack to leave. The kids aren’t even yours!!! She pins you into fatherhood with children that aren’t yours, mistreats you for 7+ years and you think anyone else can help you???

For christ’s sake, men. If you are in ANY kind of a relationship with a female that isn’t loving or kind to you – get the f~~~ out NOW. If you’re with a bitch, LEAVE. Dump her. RIGHT NOW. “My marriage isn’t that bad sometimes” is not an acceptable statement. GET OUT. Stop tolerating f~~~ing controlling bitches.

See this book? “Why men love bitches”
http://www.amazon.com/Why-Men-Love-Bitches-Relationship/dp/1580627560

How about this one “Why men MARRY bitches”
http://www.amazon.com/Why-Men-Marry-Bitches-Winning/dp/074327637X

Those are manuals by women – written for other women – on how to be a f~~~ing C~~~.
You have the ability to turn them into liars, because *Men* don’t love bitches. Only fools love bitches.

Don’t even think about another day with a bitch. NOBODY can help you if you won’t dump that bitch. Eat maggots out of the gutter before you put up with any s~~~ like this. Goddammit I hate that we can’t do anything else for these guys. But it starts with you. Don’t f~~~ing put up with a bitch. LEAVE NOW.

• You know a bitch? Stop talking to her.
• You live with one? LEAVE.
• Your girlfriend’s a bitch? Wife nags you about stupid s~~~? Work with one? Starting today, she doesn’t exist.
• You married one? Laugh in her face. Get in your car. Drive until you don’;t recognize the scenery anymore and let her think you’re dead. Whatever you gotta do so you don’t ever write an email like the one above.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Does anyone have a good source for stealth audio recorders? Also video if possible.

Clearly this man needs one, as do so many other cases like his, to cut through female lies and accurately and undeniably document his situation. I don’t now how easy it is for him to do so, but it seems to me he needs to first build up an archive of documentation on her abuse and lies. This means recorded conversations, photographs of any injuries she inflicts, full financial records, everything. Then he needs to get his ass and his daughter on the first boat or airplane back to the states, and immediately get in touch with a good custody and immigration attorney. Can we help him with that as well? Then, once he has all his ducks in a row, he needs to go to the authorities and apply for custody / asylum / whatever.

It’ll be hard, but can it possibly be worse than what he’s going through now?

If I knew about spy recorders or attorneys or any of that I’d send them his way, but I unfortunately don’t. Which makes me think maybe I should, just in case, because you never know… false rape accusations and all that. Maybe we need a “MGTOW Approved” Document Female Lies spy camera product line.

I’d mail him a spy camera if I knew where to get one and how to get it to him without his bitch wife intercepting it.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

Men who accept abuse are complicit in their situation. There’s the door. Use it. Children belong to their mothers, get used to it. I will not molly coddle a sub who likes being abused.

Walk out the f~~~ing door. Don’t look back.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

He just got back to us again. He’s in Puerto Rico. He was clear he wasn’t asking for money or anything, but mostly guidance, advice and support – and a lawyer or someone to legally be in his corner. I suggested he try AVFM (or some such entity) and explained the difference between MRAs and MGTOW is the MGTOW will assume his own agency and never even PERMIT himself to be in a situation like this.

I have forwarded Sidecar’s reply to him too.

(thanks)

Puffin Stuff wrote:

Men who accept abuse are complicit in their situation. There’s the door. Use it.

Exactly what I told him.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Keymaster wrote:

I have forwarded Sidecar’s reply to him too.

(thanks)

No problem. I just wish I could actually help more. As I said in another thread, I know how to stay out of no-win situations but I don’t know a damn thing about getting out of a no-win situation once in.

And I’m only half joking about MGTOW Brand™ False Rape Accusation Avoidance Recorders. A video of her riding you reverse cowgirl screaming “yes Yes YES!” to the heavens is worth a thousand consent documenting apps.

