Freedom…what does it mean to you ?

[Anonymous 0]

Hi Gents,

since I took the red pill I am always strive to widen my freedom, every day a little bit more.  The idea of freedom, freedom in your mind, is the foundation. All other things will follow.

There is a key scene in the movie Apoclypse Now about freedom when Willard (Martin Sheen) came to Kurtz’s (Marlon Brando) cave and Kurtz just asked:

Have you ever considered any real freedoms ? Freedoms – from the opinions of others… Even the opinions of yourself.

These words are for all times in my mind, since I took the red pill.

Kurtz didn’t let Willard answer this question because he did know he will got no “Mahatma” answer so he went on and asked:

They say why…, Willard, why they wanted to terminate my command ?”

In this case, Willard just anwered what he have been told to answer:

I was sent on a classified mission, sir.

Then for me was clear, they don’t want to terminate Kurtz’s command, they want to terminate his freedom.  It runs through the movie like the central thread.  They are always want to terminate the freedom, OUR FREEDOM, by telling us that they want preserve freedom.

Well, what do you think about freedom and what are you doing to widen and preserve it.

To all the MGHOWs around the world, all the best whishes for 2015. Keep on going your own way !

By the way:  Independently of your current Situation, maybe trapped, maybe in a horrible marrige, maybe in a domestic quarrel, or paying alimonies and penalties etc.  and you feel like living in hell, remind this.

Also the Hell is a place which turns around the sun.

Take care and CHEERS!!!

[MBDParticipant 5]

When we look at most of the wars, Men would die in the fight for freedom. Then they go and get married, where most freedoms are gone. Men would do hi risk work and even die in the pursue of power, then they will marry and let a woman take half of it.  Men would die fighting for their families and then let their ex take it away from them.  Freedom is when that you value the most cannot be taken away. When you are the only person you need to ask permission for or the only one whose decisions affects your path in life. Freedom is the “empty” space between areas of control.  Avoid the areas of control out of your life, and you have freedom. Prevent dept, marriage, children or binding contracts. Prevent social pressures that enslave you, dont worry about being a hero, earning more than the other guy, or show women how much you would do or sacrifice for them.  Get rid of habits that may be illegal or incriminating and develop habits that cannot be scrutinized. The worst enslavement is the enslavement where you enter in yourself, because you will blame others and never be able to escape because you would not let yourself escape.

I’ve been reading many men’s testimonies about marriage and divorces, it gets ugly, even my ex boss from way back said. “If I know what I know now, I would never got married”. The greatest wisdom is the kind that allow you to learn from other peoples mistakes and foolishness. If you don’t learn from it, then they suffered in vain.  If someone burned his hand on a stove, there is no need for you to try it too. So guys must map the spaces between the elements that control them, and explore their freedom. Else all the men who were fighting in wars for our freedoms have died in vain. If you can harvest that, then that would be a the only thing men can exclusively get from that what men before them have created, everything else is shared shared with entitled women.

Let the only men who died in vain be the ones who stayed behind on the Titanic so that women and children can get the lifeboats only for women a few years later to demand to be treated as equals.

A great deal of men sit in prison due to their involvement with women because they loved women or thought they did, men who never would have been there if they valued their freedoms more. An intruder breaks in and a man protects his family and shoot him, man sit in prison and woman finds a new man. and the list goes on. Some men would steal to feed their families and go to prison, she benefit from his crimes but gets to go to the next man while only he goes to prison. Don’t be a sucker, the social system with women are designed to exploit men as disposable resources. Only those who truly value freedom will truly have freedom.

[IronSoldierParticipant 55]

The posts in this thread remind me of a point that a mangina marriage counselor once tried to make to me a decade ago.  He said, “if women led nations, there would be no wars.”  My head almost exploded.  I said, “Oh really?  Let’s play a game, then, doc.  You name a woman leader of state, and I’ll name the war she led her nation into.  And then, for every woman we mention, I’ll mention three male leaders of state whose nation did NOT participate in a war during their administration.”  He declined to play the game with me.

I never sat down and crunched the numbers, but I’m willing to bet that if we take all the women who led a nation at war and divided it by all the women leaders in the world, and then did the same for men leaders, the ratio would show women leaders to be absolute warmongers compared to men.  One day, I should do this, but my knowledge of history is far too lacking to make an accurate or complete enough list to make this point.

Let’s see…I can think of:

Hatshepsut, circa 1500 BC, Ancient Egypt vs. the Abyssinias and vs. the …Hittites?…Semites?

