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So I’ve been hanging out with this female who is in her mid-twenties… considerably younger than me. I have a fair amount of experience with a wide variety of females and, to be honest, I thought I’d seen it all. But this one showed me something new.
By the second or third meeting, I was 95% certain that she was not sexually attracted to me. It’s pretty obvious when someone wants you and when they don’t. Nevertheless, she was young and attractive and I wanted her (and hope springs eternal in the human crotch, they say) so I met her again a few times. Just as I was about to give up and move on, she made a move on me.
Okay, so it IS on, after all… or so I thought. But that’s not what it turned out to be at all. She would give me all the signs of sexual disinterest and then turn on me at the end of the night like she wanted me… right up until I went in for the kill, at which point she would “call in the cooler” using whatever trick or technique she had available to make sure things never progressed too far.
For a guy like me who is used to a much more direct approach, this was confusing at first… but I figured out that she was just looking to take me for my time, energy and treasure (duh!) and was using the lure of the potential for sex to keep me on the line.
Now of course I’d seen that before… but I’d never had a female actually get physical with me in order to do it, usually it’s just the suggestion. But it turns out this is how she operates, which I found out by polling her social group later on.
Next time I meet a female I’m interested in getting with, I’m going to have to remember to check up on her first… or just go with my gut instincts (my fault for ignoring the signs on this one) and cut her when we get to three and all our clothes are still on.
Her play was simple, much like you implied. She was going to give you a free appetizer hoping you will spring for the car later. Its a strat many females are using today because males are no longer putting cash on the table for their presence any more. They’ve stepped their game up but its not enough.
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power."
Abraham LincolnWell, I too have not seen that specific tactic but I have never given a woman a chance to get that far.
I used to frequent bars daily and learned about the game. The key is to be the game, not to play it.
At a bar, a woman knows if she will f~~~ you the first 60 seconds after meeting you. All the other pleasantries and courtship won’t change a f~~~ing thing. She may “let” you f~~~ her after a while of teasing, but you have to give up too much time, energy, and resources in order to do it. Remember, for every guy pulling out all the stops to f~~~ a girl, there is another guy out who will get to f~~~ her with no effort. Don’t let a girl play this game.
you may be numb to the pain the hook has been set for so long. Here is what we see.
Careful when she reels you in and goes for the kill through your wallet.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, it is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning; it is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
Em… I actually did that to the last girl I was dating (she never met with me again).
She was hot, very hot (both in terms of attraction and temperature, so I had a clear green light saying, go for it).
So, when we were at about the time when you just start taking clothes of rapidly, i looked at the watch and said: “You wanted to leave before 18.00, we don’t have enough time for this”.
That was the last time she met me solo, but we did meet with some other friends as well, as she did not seem angry at me, but Im guessing she does not want a guy that can keep his head so focused.
Or she just does not like that I dont run behind her as a dog, or any of the other billion things that can be wrong for woman… who cares, it was her friendship I wanted anyway :D.
This has happened a few times to me. Women are teases (as we all know), using that as a bait to lure you…but they’ll reel that bait back in when you go for the bite!
I have had it done to me. When she senses I am losing interest — mostly due to frustration and a sense of wasted time — she turns up the heat to keep me breaking orbit. When I’m drawn back in, she slams the gates shut and raises the drawbridge again — with me outside, frustrated and wasting my time again.
The only solution I found for myself was to spit out the hook, break orbit, and migrate.
you may be numb to the pain the hook has been set for so long. Here is what we see.
Careful when she reels you in and goes for the kill through your wallet.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
Yep, all you guys are spot on. I just didn’t realize that the amount of bait a female would use has gone up like that… must be the general decrease in the value of pussy that’s making them work harder to keep guys on the hook.
As Kandahar pointed out, people know whether they WANT each other within the first 60 seconds… I’d say it’s more like the first 1/6th of a second. Nothing about that has changed. What has changed is that guys are getting wiser faster and “breaking orbit” as RoyDal so aptly put it, a lot earlier so females trying to run game on us are having to give up more.
Thanks for the support, fellas. It helps. See you in outer space.
