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Having become fairly recently MGTOW (although I’ve been working on it for quite some time), I continue to experience various revelations and epiphanies, and often walk around in a state of some shock. That said, I do feel freer than I have . . . perhaps ever.
Walking around my childhood village, destroyed by greed, tonight . . . it occurred to me that my female friendships have always been of a rather different timbre than my males ones. I always was aware that sexuality was at least in the background of many of these friendships . . . and now realize that it was “in the background” as a control mechanism and manipulative technique. (*beating head against desk*).
I stopped talking to my oldest friend about three years ago. I had known her since I was a child of eight or nine, when our parents, who worked together, introduced us. I carried a torch for her for many years, and was quite cheerfully manipulated by her for much of that time. She was all kinds of crazy, and I never pushed the relationship too hard past the friend zone (allegedly I could have, which is probably true) because she was just too goddamn nuts. In her late teens / early twenties, she became a stripper, dated drug dealers and awful people that she didn’t want rescuing from, and one of them knocked her up in her mid-twenties. She had twins, and then kept me around circling the black hole that is her soul, I think largely as a cruel goad and torture to her husband. About three years ago she had a tantrum over, of all things, a Facebook post. My ‘correct’ (and habituated) response was to then beg for her forgiveness and continue things. My actual response that time – perhaps my first steps to MGTOW – was to decide I was tired of three decades of drama and chaos, and needed a break. Somehow I never decided to return from that break.
Since taking the Red Pill and pulling the hood off of my own head, I’ve come to the awful, awful realization that all of my female friendships have been exactly the same as my female amorous relationships. All of them. Without exception (I cannot speak for acquaintanceships, in which no closeness occurs). Obviously, my lifetime total of friendships is limited, and I’m curious as to whether others have had similar !Aha! experiences upon taking the Red Pill. I realized this tonight, and am still somewhat in shock, although I’m not sure why.
"You can either love women, or understand women. You can't do both. Because once you understand women, you realize that there is really nothing to love."
Anonymous5Yes, same here.
I went down that road quite a few times.
Like you, the essential factor in the deception was my own dishonesty to myself.Some of the women reacted with shaming tactics which turned toxic when they realised the game was really up.
Some went to tears, which also turned toxic when they realised the game was really up, haha!There was only ever one that I was in love with but I used to convince myself it was some type of celestial love above the groin.
I look back and I don’t regret 90% of the time I was around her. The platonic nature of the friendship served me well at the time.
That one went particularly psycho over a number of weeks when I said we were done but she was just upset about what she was losing.I haven’t played “Friends” with any woman since but I like some conversation with some women as long as it’s public, I don’t like speaking with any women privately unless there’s business at hand.
Women will play you as a friend and exploit you mercilessly for the attention and desire they crave.
They’ll cruelly play you till the end of time if you allow it,,,,and they’ll lie about not knowing you want them.Yeah, I have. There were a few who always texted me or called me over. Basically I was their emotional tampon. I wouldn’t say I was a mangina or white knight, but they’d talk to me like one of their girlfriends and just talk talk talk. I got the “You’re such a good listener” line thrown at me a bunch. And it would be over the same s~~~. Every break up, there I was being the shoulder to cry on. Until one day my girlfriend and I broke up, and I wanted to talk about it. She was too busy. Not a day later she called me up, her and her bf got into a huge argument and she wanted to gush. I said no. She said I was soooooo selfish, after I had been there for her a dozen times, and her not once. And I said no after that. A couple of my buddies decided “Wow, these bitches are crazy. Not just a few of them, but all of them.” This was the beginning of my redpill stage in high school. And after that, she tried to tease me with sex and I said no, I was done being her shoulder to cry on, I was done hanging out, and done with her. Last I heard she found some other piece of s~~~. I don’t really care. They all want to USE you for something or another. If it’s not money, it’s to be an emotional tampon. F~~~ em, and good call by you.
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Anonymous18I’m curious as to whether others have had similar !Aha! experiences upon taking the Red Pill
My aha moments usually come from how undecided women are. I seldom argue with women. Or disagree. It’s better to do the ignore-mode.
Once in a while I take on a woman’s point of views. And she always backtracks, justifies her contradictions with more contradictions, and acts like she is the one who schooled me.
The delusions are heavy on some of them.
I have female relatives. That’s enough.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
FEMALE FRIENDS *DO NOT EXIST
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The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity. --Einstein
To be a friend, one has to have and show true empathy towards other individuals. Unfortunately, western women have been brainwashed with princess mentality to the point they are so self-centered, spoiled, and narcissistic, that they lack the ability to have, let alone show, true empathy towards another person.
I have female relatives. That’s enough.
Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.
Like you, the essential factor in the deception was my own dishonesty to myself.
