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MG-Tower: no worries. Soulman must have had mexican food tonight. S~~~, I can smell his fart all the way from Dallas. Damn.
MG-Tower: no worries. Soulman must have had mexican food tonight. S~~~, I can smell his fart all the way from Dallas. Damn.
Nah…it’s the post-workout protein supplement. I was slinging iron at the gym earlier today. A lot of the time I’m brewin’ and spewin’ exhaust fumes before I leave the gym! I always try to drop a few bombs around the little princesses in their spandex workout get-ups. LOL!
HISTORY...learn from it, memorize it, DON'T repeat it...@Soulman: sorry I missed your post bro. Board is VERY slow tonight. C U tomorrow. bro.
Anonymous42@ Soulman, I’m farthing like crazy, about 5 farts for every inch of SNOW! My road is starting to look like a hallway, I can’t see other vehicles over the SNOWbanks, soon trucks will be invisible. I’ll need to cool my asshole in a bucket of ice every 5 minutes! It concerns me running the SNOWblower in close proximity to so much methane gas, ignition would result in clearing the entire area of all SNOW, SNOWblower, and me! and break all my windows! Good thing the prevailing winds will carry it over the North Atlantic. Look out my brothers in Novascotia, New Finland, Iceland, and yea, you guys in Great Brittan too, You aren’t escaping this one! What can I tell you? Sorry! hold your breath a while, it’s supposed to SNOW all week!
Better watch out MG-Tower…some feminazi-greenie-SJW will be pointing fingers at your evil misogynistic gas and accusing you of causing famine and drought in a third-world country. You are a privileged white male. It IS your fault that flies are buzzing around some kid’s head in Africa! Bad man! Bad…
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Anonymous42”accusing you of causing famine and drought in a third-world country”
Liberal states like mine, and all the others around me, are a third world country, you can’t tell the difference,from the corrupt politics, to the deteriorating conditions! I think were going down second, just behind places like Destroit, Flint(Splint), and other places like Gary(scary) Indiana. Springfield Massachusetts is a burning ember compared to its former glory, the whole pioneer valley is becoming a living hell! things have changed for worse!
I need a television to relax my paranoia, the news is wonderful, it’s a joyous occasion, a jubilee! The news (all channels) is uplifting and inspiring! Can I go for a ride in one of Hitlers “happy-trucks”, you know, the kind that doesn’t have an exhaust pipe!
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“accusing you of causing famine and drought in a third-world country”Liberal states like mine, and all the others around me, are a third world country, you can’t tell the difference,from the corrupt politics, to the deteriorating conditions! I think were going down second, just behind places like Destroit, Flint(Splint), and other places like Gary(scary) Indiana. Springfield Massachusetts is a burning ember compared to its former glory, the whole pioneer valley is becoming a living hell! things have changed for worse! I need a television to relax my paranoia, the news is wonderful, it’s a joyous occasion, a jubilee! The news (all channels) is uplifting and inspiring! Can I go for a ride in one of Hitlers “happy-trucks”, you know, the kind that doesn’t have an exhaust pipe!
Go west young man! Well, just don’t go too far west or you’ll run in to the left coast. The air is clear. People are pretty self-sufficient and liberals are mostly marginalized.
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Anonymous42Hey Soul Man, I hear you, this country has two meat curtains, I live on one, and California is the other, it has a rusty WW-1 helmet on top, and you live in the juicy hole in the middle! move over I’m cummin!
doc I can and have before hired a helper to mix mortor and carry stone for me. We agreed before hand on his compensation. If that helper found someone else to do the work for less so he could sit in the shade and drink iced tea or not even show up I would not go for it. My loyalty is with the man sweating in the hot sun beside me. value for value you said. I believe middlemen who place themselves between the people needing services done and those actually performing said services are providing no Value to anyone but themselves. I believe they have the right to do this but I also believe I have the right not to deal with said parasites. And I cant make my living being that parasite and keep my dignity. thats what I meant when I said: I can’t take a cut from my fellow mans labor. This is also why my craigslist adds always say principals only meaning I will not deal with head hunters, or recruiters, or staffing agencies.