I seen these c~~~s do this before. They give you a taste, then they hope you get hooked, then they use you.
Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.
Anonymous11Prick teasing c~~~. That is very bizarre Doc.
I’ll have to run it by my sister and find out what this really means. Orbiters are very important to them for so many uses. I have one that’ll periodically hit me up to draw me into orbit. I think she does it to make her boyfriend jealous when they fight. Once I picked up on her pattern, I hung up my cleats.
EXTREMELY common and damn near predictable. Not like what you would expect: if her pants come off there will be vagina. No no, the modern 20-something will allow herself to her down to her wet panties, on your bed and when your b~~~~ are blue she whips out: “don’t”….. or “i can’t”….. or “how do I know I can trust you?”…. or “I really don’t want to get hurt again”…. or some such s~~~ with no manners.
You’re not in grade school, and your nut is sacred.
Good time to say “what are you…. 16? I’m better at this game. Get out. I win.” or don’t say a word, put your clothes back on and the moment you reach for the doorknob she will jump you. (this happened to me) That’s when you say “no means no” and DEFINITELY leave unless you want to make the front page tomorrow. She may break out all kind of emotional terrorism, but “no means no – when a man says it” is a dig you can leave her with while feeling really good about yourself.
“I really have to have sex tonight. And it won’t be with you.”. Then exit.
Bitches like this can stay home and play with their Barbie dolls. You can tell her that you only date WOMEN… and she shouldn’t date men if she’s gonna treat him like he’s 15. Get yourself a 15 year old boyfriend, honey, and you can play puppy dog and owner until sunrise.
And PS.. don’t fall for the delayed text “i really wanted you to pin me down and just f~~~ me. Too bad you couldn’t tell”. That’s what mine tried after this stunt, to which I replied: “When you make me a lasagna, I’ll think about it. Until then, what you want is off the f~~~ing table”.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Always a good read, KeyMaster. A female like that would have to go back to school to learn how to make a lasagne. S~~~, you could have said “Bring me a burrito from Taco Bell and we’ll talk…” and still gotten nothing but crickets chirping.
I’ll tell you the truth, boys… this one went above and beyond all that on me. Here’s the story. I was ready to have it out with her so I did what I usually do in these cases… brought her along with me to a very nice restaurant I wanted to go to then enjoyed a delicious meal while I put the screws to her with regard to her s~~~ty behavior. I had the escargot, truffled gnocchi and veal Wellington and she got something she couldn’t even eat because I was hitting her with both barrels the entire dinner.
Basically I told her that she had to answer once and for all for the bulls~~~ go stop go crap that she’d been pulling on me and laid it out for her in a matrix as such: either you don’t want me and won’t f~~~ me in which case you’re a prick tease attention whore, you don’t want me and WILL f~~~ me just to get at my stuff in which case you’d be an actual whore, you want me and will f~~~ me in which case we’re on the top floor of a very large hotel or you want me but WON’T f~~~ me in which case you need to talk to Dr. Phil. Hey, this duck you ordered is delicious!
While she sat there and twitched from what I can only assume is the cognitive dissonance of knowing you’ve been busted but still somehow thinking you’re going to get away, I finished my dinner, ordered coffee and then belched and scratched myself until I was satisfied that she was not going to answer the question. The closest she came to an answer was “it will probably happen eventually” which is the least sexy thing I’ve heard all week (and I’ve been to two doctor’s appointments to discuss a possible surgery!)
Then came the fun part… I took her downstairs to the roof deck lounge, ordered us a couple of rounds of c~~~tails and acted like the entire conversation (monologue, more like) had never happened. Thinking she was off the hook she did precisely the following: drank three c~~~tails, flirted briefly with some drunk idiot who I promptly shut down, talked to me about her problems, asked for my advice about her job, lost her sweater, tried to order another round after I’d closed the tab (and presumably had to pay for her drink herself) then rode back to my house with me (where her car was parked), came inside, made us two more c~~~tails, came on to me, jumped into my arms with her legs around me, told me to take her to bed, got out of her panties and then passed out.
