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  • #391488
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    Anonymous
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    I see both sides, perhaps atheists believe in what they see and can prove tangible to the touch.

    Belief is seeing what’s happening in front of you and the factual memories you have to confirm your beliefs .

    One can not “believe” in god being in and of the physical tangible world.

    Faith is different than belief, belief is confirmation. In order for a man of faith to become a true “believer” he must die and make the passage to “confirmation”.

    Imagining things that are about to happen based in factual events surrounding any given issue is a form of faith. Therefore Atheists have faith but not in god.

    #391494
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    Badger
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    And now that this thread was created , can an atheist actually come here right now and prove that God does not exist. Please, come here. The first atheist that can (make history and be the first f~~~ing atheist in the history who can actually prove that God does not exist), come here and we’ll have a chat. I’ll buy you a beer.

    I’ll buy you a beer if you can prove that invisible albino snow sharks do not exist.

    If is common knowledge amongst educated people that it is impossible to prove a negative. If you assert there is “anything, i.e, God” then it is up to YOU to prove that there IS such a thing. It would benefit everyone if you would first find out what atheism is before you post nonsense about it.

    #391496
    Suggestius
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    They did invade tibet …

    But you are correct that the PRC didn’t start any other wars against other nations. As far as I can think of.
    The chinese civil war is a bad example.

    Tibet is not a country. No, I was wrong. PRC started a war. It was the war against Vietnam.

    Happiness for all and let no one be forgotten ("Roadside picnic", Arkady and Boris Strugatsky)

    #391498
    Meister
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    Atheism is the most violent and blood thirst religion in human history.
    Atheistic regimes are the most cruel and oppressive against all non-believers.

    Christian morality

    Christian morality, out of the bomber plane.

    Point being?

    Im sure you’ll figure it out.

    Morality … my quote … photoshopped image with the enola gay in it …

    *sigh* ….Christian nation dropping an atomic bomb? Morality, peace, non-violence ?

    1. The US is not a “christian nation”
    2. What does that have to do with my post?

    1. Suddenly. In God We Trust ?
    2. Morality =/= Religion.

    1. … ???? …
    2. No?

    Read the first amendment.
    The US is not a christian nation.

    Monk

    #391501
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    FullMetalExo
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    Overall, people can believe whatever they want to, as long as it doesn’t bother me destroy my life.
    I myself prefer to have faith in good people, kindness, even if there is not much of it. I can’t seriously start believing in any god’s.

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    #391502
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    Meister
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    They did invade tibet …

    But you are correct that the PRC didn’t start any other wars against other nations. As far as I can think of.
    The chinese civil war is a bad example.

    Tibet is not a country. No, I was wrong. PRC started a war. It was the war against Vietnam.

    Tibet is not a country anymore because china invaded it …
    And murdered everyone who didn’t convert to atheism.

    Monk

    #391504
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    Anonymous
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    Which god exactly ?

    Makes no difference whatsoever. If we are talking about life after death, there is only one f~~~ing God that is judging us all (in my opinion, this no fact, just an opinion, mind you). It’s just quite funny that so many atheists are bravely running their mouths even when they can’t prove they’re actually right.

    Really, come to your f~~~ing senses.

    I don’t need to “prove that god does NOT exist” because he doesn’t exist at all – except in the context of the meaning which assign to him.

    Keymaster, how do you know that though? That’s all speculation. And I’ve noticed that people tend to have extremely strong opinions on this (just like on politics). They’re just running their mouths when they can’t actually prove what they say is correct.

    #391505
    Meister
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    I see both sides, perhaps atheists believe in what they see and can prove tangible to the touch.

    Belief is seeing what’s happening in front of you and the factual memories you have to confirm your beliefs .

    One can not “believe” in god being in and of the physical tangible world.

    Faith is different than belief, belief is confirmation. In order for a man of faith to become a true “believer” he must die and make the passage to “confirmation”.

    Imagining things that are about to happen based in factual events surrounding any given issue is a form of faith. Therefore Atheists have faith but not in god.

    Facts are created by our brains which interpret sensory input.
    There are no objective facts.
    http://edutechwiki.unige.ch/en/Radical_constructivism

    Everything is subjective.

    In practice atheist only belief in the interpretation of the sensory input by their brain.

    Monk

    #391509
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    Badger
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    Smith, George H.
    Atheism: The Case Against God.
    Buffalo, NY : Prometheus Books, 1979
    ISBN 0-87975-124-X

    Chapter 2
    The Concept of God

    I
    The Meaning of “God”

    Knowing what one is talking about is of inestimable value in any dialogue, so the theist, before he sets out to explain why we should believe in god, must first explain what he means by the word “god.” What is the theist attempting to establish the existence of? What is the nature of god? How are we to identify him (or it)? At least some of the attributes of this supposed creature must be known before anything can be considered relevant to establishing his existence. As one theist put it, “With no description or definition to work from, we will literally fail to know what we are talking about.” For example, consider the following dialogue:

    Mr. Jones: “An unie exists.”
    Mr. White: “Prove it.”
    Mr. Jones: “It has rained for three consecutive days—that is my proof.”