I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.
doc I can and have before hired a helper to mix mortor and carry stone for me. We agreed before hand on his compensation. If that helper found someone else to do the work for less so he could sit in the shade and drink iced tea or not even show up I would not go for it. My loyalty is with the man sweating in the hot sun beside me. value for value you said. I believe middlemen who place themselves between the people needing services done and those actually performing said services are providing no Value to anyone but themselves. I believe they have the right to do this but I also believe I have the right not to deal with said parasites. And I cant make my living being that parasite and keep my dignity. thats what I meant when I said: I can’t take a cut from my fellow mans labor. This is also why my craigslist adds always say principals only meaning I will not deal with head hunters, or recruiters, or staffing agencies.
You draw in interesting distinction between right/wrong versus righteous. Is it wrong for a middle man to subcontract out his labor? Not necessarily. Is it in the spirit in which you hired him? Not necessarily, either. And there’s the factor of functionality. Is it wrong for a country to take in refugees from the third world to try to help those less fortunate? Well, it sounds nice, till there’s so many of them that they disrupt the economic balance of those of us already established here. So, right or wrong, it’s not functional.
Whimmin entering the workforce wasn’t “wrong” in that it was immoral, theoretically, if we’re talking about an individual who is a free agent and has the right to do with their labor as they wish. Putting aside all the obvious additional factors of the fact that they had a work force to enter because of the efforts of men, the point here is that while it may not be morally wrong, it’s not a “right” or working or functional system: whimmin end up overstressed, childless and miserable; men are displaced; the relationship between the two is fractured as they see one another as economic competitors rather than complementary partners. Whether that’s right or wrong, strictly morally speaking, the fact of the matter is it doesn’t work and isn’t sustainable.
And of course this is why a political/economic discussion can go on forever. Everyone is trying to find “what works” as well as “what is right”. Pure free markets might be “right” (theoretically; not advocating or denying it, just making an example), but don’t necessarily “work.” The social justice warriors argue pure communism “works” to bring about pure equality, but Nature does not create all men equal, so ensuring unequal contributions always net equal rewards is not “right.”
This of course is where we mgtow make the most impact. Is it “right” that we’re “turning our backs on society” as some claim? I would argue “yes”, for a number of reasons that I can’t go into here, but the one I can is that whimmin have become spoiled children. Assuming it’s not their fault, because that’s as “nice” as we can be, and of course the highest calling of anyone is to be “nice” according to the Marxist/feminist controllers, the problem still remains. If you take in a foster child who is spoiled, you still need to discipline him so he doesn’t grow up to be a worthless piece of s~~~ mangina who holds up “I don’t need feminism” signs and orders cinnamon lattes because his girlfriend suggested it. Regardless of who made him that way, it’s not going to “work” if you don’t do some discipline. Well, we’re doing the discipline. Men have become the playthings of whimmin; we’re taking the toys away for a while and let them think about what they’ve done. When they can learn to play nice, they can play with penises again. Until then, it’s strap-ons and lesbianism, ladies.
Same with economics. It’s the spirit in which the game is played. Competition brings out creativity, and that’s when we’re at our best. But we also need to have a higher set of ideals if we’re to build any kind of civilization worth contributing to. That’s the bottom line, to me. Is this or that principle/behavior/ethic something that any man can get on board with, from the line worker to the CEO? Wealth brings power in any economic system, but does not necessarily carry with it any responsibility. Much like spoiled whimmin, those who have made their fortune at the expense of others (not all wealthy people; many do indeed invest in their employees, and I’ve worked for some, myself) are going to have to do without some of us mgtow until they can learn to behave according to some standards of decency. Until then, they can have all their whimmin and mishmash wholesale immigration to get the bottom labor dollar, and we’ll see how that hodgepodge of cultures and work ethics serves to keep a first world western civilization running on its tracks.