Cleopatra VII, circa 40 BC, Ancient Egypt vs.Rome

Boudicea, circa 60 AD, Iceni vs. Rome

Queen Elizabeth I, 1500s, England vs. France and England vs. Spain, and vs. Mary of Scots, etc.

Catherine de Medici, 1500s, French Wars of Religion

Maria Theresa, 1700s, Seven Years War

Catherine the Great, 1700s, Russia vs. the Turks, the Swedes, the Poles

Queen Victoria, 1800s, Indian Rebellion

Golda Meir, 1970s, Yom Kippur War

Indira Gandhi, 1980s, Indian Army vs. the Damdami Taksal

Margaret Thatcher, 1980s, Faulkand Islands War

Who else am I missing?

[IronSoldierParticipant 55]

Ah…I am reminded of some more*:

Artemesia I, 480 BC, Greece vs. Persia

Zenobia, 3rd Century, Palmyra vs. Rome

Æthelflæd, 10th Century, Mercia vs. the Danes

Countess Matilda, 11th Century, Tuscany vs. Austria

Queen Isabella I, who is often regarded over Ferdinand of Aragon as the primary ruler of Castile, 1500s, Portugal vs. the Moors

“Bloody” Queen Mary I, 1500s, England vs. Ireland and France

Warrior Queen Suriyothai, 1500s, Siam vs. Burma

Empress Elizabeth of Russia, 1700s, War of Austrian Succession

Queen Anne of Britain, 1700s, Queen Anne’s War

Queen Lakshmibai, 1850s, India vs. the British

Geez…I’m starting to see that the easier list would have been of women rulers who WEREN’T the leader of a nation at war.

And in a perfect “jerk store” moment, long after this incident with the marriage counselor, I realized what I SHOULD have said to him:  if women ruled the world, regardless of whether there would be be more wars, the ones that did take place would never end because every time the warring parties met to parlay, every slight by the other side would be recalled, brought up, and thrown in the face of the enemy, and there would never be peace.

And by the way, MariusD, your very philosophical insight on the definition of freedom is worthy of the writings of Friedrich Schelling.  It’s also worthy of the Purple Patch thread.

 

*Honorable mention goes to Harriet Beecher Stowe, Helen of Troy and Joan of Arc who, while not leaders of nations, are said to be responsible for three separate wars.

[…Spectator 1165]

Therapists have keywords and catch phrases and a small limited amount of ideas because they come through the university system. I have dated three. Sex was great with two of them, very wild and they enjoyed most being told what to do and being dominated. That had to be kept secret of course. Your historical research is very well done man. In my opinion, therapy is for pussies and it is very overpriced. It will be far too many years I think before that field will be able to absorb internet consciousness because by the time they figure it out (if they give a f~~~) the consciousness will have grown to something entirely new. Thanks internet!

[IronSoldierParticipant 55]

Thanks for the compliment, ListenUp!

Yes, I’ve always believed that therapy is bulls~~~ and a racket for women, a way to turn the spotlight on them to give them the incessant attention their narcissistic little hearts forever desire.  My ex was in therapy since before I knew her, and then she started dragging me into the fray.  I never wanted anything to do with it.  Now that she’s out of my life as much as I can legally manage under the gynocentric system of slavery that passes for the Family Court System, my goal is to never step foot in another therapist’s office for the rest of my life.

 

 

[…Spectator 1165]

Sure thing Iron. You didn’t need to be there in that office in the first place. You are right about just more attention whore bulls~~~. Sorry about whatever happened to you with your ex. Society is completely against men at this point in the world as you are finding out. I got burned really bad last time around as well but I walked away and am rebuilding. My January schedule is the best work wise it has been in years. I am sleeping great. I’m dropping weight. I laughed so hard at some of the videos here earlier today, I went out and looked for a piece of ass hahahaha. I don’t think mgtow is an anti-female movement at all. I am not against anything other than the suppression of ideas. Everyone can use the information they take in to feed themselves and then see how it works out in real life. My impression of this website is that free speech is welcome and that is why people come here. Sometimes you’ve got to vent and you can do that here. I find it especially interesting the wrinkles to the stories here as I’m always on my toes to see what kind of s~~~ women may try next. I’ll be wealthy again at the front of 2016. If I can stay self aware with everything I will have learned by then, I won’t find myself in another relationship mess again.