I was sufficiently brainwashed into thinking that a “soulmate” was a thing (“beshert”, loosely and sort-of, in Judaism) that existed, that I spent much of my social time looking for that imaginary thing. I also had friendships with women because part of the mythos is that sometimes friendships become love (rather than simply utility and service). In retrospect, I spent much of my childhood and adulthood lonely. I tended to do the “gerbil reflex” whereupon my current relationship became my “best friend” – a friendship with a clock ever-ticking, and a friendship that mercilessly drove away any current friends or acquaintances to replace them with her own. I go for a lot of long walks nowadays, and it’s humbling to realize just how much effort was spent on this during my life. It is frighteningly freeing to see things as they are. We are a dimorphous species, and women do not think the same way that men do. We seem to be programmed that way, and writers have commented on this for as long as we’ve had writing. I spent time and effort on “relationships” from an early age rather than friendships. Given the mangina / blue pill / normie world we live in, I am not convinced that my returns would have been wildly different regardless, but I am trying to learn from these mistakes without becoming too melancholy over them.
It is nevertheless ***stunning*** to think about how much effort I put into female friendships and relationships, all of which followed one, singular path that mirrors the path of every male-female friendship and relationship since the 1960s.
It is *astonishing* how much more free time I have now that I am not looking for a relationship, nor looking for friendships among women or blue-pillers. Having removed the hood from my own head, I see the Statist, economically doomed civilization we live in. It is interesting viewing things accurately. Very often frightening, but usually good. I talk long walks from my childhood home, and whenever I leave the front court (Miami = crime = walls and gates) I have to steel myself to exit and go into the street. I have to force myself to go outside for a long walk (I’m not agoraphobic in any other way). It is simply that walking o’er the streets I used to trod, alone, where I am yet again alone, is troubling and disturbing. Not so much because I am alone now but because I always *was* alone, and a lot of that loneliness was because of my own choice to misinvest time and activity pursuing women, chasing one particular girl, and pursuing friendships with women. It is strange walking streets and being alone after several decades of effort. Very, very odd. Humbling and maddening . . . but it was far, far worse before I understood what was going on or why I had always been so miserable.
These are shadowed times. Again, it is nice to have removed the hood from my own head.
"You can either love women, or understand women. You can't do both. Because once you understand women, you realize that there is really nothing to love."
FEMALE FRIENDS *DO NOT EXIST
Quite correct words there, MalfunctionNeedInput. Just recently I ditched another such female aquaintance of FB who out of the blue happened to contact me again more than a year after I had deleted her from my “friends” list and guess why… … because she needed a favor from me for her other female friend, yeah right. In a bit more than a year when I still had her on my “friends” list she hardly ever contacted me whatsoever, so eventually I deleted her from said list, simply because my list there wants to be a true friends list and not a dummy friends list and that’s how I kept it for most of the time. Well so I received a message from her kind of like: “Hi there, hmm it seems you somehow slipped off my friends list. Anyway there is a friend of mine who needs your help (unpaid by the way) now could you maybe bla bla bla …..?”
Soon after I responded: “No, I can’t help out and besides you are actually quite mistaken. It wasn’t me who “somehow slipped off” your friends list but it was quite the other way ’round –> I deleted you from mine, since you never contacted me in a long time for any specific reasonable reason, so in order to keep my real friends list the way I do, from time to time I do a little cleanup within it myself, thank you very much…”
Her response obviously was a mixture of belittling me and saying sorry and at the same time re-justifying herself as to why she wouldn’t have had any time (too busy, yeah right…) to ever even quickly contact me with a one-liner like: “Hi there, how are you doing XYZ..?”
Anyway damn, that felt good. But now it’s getting better yet.
Very recently another female friend, who I wasn’t even in a relationship with (though she was into me), who quite a long while ago tried to shame-dump me, but again I was quicker then her to just walk away from her even after which she only resorted to yet more blunt shaming than anything else, well she recently contacted me again as well more than one and a half years after this happened, so now there’s some monkey branching attempt looming around the corner (that is the same cameltoe, who I described under my favorite redpill in my profile by the way…).
Anyway, the way she tried to covertly shame me this time ’round was via a video that she recorded dropping all sorts of hints aimed straight at me and my “oh so bad past behavior” and I couldn’t even help myself laughing loudly when I saw that.
Now needless to say she must be quite desperate (being the kind of unmarried-no-kids-post-wall-cougar-type that she is anyroad) and chose just the right timing to do this in the run up to X-mas. I mean, what is it with women and christmas all the time that they suddenly get all sentimental and pulling s~~~ off like that..?
Well, so quite soon I am going to respond with some very few words before posting the albatross video on youtube that we also reviewed on here before and nothing else… I am wondering what kind of next shaming stunt she might pull out of her sleeve then…? But whatever it will be I won’t respond with anything else after that since I already will have said enough to her, good riddance, cougar-woman.
I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC
FEMALE FRIENDS *DO NOT EXIST
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I honestly, have no idea how any man can possibly think a female can be a friend. It boggles my mind.
Even more mind-boggling is, how can any man WANT a female ‘friend’?
This is honestly one of life’s mysteries that never ceases to amaze me.
There is one ‘man’ I know, and thinking of his life just pains me. One day I might push through the pain to describe his life but at the moment, every time I think about it, I just envisage pain and suffering beyond measure.