My bet is it goes off the rails. Right or wrong, at the end of the day, I simply don’t think it will “work.”
Back when I was doing freelance development projects, a colleague of mine was tapped for a job that he could not do and so offered it to me for a percentage of the deal. I accepted that offer on the grounds that I would not and could not have gotten that gig without his introduction, referral and customer relationship support and that I would rather have 80% of a $72,000 a year gig than 100% of f~~~-all.
He accepted payment through his existing relationship with the client (a large bank) and paid me my share as 1099 non-employee compensation through his business then pocketed the other 20% for his troubles and associated risks of recommending me based on his reputation. I did the work and interacted with the client’s development team… and all three parties were more than satisfied.
After having worked on this project and closely with the client for a year, I approached him and asked to have the whole pie on the grounds that I now had a working relationship and had earned a reputation with the client and could manage that relationship on my own. He accepted my offer for the price of a few beers and so I “bought him out of the contract” and, once again, all three parties were more than satisfied.
How does this sound unfair to you?
Sounds fair to me.
My post disappeared but it was clarifying what I meant by can’t take a cut of my fellow mans labor. I hire a helper now and then to mix mortar and cart stones and we agree on compensation. If that helper finds someone else to do the work for less so he can sit in the shade and drink iced tea or not show up at all, I would not let that happen. My loyalty is with the man sweating in the hot sun with me. value for value doc said. Middlemen who would position themselves between the company and the worker provide only value for themselves. although they have the right to do this. I claim the right not to deal with said parasites. This is why my craigslist adds say principles only meaning I will not deal with head hunters, or recruiters, or staffing agencies.
I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.
A similar thing happened to me in the late 80s and most of the 90s – I had to go through a computer staffing agency out of NYC to get the assignments – almost all Fortune 100 corporations required you to come through one of them. It sucked, but through various negotiation techniques I got their cut reduced to 15% and one year, when I knew there would be massive overtime and they didn’t, got them to give me something like 100% of all overtime over 40 hours per week – lol, made a killing. The next year they thought the same would happen when I knew it wouldn’t so I ‘graciously’ negotiated a 10% cut on all of my hours no matter how many – I rarely worked overtime after that! When I moved out of state my company wanted me badly for a project (they let me work from home from another state) and after hearing me say I would not go through that consulting agency any longer forced them out of my contract completely by threatening not to give them any new business, and the next 6 years all the coin was 100% mine. Too bad for those leeches because I worked over 3,200 hours in 1999. In this particular field of mainframe consulting these companies literally provided you with almost no value for their cut, except a lavish Christmas party, and it was always galling to see their sales reps show up in BMWs and nice sports cars. But, I didn’t have to take the jobs if it were so onerous, but in my case even with their cut I made more than almost any employee I worked with even counting their benefits. Back then it all had to do with some IRS rule defining employees, so if you didn’t go through one of these leeching agencies you couldn’t set up a Subchapter S corporation and get the tax benefits.
Which reminds me – F~~~ the IRS, if ever there was a more useless and destructive agency I’ve yet to hear of it. All the hundreds of billions of dollars wasted complying with unfathomable rules that even the IRS cannot explain nor defend nor stand behind even when they tell you on the phone what to do. Massive fraud.
Funny I didn’t notice my post was on the other page Brian your intro may keep on going. this makes me wonder what the record is for longest running introduction.
Where I live there is a fee to use the landfill, but in Oklahoma they have transfer stations with several dumpsters at each. Anyone can use these free because they are not staffed at all just picked up regularly. If someone chose to stop paying for trash pick up they could make one or to trips a week to the transfer station closest to them. Most like the convenience of having it picked up a home.
I have lived in a small camper for up to two years at a time. I didn’t mind at all. Housework becomes less demanding the less house you have. leaving time for more important things like fishing.