[Anonymous 1]

I can’t help but feel sorry for these guys. This is one of the things about red pill knowledge: is knowing that once you get into that marriage contract, or allow yourself to be on this situation, there will be HELL TO PAY for you to get out. If there was a way to get out with yout without having to go through all the ordeal that it implies, MRA’s would be exploiting the hell out of it. But there isn’t. Preventtion is the only way to avoid being caught.

I wish I could something, but there isn’t. Is like watching an accident in slow motion: I feel for the victims, but there is no way I can stop the bodies that are in motion by myself. And the ones the COULD do something, don’t. So my hands are tied.

Here is wishing this guy finds a way out of this mess.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Anonymous wrote:

I can’t help but feel sorry for these guys.

Then you’re a better man than me, because I need to SEARCH for a reason to feel sorry for them. I somehow still manage to. But I don’t know where it comes from and it sure isn’t easy. My logic brain takes over completely.

Consider this:

How much does a woman have to HATE you (him)…. to work that hard to make your *relationship* with her equal to hell on Earth – for 3-4 YEARS.

?

How do you even let it GET there? If she doesn’t love you, that’s already grounds enough for getting the f~~~ out. But when she obviously hates your f~~~ing guts….. what the f~~~ are you still doing breathing the same air with her for 4 years?

I once dumped a girlfriend of 2 years JUST because she wanted another gift instead of the one I gave her.
Never mind “abusing” me. I got the f~~~ out based on that alone.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 25]

Well said Keymaster. Men in situations like that the ONLY solution is to run. Grab your wallet, keys and passports and run as fast as you can in the opposite direction. To those men, you need to run and run fast. Stop putting it off and run NOW this second this instant, before she puts you in jail or attacks you with a weapon. I got lucky because I was recording. But I wish I had run two years earlier like I had wanted to do. DO NOT listen to anyone else like friends and family. Listen to mgtow, they are telling you the truth. RUN RUN RUN for your life IMMEDIATELY.

[Anonymous 29]

Like in most abusive relations~~~s, there are two overwhelming factors that influence the abused person.
Fear and hope.

Fear has many faces, loss of children, home, face, identity and so on. You know the drill so I’ll not harp on about it.

Hope is probably the most dangerous because it makes the abused stay in the situation far longer than they should and the longer you stay in it the more abuse you will suffer.

If you fear, GET DA F~~~ OUT and if you hope for too long but nothing changes, GET DA F~~~ OUT.

Again, like KM I have little tolerance for people who take too f~~~ing long to make a simple rational decision to free themselves. I just don’t f~~~ing get it.

[The_reality_factorParticipant 211]

I’m going to be very cold and hard here:

It is not his partner’s issue and problems that are causing him massive pain and drama, but his own psychological issues.

Make a clear decision, get out and make your life better.

He is the issue not her, don’t blame her, he should blame himself. There are going to be causalities in a break up and yes, kids suffer. However, does this mean a man suffers for a lifetime for the sake of others ?

Learned helplessness : Is a behaviour in which an organism forced to endure aversive, painful or otherwise unpleasant stimuli, becomes unable or unwilling to avoid subsequent encounters with those stimuli, even if they are escapable.

[RoyDalParticipant]

I completely agree with the “get out now” school of thought. We — ourselves and no one else — are the only ones responsible for our thoughts and feelings. Indeed, our internal state of mind is the only thing we really do have control over.

All psychological suffering is self-inflicted. All repetitive failed behavior is voluntary.

I will admit that someone who is up to his ass in alligators cannot be blamed if he forgets he came to drain the swamp. I am saying the metaphorical alligators are external forces over which he has no control, and his memory is what he really is in charge of.

So, haul your ass out of the swamp and leave the alligators to fend for themselves.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

We need a register of mgtow that die …. maybe a recording or such. A record of their ‘frame’

Then on their passing …. with beer and jokes …. in my case I would hope detrimental ones …. that info/frame/personality could be selected and given to such email producers.