[IronSoldierParticipant 55]

I agree, LU!.  MGTOW is not a women-hating group.  I see it this way:

Men and women both have flaws inherent to their sex.  (Men are hard-wired to sow their seed and will go to great lengths to do so.  Women are hard-wired to extract resources from men.)  I hate the SOCIAL STRUCTURE and LEGAL SYSTEM that punish and enslave men for their gender-inherent flaws while simultaneously rewarding women for theirs.

Yes, I’m a lawyer and I said I hate the legal system.  I’m looking at YOU, Family Court system!

[…Spectator 1165]

Ironsoldier: happy f~~~ing FRIDAY brother. good to see you man! good post as always and why not hate the f~~~ing system? we are being punished ALL THE TIME but a lot of the young guys here haven’t figured that s~~~ out yet. I know your story bro, i feel for what you are going through. system is a rigged POS that rewards everyone but us the people doing the actual work. f~~~ it! its friday. i just passed the blunt back to Ninja, so have some if you want IronSoldier.

[IronSoldierParticipant 55]

Thanks, LU!.  Hope you’re having a good extended weekend.

@John Doe, in the Purple Patches thread, you responded to MariusD’s statement in this thread that “Freedom is the “empty” space between areas of control.” by saying:

The ability to rip apart, divide, destroy, etc. provides this “empty” space.  However this has caused much suffering for many men at the mercy of a corrupted system.

Ironsoldier:  Your attempts are noble, but I fear subjectivity can “blind” this thread.  After all if “beauty is in the eye of the beholder” than you are deriving truth as you see fit.

On a side note, I wonder if I should have changed my forum name to “The Devil’s Advocate” because it seems that is all I do with these philosophy threads.  Or maybe instead of disagreeing I am just touching up someone else’s work of art.

I’m not sure I understood your post.  Could you elaborate?  I didn’t even realize you were disagreeing until I read your own description of your post as such.  I want to comprehend your point, but it went over my head.  What did you mean?

[…Spectator 1165]

Hey IronSoldier: good to see you man. you were saying some wise s~~~ a couple days ago. actually, my weekend is going very well. i’m in the entertainment biz, so i work every weekend. holidays are meaningless. on monday, i have a big meeting which could be pivotal careerwise for me and i did something i never did before: i banned women from the meeting. just f~~~ing didn’t invite them. not taking my assistant. none of the performers or business people can bring one. i am certain that it will go smoothly because today i’m prepping everyone with notes before they come in and i’ll tell ya, it sure it easy to deal with MEN. “ok, got it.” those are the kind of emails i like to get.

in my community though, i have to be VERY careful about talking about mgtow at this point or saying what i’m doing strategically. so what i did is just collect all the female data i needed for this, set the meeting for a date when the females are not in town (monday holiday). then i chose a location that it too small to hold more than the six people needed to be there, so there’s no room for women even if they were around. i think i have to plan in this fashion now. wish me luck man. i always wish you luck w your s~~~. your story still blows me away.

[IronSoldierParticipant 55]

Good luck, LU!.

I hear you, brother.  I also have to be careful about my affiliation with MGTOW as a lawyer, and a government lawyer at that.  My career could be destroyed by taking my posts here out of context in a profession where, according to the American Bar Association, 51% of all judicial clerks as of July 2014 (these are the people researching and writing the opinions of judges) are female…that’s right…the majority of the power behind the bench in America has a vagina.   Also, 52.3% of the total number of presidential appointments to the American Bar Association are women.  Another majority.  These are the people who will be litigating and presiding over your divorce/custody/asset distribution/support proceedings.  WE ARE F~~~ED.

If the security of this website were ever compromised, and our identities ever leaked, the gynarchs and their male slaves who run the gynocentric social structure and legal system would use our posts out of context to make us look like women-haters and ruin us, even though that we — or at least I — don’t hate women, but hate the gynocentric social structure and legal system that exalt women’s gender-inherent flaws and reward them for them, while simultaneously exploiting and enslaving men for their gender-inherent flaws.  But the feminists will sweep that little truth under the carpet.

Honestly — and it’s appropriate that we’re discussing this in this particular thread — even here I don’t feel entirely free.  I do fear that every post I make puts me at risk at being exposed and destroyed by the gynarchy.  So…there is no true freedom, even here, I fear.