I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.
Anonymous42@harpomason, It’s not good to confuse friendship and business, they don’t mix well. As overseer, it’s your duty to view the business a an entity, and look out for it’s best interest.
If president Obama, or some other socialistic parasite, had to work for you for 1 day, would you feel the same way? Or would he get the s~~~tiest job at a cutthroat wage?I think what you are conveying (my opinion) is all the parasitic leaching that is affecting our scene basic fair play. We’re all being leached to some degree or another, and it does not rest well with our moral structure, especially when we see the damage that is relentlessly marching and growing, and devouring all that we have worked for…….
Just getting back to this thread and have to say I am getting the point after rereading it. BP has the drop on em before they call. working smarter not harder or cheaper. My stone-masonry skills are not much use here. I have a small camper stored close by. I may have to find work elsewhere hook it up and go. I hope it don’t come to that. Scrapping metal, swapping and trading and a few small jobs found on craigslist. All that’s keeping a few federal reserve debt notes in my pocket. I have online applications done at 10 places. Would love to find a 2nd or 3rd shift low responsibility job. leaving my days free for my private income pursuits.
Those of us who desire to create our lives as our own recognize that this domination, so essential to the
maintenance of society, is an enemy we must attack. With this understanding, theft and squatting can take on significance as part of an insurgent life project.We cannot buy our lives back, nor can we beg them back. Our lives will only be our own when we steal them back. Here is an essay called “To hell with the economy” seemed fitting what with you guys talking about a scorched earth policy. We can use money to start the flames.For several months now, they’ve been telling us that the economy is in crisis. You know who I mean: the politicians, the media pundits, the economic “experts”. I’m not really sure what they’re talking. As far as I could tell, it’s always in crisis. That seems to be its normal way of operating. And usually that works fine for those up at the top. It’s the rest of us who deal with the consequences
Well, this time it’s a bit different. It seems some of the big boys have taken a plunge, and they’re scared. So out come the politicians and their media cronies calling on “everyone” to sacrifice to save the collapsing economy. Everyone, that is, except the CEOs of the banks and corporations caught in the plunge. For them, it’s bailouts, or as the silver-tongued hero of the hour, Mr. Obama, prefers to put it, “stimulation packages”. After all, in our politically correct era, we need to show some sensitivity to these victims of their own sleazy practices and stupidity…
But, you know, I say, TO HELL WITH THE ECONOMY! I don’t really buy the predictions of those who say it’s on the verge of collapse. An economy in which crisis is the normal way of functioning doesn’t fall quite that easily But when you see the big boys running scared, you know that it’s tottering like a dizzy drunk who has had one too many… And that, my friends, is the time to push. Because it ain’t gonna fall if it ain’t pushed.
But why would I want it to fall? Because I, for one, am sick and tired of the involuntary sacrifices it imposes on me daily, having to pay in time and money just to get by… And now Obama has the audacity to ask me to voluntarily sacrifice because some big shots screwed up? Not a chance!
Think about it: the politicians and the pundits tell us that this economy is “free enterprise”. But tell me, where’s the freedom when nothing is free, and so you’re forced to sell your life away to get the money to get the things you think you need or want? Where’s the freedom when you have no time or energy left over to actually create some portion of your life as your own? Where’s the freedom when you’re forced to divide your life into portions just to pretend that some bit of it is still your own? And where’s the freedom when those who are enterprising enough to find their own ways to get or create what they need or want for their lives without selling the time of their life away have to face the threat of fines or prison for having the enterprise to act on their own terms? And as to the enterprise of this economy? Just look at how fast Mr. and Ms. Moneybags go running to Big Daddy government for a handout the moment they screw up. And to think, these are the same corporate executives who complain about their tax dollars going to “welfare bums” and who’ll claim that enterprise means self-reliance, not infantile dependence on the governmental teat… Well, so much for their enterprise.