Now gentlemen, I submit to you that I was unfairly presented with a choice that many men in my position would have made poorly. Being not only a decent human being but also of sound mind and protective of my rights and freedoms, I made the correct choice which was to put her underwear back on (inside out) and go to sleep.
In the morning I woke up and prepared for my day as though she weren’t there and when she did wake up and noticed I wasn’t noticing her, she took offense. I walked her back to the kitchen, sat her on the counter, looked her in the eyes and told her why her underwear wasn’t on straight. Then I walked her to her car and sent her packing.
Now I hear some of you thinking that I spent money, bought drinks risked this or that… yeah, I am fully aware. But I am a cruel bastard and my strategy was this: to mind f~~~ her with velvet gloves on. I already knew the score so there was nothing to gain or lose, I just wanted her to see the difference between a man with taste, style, class and self respect and a s~~~bird who will end up hitting the wall at full speed, if she even survives the drugs, alcohol and miles of blackout drunk dicking she’s going to get on her way to it.
Hopefully she’ll never be able to enjoy a French restaurant, and that, my friends, will be payback enough for me. And if another troubled man or scheming female happened to hear and observe the live and very public plucking and skinning I gave her, all the better.
I Met a Chic like that awhile back in which she gave me some upside down f~~~ed up signals, I finally didn’t give in to her bulls~~~ and stop replying her texts and didn’t answer her phone calls once I was told “I’m not feeling horny right now”…..Ummm Really cause about 5 mins ago you were grabbing my Dick!, picked my s~~~ up, and left. Then about 3 days later, I had some naked text from her standing in front of a mirror.
That’s when I knew…..
She was a c~~~-tease, plain and simple.
I had to see past the bulls~~~ signals she was giving me, and finally just didn’t have anything to do with her. I hate c~~~-tease bitches. Most often times, you’ll come to find that girls who are good at the c~~~ tease are girls who were sexually active by the age 12, maybe younger – no joke. They’ve fine tuned the art of manipulation before their senior year of high school, and have had more ass then a toilet.
"If You have the Tooth of a Whale, You must have the Whale's Jaw to hold it". (i.e. One Must have the right qualifications for leadership) -Hawaiian Proverb
So I’ve been hanging out with this female who is in her mid-twenties…
It sounds like you need a class session of Leykis 101.
KeyMaster made some great points as well.
If you are just PUAing and just looking to bang, you never hang out with women, no coffee dates, no lunches, no group outings, we only date women, we meet them for drinks, dinner(try to meet after if possible to save money), anything at night that can lead to sex.
Have the b~~~~ to make it a date, if she wants to do friendzone stuff, kick her aside. If she hasn’t banged you by the third date, DTB Dump That Bitch, her attraction for you and interest level are too low, she has no intention of sleeping with you and you are viewed as a beta provider at this point in time.
The only solution I found for myself was to spit out the hook, break orbit, and migrate.
Because in order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive.
I’m familiar with Leykis 101. When I say “hanging out” I don’t mean “going shopping at the mall with” or “meeting for coffee”. Met her at a bar at first (she was with some other dude) and got her info, next meeting was for dinner and a s~~~ ton of drinks at the bar next door to the restaurant, next at my house for dinner, drinks and messing around… that’s my usual plan.
It was when it became clear that she was willing to grope and make out but not get naked that I started to call her out and it culminated with the story I related earlier.
The point wasn’t “how do I get a woman to f~~~ me” because believe me, that’s not the problem… the point was “I didn’t realize chicks would go as far as this one did and then pull the hand brake”. My rule is “you don’t come to my house after dark and eat my food and drink my booze, come on to me and make out with me (she always made the first move) then hit the All Stop button when I start to undress you.” That’s just some bulls~~~… that’s how girls get raped and I’m just not interested in being put in that situation.
So yeah, we!re done and it’s back into the trenches.
Okay, for anyone who gives a damn, I finally figured this one out. It took some time and some brainwork, but from where I stand now, it seems this female in question is what they would call “asexual”.