Take it, learn that frame and slip out of your chains and in to a slightly used but more robust self.

After all, if we were right there beside him, that’s what we’d be doing for him.

I offer mine at zero charge on my death. However, a donation to mens cancer or male shelter would be nice.

[LonerBonerParticipant 358]

Puffin Stuff wrote:

Men who accept abuse are complicit in their situation. There’s the door. Use it. Children belong to their mothers, get used to it. I will not molly coddle a sub who likes being abused.

Walk out the f~~~ing door. Don’t look back.

Agreed, I have my kids biweekly, if she makes to much trouble about it and start f~~~ing s~~~ up in my life over this ill bail, after i informed the kids whos fault it is.

Look me up when your older, bye!

Keep clam i'm dyslexic.

[Jon the Ex-SquidParticipant 298]

Yeah pretty much the same advice I’d offer. I don’t feel bad for the guy but I do feel bad for the kid. At least its a daughter. I’d feel even worse if he had a son.

I’d suggest he just leave and try to find some legal help in the US once he’s here. If he can’t prove abuse, then at least he can start to rebuild a stable life for when his daughter hits 18 and can leave on her own, assuming the wife hasn’t poisoned the child against him.

Might be best for him to relocate to a “Sanctuary City” so they won’t deport him if she gets a child support settlement and he’s behind (they’d revoke his passport).

What a mess people wallow in before asking for help.

[Anonymous 11]

Anonymous wrote:

Hope is probably the most dangerous because it makes the abused stay in the situation far longer than they should and the longer you stay in it the more abuse you will suffer.

Abusers are expert manipulators even male abusers have manipulation ability on par with women. They will cycle between hope and abuse forever keeping the victim off balance. She uses hope as a carrot when she feels her power slipping away . An abuser needs her victim.

“I’m going to make her change”. Yeah and monkeys will fly out of my ass.

I walked away from a realtions~~~ when she began to get abusive. Slowly and imperceptibly she ramped it up until she tried to force me into the role of her cuckold. I was done with her at that point. It took a lot of effort on my part to stick to my guns. She periodically would stalk me for a little over two years. I always sent her packing.

I can understand why these guys backslide as you have to become one cold mother f~~~er. God damn all abusers. I hate them all.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

“Abuser” , “abused”, we didn’t even have language for that 40 years ago what a bunch of bulls~~~. That was invented by feminists to dominate interpersonal relationships.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[Anonymous 25]

@sidecar

In answer to your question about digital voice recorders, this is the one I use and it has been very good and reliable:

Just keep it in your pocket. Batteries last ages and with a good size memory card you can record for ages. Just back it up to cloud storage regularly.

I’ve also used this (whilst the video is quite good quality the camera is not wide angle enough and usually doesnt catch what you’re trying to point it at):

[QcummerParticipant 652]

need links Machi 😉

[Anonymous 25]

@qcummer

Not sure what happened there, the links were included in my post but disappeared somehow. See if they work this time:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-ICDPX333-CE7-Digital-Voice-Recorder/dp/B00BOK931C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1440424390&sr=8-1&keywords=digital+voice+recorder

and

http://www.amazon.co.uk/SPY-CAMERA-HIDDEN-CAR-KEY/dp/B004APVJLA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1440424470&sr=8-1&keywords=key+fob+recorder

[Anonymous 25]

For those who have children and are stuck in a situation with a crazy partner, I know what a dilemma it can be to have to run and leave the child in that situation. To the men in that situation, speaking from experience I would say this.

When you are on a aeroplane and they give the safety information they tell you that if there is an emergency the oxygen masks will drop. They tell you that you need to put on your own oxygen mask before seeing to your child. You are no good to your child if are not available to see to their safety (whether through being locked up from false allegation or stabbed in your sleep).. See to yourself first. Once you have your own safety sorted then you can see to your child’s safety. RUN. THEN SEE TO THE CHILD LATER.

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