So, yeah, I want this absurd farce to fall, and although I won’t offer any recipes for how to bring it down, there is one aspect of this reality that I think offers a key for imaginative exploration along these lines: this economy goes on existing only because our daily, unthinking, habitual activities keep it going. We assume that it is natural, inevitable, and so go on doing what makes it inevitable. Well, I think it’s time to pull the rug out from under it.
This is why I got a kick out of hearing that some surrealists in Spain expressed the same sentiment last November by publicly burning money (and dancing in the streets) in Madrid. A purely symbolic act? Of course, but since money has become the sacred symbol of the highest values of society, this action carries the force of blasphemy. And with this force it can spark the imagination, leading to explorations of how to practically refuse and attack the economic blackmail.
But the very nature of the current so-called crisis has reminded me of some ideas a few wild-eyed dreamers were discussing already twenty to thirty years ago. It seems that one of the main causes behind the current economic crisis lies in the sleazy housing loan and mortgage policies that have been the norm for the past few years, and this reminded me of the Permanent Universal Rent Strike that a few of us discussed back in the 1980s. The idea is very simple. Everyone would stop paying their rent, mortgage, property taxes, whatever money those in power claim we owe them if we want to have a place to live. In other words, a universal refusal of one of the more important blackmails imposed by governments, banks and landlords.
It was around the same time that I came across the writings of a fellow who had decided, in the mid-1970s, that he was no longer willing to live as a slave to money and the system that requires it. As he began to recreate nis own life on these terms, he also proposed a utopian practice that he thought individuals could begin right away. Though he called it the “Priceless Economic System”, it was not at all a system and was anti-ecconomic. But it was priceless in all the best senses of the word. Again the idea is simple. He argued that if everyone were to start sharing their skills, knowledge and creations with each other for free, there would be no need for anyone to live as a slave to money or a job. Once again the idea was to refuse to pay the black mail imposed by the economic and political institutions that rule us.
I already said that I wasn’t offering any recipes, and I didn’t bring these ideas up as proposals for actions. First of all, because free-spirited individuals are rightly suspicious of any such proposal that comes from a stranger, since they are quite capable of coming up with ideas of their own in discussions with those they know and trust. Besides, projects like the Permanent Universal Rent Strike and the Priceless Economic System would only begin to effect the economy if a large portion of the population decided to take part. And that ain’t likely to happen any time soon. And if it did, you can bet your sweet ass that those who profit from this economy and those who rule this society wouldn’t just sit there watching; they’d do eerything in their power to keep things as they are.
So why do I bring up these ideas at all? Because they clearly point out that the economy and the ruling order of which it is a central part are not the natural order of things, but exist only through our continuing habitual participation. Because they express a daring and playful capacity to see and think and dream beyond what is, and perhaps this can spark more imaginative discussions from which bold ideas and creative actions can grow.
The economy, which has been the misery of so many for so long, is staggering. Most likely, it will right itself soon. But for the moment, an opportunity has opened to push it. So why not take advantage of this opportunity? Finding ways to withdraw support, to stop paying the blackmail, is essential, but not enough. There is also much that has to be destroyed, taken apart so it can’t be used again by anyone who may want to rule others. Each of us who wants to play this game will figure out what it means for her or himself, learning to interweave with others’ actions and ideas. But I’m sure it will include laughter and anger, poetry and violence, and dancing in the streets around bonfires of burning money.
I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.
Another reason to ghost or go Galt – the GAO has officially reported that the government wasted through improper payments and fraud 125 billion dollars – just last year. That amount is larger than the GDP of all countries except the top 15.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29
The government doesn’t respect the money it extorts from its citizens and doesn’t even give a damn about citizens in general – the elite are all about themselves. I am extremely happy to be in the lowest tax bracket by choice, retiring in 2003 and participating in the fewest taxable actions I can. More power to you ghosts!
Ah f~~~ it. Who gives a s~~~.
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