No, it doesn’t mean she reproduces by budding like a plant… it means that she has some sort of early developmental trauma that makes sexual activity with the eyes open and the lights on repellent to her. Maybe she got f~~~ed by an uncle or someone shagged her rotten and left her by the roadside or some such… but the end result is that she is incapable of accepting sexual advances, responding to them in a positive way and expressing herself sexually with another human being on a conscious, meaningful level.
i.e. she’s broken
How I came to figure this out is a long story but suffice to say it invokes her use of a few very specific keywords and just general sleuthery… But I am of the opinion now that someone done her wrong in the past and she’s now incapable of having sexual relations with decent people under normal circumstances. It doesn’t change anything but it explains everything.
Ladies and gentlemen, if you are incapable of connecting with another human being on a sexual level, you have a responsibility to express this fact verbally, clearly and uncompromisingly with any other person who may approach you with interest. You do not have the right to attempt to create a “sexless intimate relationship” with them or to withhold sex from them without explanation or to make them feel undesired, used or otherwise taken advantage of just because you have limits you must observe. It’s your responsibility to tell them directly and clearly that you want to be close to them but that you can not desire sex and will reject their sexual advances and that it will be up to them to accept your limits and control their desire, regardless of your actions. You do not have the right to come on to them and then shut them down. Learn how to communicate your needs and boundaries and let the rest of us decid for ourselves whether or not this is something we can accept into our lives.
The mention of women having to turn up their game because they sense guys aren’t getting as easily drawn into her games makes me think of something a co-worker told me about his female cousin. She is apparently late 30s and “hot” according to him. She owns a couple cell phone stores, so apparently makes a decent living. She told him she finds dating frustrating because men don’t want to pay for dinner, drinks etc. – basically guys don’t want to romance her and blow a wad of cash on her – because the guys simply want sex. I laughed. I love hearing modern women frustrated that we men aren’t giving into their silly games to get our wallets.
The way to avoid this is to escalate quickly, within an hour of the first time you two meet, in order to test her response. If she responds well, continue to hang out with her. If she doesn’t, bail and delete her number. There is never a reason to go on 3 dates without knowing whether the woman is actually interested.
"No price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself."--Nietzche
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRrr-UvS6SMThe way to avoid this is to escalate quickly, within an hour of the first time you two meet, in order to test her response. If she responds well, continue to hang out with her. If she doesn’t, bail and delete her number. There is never a reason to go on 3 dates without knowing whether the woman is actually interested.
Sounds like typical PUA advice in that it assumes that, if I am approaching a female, I am already certain of my intention to f~~~ her, Now this may come as a shock, but this is not always true, I will approach a female I find to be superficially attractive, but I require more than that for a sexual relationship to take place so I am not going to “escalate quickly” because I need to know a few things about a female before deciding if I want to stick my dick in her.
“What’s to know?” You might ask… “She’s hot and you f~~~ her, that’s it.” you might say. Well that’s fine for you if it’s what you do, but it’s not enough for me..
I’m also not going to push through a female’s defenses (which is what PUA strategies appear to be all about)). I recognize there will be some feigned resistance in most cases and I’m adept enough to manage rolling through a yield sign, but when I come to a flashing red stop, I’m done. Grab your s~~~, baby, you’re going home.
What made this situation different to my previous experience is that she basically had her feet on the gas and the brakes at the same time. Now that I’ve seen it, I can adapt to it and no worse for the wear. The reason I’m sharing it with everyone here is because it marks a new water level for me regarding how far females will go to keep a guy on the track and I thought it might be interesting to others as well.
Again, had you done what I suggested, you would have saved yourself a ton of time and effort. If she isn’t genuinely interested, then you are nothing to a woman besides either useful or invisible. So even if your intention was to get to know her first, you STILL need to know whether she is legitimately interested in you–and the way to do that is to escalate fast and see what happens. That doesn’t mean try to f~~~ her, but you have to touch her somehow or escalate the vibe in order to test her response. If I don’t get a good reaction to touching the girl or dancing with her or whatever, then my intentions don’t matter because she isn’t interested…so I NEXT and forget ever meeting her.
Women know within 5 minutes of meeting you what role they can see you playing in their lives.
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