    If this exchange is less than satisfactory, much of the blame exists with Mr. White: his demand for proof is premature.

    Mr. Jones has not specified what an “unie” is: until and unless he does so, “unie” is nothing but a meaningless sound, and Mr. Jones is uttering nonsense. Without some description of an “unie,” the alleged proof for its existence is incoherent.

    When confronted with the claim that a god exists, the person who immediately demands proof commits the same error as does Mr. White. His first response should be, “What is it for which you are claiming existence?” The theist must present an intelligible description of god. Until he does so, “god” makes no more sense than “unie”: both are cognitively empty, and any attempt at proof is logically absurd. Nothing can qualify as evidence for the existence of a god unless we have some idea of what we are searching for. Even if it is demanded that the existence of god be accepted on faith, we still must know what it is we are required to have faith in. As W.T. Blackstone puts it:

    Until the content of a belief is make clear, the appeal to accept the belief
    on faith is beside the point, for one would not know what one has
    accepted. The request for the meaning of a religious belief is logically
    prior to the question of accepting that belief on faith or to the question of
    whether that belief constitutes knowledge.

    The meaning of “god” and other religious terms has been a center of controversy in modern philosophical thought. A.J. Ayer, in his famous Language, Truth and Logic (published in 1935) argued that “to say that ‘God exists’ is to make a metaphysical utterance which cannot be either true or false. And…no sentence which purports to describe the nature of a transcendent god can possess and literal significance.”

    The principle upon which Ayer based his rejection of theology is now considered to be defunct, but philosophers continue to debate the pitfalls and merits of religious language. Indeed, much of the recent literature in the area of philosophical theology concerns itself with the meaning and use of religious terms.

    Because of this emphasis, most theistic philosophers are painfully aware of the problems of defining and clarifying the concept of god. There remains, however, an insufficient understanding among many theists as to the importance of this task. Defining the concept of god is not an optional chore to be undertaken at the theist’s convenience. It is a necessary prerequisite for intelligibility. Assuming that the theist does not believe his theism to be nonsense, he has the responsibility of explaining the content of his belief. Failing this, to state that “god exists” is to communicate nothing at all: it is as if nothing has been done.
    What, then, is meant by the word “god?” This is not a simple question. There have been many historical concepts of god, from the anthropomorphic deities of the Greeks to the omnipotent god of Christianity. Some gods are all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-good, while others are not. Some gods are objects of reverence, while others are not. Some gods communicate with man, while others do not. Differences such as these make it impossible to give a detailed description of a god that will encompass every religion—-and securing widespread agreement on the meaning of “god” is a formidable, if not impossible, task.
    Much of the confusion surrounding the idea of god seems from the fact that the word “god” is among the most abused terms in the history of man, ranking with such notorious words as “freedom,” “justice,” and “love.” Atheism is an unpopular stance (especially if one happens to be a clergyman), so some people conveniently attach the word “god” to any belief with a range of significance, such as nature, the universe, love or an ultimate goal in one’s life. As Anthony Flew notes, these idiosyncratic usages of “god” make it “comparatively easy to secure very wide verbal agreement on the existence of God. But much of this is exposed as unreal when we probe the different meanings given to the key word.” Today the professed theist and atheist may agree on all accepted points except an appropriate label for their position—and it is instructive to note that, historically, more blood has been spilled in religious wars between theists of different persuasions than between theists and atheists.

    The rest of the chapter is available in the book and explains the contradictions that occur when a description of any deity is made.

    #391511
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    Keymaster
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    Keymaster, how do you know that though? That’s all speculation.

    I don’t “know” —>> and neither do you.
    That’s not speculation. Thats’ a FACT.

    Go back to my previous response to you. God doesn’t exist the moment I DECIDE he doesn’t exist – just like I can decide he does. He didn’t put the Earth the exact distance away from the sun for there to be any life on this planet anyway. Like your existence, the moon happened by some cosmic mathematical slim chance too.

    “OH YEAH?? WELL WHO MADE THE DINOSAURS??”

    “I don’t know, and neither do you”.

    “OH YEAH?? WELL WHO MADE THE EARTH??”

    “I don’t know, and neither do you”.

    “OH YEAH?? WELL WHO MADE THE SOLAR SYSTEM??”

    “I don’t know, and neither do you”.

    The debate was over before it began. Expecting someone to disprove the existence of “god” doesn’t make him exist. Only your belief makes god exist.

    It’s actually more likely that I am “god” of my own universe, because I had a hand in it’s creation, but even though it’s a grandiose statement, I still won’t ask you to prove that I am not. My universe is the creation of my parents, so we’ll just have a that beer and a good laugh about it anyway.

    If you think I’m at all interested in spending my Saturday speculating the existence of God then you must think I’m not very bright. I know better than to engage in any religious discussion or debate that you already LOST.

    You can go back to my previous post and read it again because in it, I proved that god both exists and doesn’t exist all in the same post. Knock yourself out. I need to wash my car.

    If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
    #391512
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    Anonymous
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    I would go back to Greg’s post, that says something I quite agree.

    The problem with religion, any religion, is that it is Man Made.