That said, I trust KeyMaster to protect our identities and personal data; he is definitely wise, a true believer, inspirational and capable…but I often wonder whether even he can protect us entirely from the gynarchs hell-bent on maligning and destroying us.  And that’s a shame, because we need a place where we can speak freely and express our ideas without fear of being destroyed by the gynarchy.

@keymaster, total respect to you, brother.  Can you maybe give us some encouraging words on this matter?  Are we truly free to speak here?

 

[…Spectator 1165]

Iron: damn, i didn’t know you were gov’t and i didn’t know those stats. thanks for filling me in. I agree about the site ever being hacked. i’m not particularly worried because of the way i set up my account, but even then….the world is a dangerous place man.  if you are concerned, here’s what you might want to do if you haven’t done this already:

01 go to gmail. fill out the minimum requirements with fake whatever..i found that if i list my age as 28 at gmail, they want me in their demographic with no more questions asked. 02 ask Keymaster to change your email address to that new one and delete the other one. 03 use a different machine when posting here not one that you typically use. that might not be much help, but at least it is a start. i could never have an actual email account associated with what i do here as in my line of work people are sometimes staring right into my laptop and right into my emails. hope that helps!

[IronSoldierParticipant 55]

Thanks for the advice, LU!.  Will do.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@keymaster, total respect to you, brother. Can you maybe give us some encouraging words on this matter? Are we truly free to speak here?

Certainly. Don’t forget there is no shame in being a MGTOW anymore. That’s GONE. Men are signing up using their real faces in their avatars and even though they can use any display name they want… some use their REAL names. Voluntarily. We don’t take any other personal or contact information. Just any email where we can reach you. The only criteria for joining is XY chromosomes and an email which can be any email box you want. You can be gof~~~yourselfwithtwofists @ gmail . com.

Any gyno-c~~~ who has a problem with “misogyny” needs to be f~~~ing corrected. It’s been explained in the FAQ nobody gets to accuse MGTOW of “misogyny” here.

Anybody dares… we can direct them to this lovely gem some hateful t~~~ tried to drop 3 times in the forum.
She even left her f~~~ing phone number and name:

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You will never find a single MGTOW who had that s~~~ to say. “Kill 99% of all men you all need to f~~~ing die”?? Jesus Christ. Women will even tweet “men born under 6′ tall need to go suicide themselves“.

Find me something written by a MGTOW that comes close to that f~~~ing s~~~.
MGTOW would throw them out on their ass.

A guy showed up here yesterday talking about “biting” and “spanking” a chick because she gets off on that sexually… and that s~~~ was deleted on sight. Nobody here – especially you – said anything which remotely comes close to that s~~~.

We have NOTHING to be ashamed of.

THEY DO.

MGTOW are men of honor, code and integrity and understand the very basics of right and wrong. And every member can be proud to be here.

If you’re concerned at all about your privacy, we can even provide you (not for free) with a mgtow.com email forward or even an email box. The forward you can use to “bounce” any emails from that box to your personal box. This feature is coming shortly when we will start to offer membership tiers. More on that later.

Don’t ever be afraid or ashamed of what you are. If women can be that openly hateful without shame and think it’s their “right” to behave that way, what the f~~~ does a MGTOW have to apologize for. Nothing.

I would say women should be ashamed of themselves.
…if I thought they had any capacity for it.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[IronSoldierParticipant 55]

Thank you, KM.

[…Spectator 1165]

Hey Iron, Hey Key: Iron: bro, i remember seeing you posted the city where you are located somewhere awhile back, forgot to remind you to change it to NYC or Dallas when we were talking earlier today. You just cannot be too careful. I think for a guy like me or Key it would not be as bad but you have kids and if she ever hired a smart guy to go hunting, it might not work out too well bro.

Did you see that video i posted of the guy who gets the japanese sex robot in the mail and tries to live with his robot and his wife? that s~~~ is f~~~ing hilarious bro. look up the thread a few posts, i think it’s on this thread.

[IronSoldierParticipant 55]

Advice taken, LU!.  That was my profile.  I’ve edited it.  Thank you, brother.

[John DoeParticipant 743]

I’m not sure I understood your post.  Could you elaborate?  I didn’t even realize you were disagreeing until I read your own description of your post as such.  I want to comprehend your point, but it went over my head.  What did you mean

In regards to the which point exactly? I need a specific quote.

[Anonymous 42]

@keymaster, I haven’t seen a letter like that since I held public office. You should try a face to face for some real excitement! I’d love to meet that one, I know I could get her to pussy fart in just 5 minutes!

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