    Let us make this clear. I am not saying that religions did not start by “divine” influence. But the problem is that the original testimonial is long gone when they put it in writing. Did Buda write anything? Did Christ write anything?
    Even admitting that the people writing the books had a good understand of the divine knowledge, the following generations have to work with building a movement, and compromises must be made. To some point, if the religion is to survive, it must be allied with the state. And we all know how this works, Christ is on record for saying “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s”. Yea, that is why Christian religion got associated with the state.

    So, let us be suspicious of all human “interpretations”. Because times change, and people “reinterpret” things differently.

    “Doubt kills more dreams than failure ever will.” Being in doubts means do nothing. No actions – no motion.

    I understand where you are coming from, and I agree. Excess of doubt immobilizes, but lack of doubt is inflexibility. No doubts and pray you believe the right things…

    I would ask you what is more powerful: to know or to believe?
    All religions will praise blind faith, to believe what we do not know, to accept without a proof. They like that idea! They can sell you anything with that.

    Doubt what others tell you to believe, because it is most likely to their advantage than yours.

    Allow you to momentarily doubt yourself, dont call it doubt, just call it “check yourself”. Is what your doing reasonable? That can avoid us many errors.

    That is my meaning. Doubt what I am saying, it must make sense to YOU.

    #391516
    Badger
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    Before you post, go back and read this prior post and give us a definition of god. It would help if you would also read the entire chapter to realize the difficulty of that task.

    Smith, George H.
    Atheism: The Case Against God.
    Buffalo, NY : Prometheus Books, 1979
    ISBN 0-87975-124-X
    Chapter 2
    The Concept of God
    I
    The Meaning of “God”

    #391517
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    Greg Honda
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    Ok, Just to be a little controversial,

    Atheists, Get over Yourselves already!

    You didn’t create your life or anyone else’s. You are not Superman. You are not the centre of the universe. There is room for a higher power. Oh, yeah, I know the Genesis story of creation is a bit far fetched, but, So is Darwinism!

    That story I was sold in school that all life started in some primeordeal soup as the planet was forming, got struck by lightning or whatever. Just as crazy as Adam and Eve. Just dressed up in fancy words to make it sound scientific. You can’t re-create it then it’s just a hypothesis or theory at best. It’s not proven fact.

    And all that s~~~ about all life being in the ocean, and then some fish or whatever eventually got used to getting out the water and eventually transferred to land. Yeah, try that with a fish today or spend more time yourself underwater and see if your kids will develop gills. BS. All the variety of life from one location? One unrepeatable event? Or were there lots of Primordeal pools for the mamals, fish birds, insects? BS.

    That being said, I agree with your scepticism regarding organised religion. It’s politics in another form. Hence the bloodshed.

    But to riddicule the idea of a higher power cos’ your current sensory equipment is too crude to pick up on it is foolish. Why not be open to all possibilities? Nothing can be proved either way without direct experience and that experience is usually No Refunds, No Returns.

    Usually.

    Crazy Greg out! 🙂

    It's Time to get Wise

    #391518
    Meister
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    Keymaster, how do you know that though? That’s all speculation.

    I don’t “know” —>> and neither do you.
    That’s not speculation. Thats’ a FACT.

    I elaborated above that there are no facts.
    That’s a FACT.

    Monk

    #391519
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    JVB
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    Sometimes ego gets in the way. We think we are so special and we really matter in life. There is just no way I can die and then there is nothing. No not me. I am a somebody.

    Peace is > piece.

    #391520
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    FullMetalExo
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    there is only one f~~~ing God that is judging us all (in my opinion,

    Why would anyone waste his time to prove/disprove your specific imaginary friend for you ? You should bother with it yourself. Unless it’s a psychotherapist who gets paid.

    Overall I agree, live and let live.

    Ok, Just to be a little controversial,

    Love it, like it’s not controversial enough 😀

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    #391526
    Badger
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    Atheists, Get over Yourselves already!

    Tell us then what is this “higher power.” Why did this “higher power” suddenly become so feeble that it was not able to create EVERY human with a belief in its existence if that is what it demands now?

    #391528

    Anonymous
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    It’s actually more likely that I am “god” of my own universe, because I had a hand in it’s creation, but even though it’s a grandiose statement, I still won’t ask you to prove that I am not. My universe is the creation of my parents, so we’ll just have a that beer and a good laugh about it anyway.

    If you keep doing what you’ve always d

    Well, you know what Keymaster, I am 100% with you here. I certainly am not in the position to judge anyone. it’s just that when someone makes a bold statement like that, right in front of me, it just makes me want to f~~~ing question it. I will bring it up again in the future.

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    FullMetalExo
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    …what if we are all a projection/light of cosmos.
    …anything is possible ?
    ..or of Jah/Yahwe after all ? or …over 9000 other theories/believes.

    Sometimes ego gets in the way. We think we are so special and we really matter in life. There is just no way I can die and then there is nothing. No not me. I am a somebody.

    I like the movie Revolver, about Ego/Devil masquerading as Ego etc.

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    #391535
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    Badger
    Badger
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    Does anyone else think these “F~~~ _____” postings are just troll attempts to create dissension and tie up the forums?

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