I think from the age of 18 I had well and truly determined that female ‘friends’ were simply not to be entertained.
If you are friends with a woman and you are not f~~~ing her then you are a beta orbiter. She is keeping you around as you are of use to her when she needs you as an emotional tampon/lend her money/entertain her/fix her car/Do DIY/fix her computer etc.
Do you think the Alphas put up with any of this s~~~? If they are not getting sex then they don’t want to know, plus they are getting sex without having to do any of this s~~~.
It is not the woman’s fault you are in the friends zone, it is your own fault for putting pussy on a pedestal and believing that she will realise just how wonderful you are and f~~~ you if you are nice to her. The reality is, she will spend the whole day moaning to you what an asshole her boyfriend is and then drop you to go off and f~~~ him if he sends her one text message.
For women, everything eventually boils down to Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.
No this is not his f***in fault. You are so over your heels because you experienced something other people are yet to experience. Listen – all social programming, media, movies, books, teachers in secondary, primary, high school are doing one thing. This thing is to make males believe in this bulls~~~, and think that for example by providing service to female she will reward him with pussy. Obviously this is only aimed to make it easier for women to extract services for free.
But how in the hell can you blame him for not guessing that all he was taught his entire life about women is a lie? How can you blame him that he don’t experienced something you did and therefore fall for s~~~ you don’t fall for? It is like blaming 8 years old boy that he is not able to lift as much as you or blaming 16 years old that earns less than you.
In my opinion Won’t Get Fooled Again you commented this to prove to yourself that men are responsible for all evil that women do because you still want to believe in a dream that women are angels, so you are trying to rationalize it this way.
Please stop attacking brothers, help them if you want with your wisdom. But stop blaming men for believing in lie that was injected into them since they were born. Better show them the truth, and help them accept it.
You used me
To get ya anything you wanted
Oh...but I'm a changed man
It's your other friend that gets ya what you want now,,Bad Influence"
Robert CrayNo this is not his f***in fault. You are so over your heels because you experienced something other people are yet to experience. Listen – all social programming, media, movies, books, teachers in secondary, primary, high school are doing one thing. This thing is to make males believe in this bulls~~~, and think that for example by providing service to female she will reward him with pussy. Obviously this is only aimed to make it easier for women to extract services for free.
But how in the hell can you blame him for not guessing that all he was taught his entire life about women is a lie? How can you blame him that he don’t experienced something you did and therefore fall for s~~~ you don’t fall for? It is like blaming 8 years old boy that he is not able to lift as much as you or blaming 16 years old that earns less than you.
In my opinion Won’t Get Fooled Again you commented this to prove to yourself that men are responsible for all evil that women do because you still want to believe in a dream that women are angels, so you are trying to rationalize it this way.
Please stop attacking brothers, help them if you want with your wisdom. But stop blaming men for believing in lie that was injected into them since they were born. Better show them the truth, and help them accept it.
You make a very good point and I apologise for blaming the original poster rather than trying to show them the truth. I admit that I believed in this lie until my divorce when I finally took the red pill and saw the world as it really is.
Looking back, what amazes me is how some people just see the truth for themselves from an early age, and others like myself need to have our lives destroyed by a woman before we wake up and see the world as it really is.
The majority of people I come into contact with on a day to day basis are blue pill and believe 100% the lies that they have been fed since they have born. They will be happy to be blue pill and put women on a pedestal and will even blame themselves for the inevitable divorce unless they make the discovery that something doesn’t add up and find the red pill for themselves.
I was chatting to a 26 year old family acquaintance at the weekend who I would describe as Alpha and his understanding of the Red Pill world just blew my mind. I could not comprehend how someone so young and who hadn’t been divorced could understand just how the world really worked. Then I realised that he had been let into the inner circle so knew exactly how women thought, and just how easy it was for him to get sex from 8, 9 and 10 out of 10 women.
All of the women he was friends with were hot and he was boning ever single one of them without having to put any effort into having a relationship with them. These women would have obviously had a heap of blue pill orbiters, yet he was f~~~ing all of them without having to use any of the blue pill tactics we have all been brought up to believe.
He certainly did not put the pussy on the pedestal, had no time for a relationship and obviously realised that there was an endless line of hot women out there so why stick with one?
For women, everything eventually boils down to Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.
No this is not his f***in fault. You are so over your heels because you experienced something other people are yet to experience. Listen – all social programming, media, movies, books, teachers in secondary, primary, high school are doing one thing. This thing is to make males believe in this bulls~~~, and think that for example by providing service to female she will reward him with pussy. Obviously this is only aimed to make it easier for women to extract services for free.
But how in the hell can you blame him for not guessing that all he was taught his entire life about women is a lie? How can you blame him that he don’t experienced something you did and therefore fall for s~~~ you don’t fall for? It is like blaming 8 years old boy that he is not able to lift as much as you or blaming 16 years old that earns less than you.
In my opinion Won’t Get Fooled Again you commented this to prove to yourself that men are responsible for all evil that women do because you still want to believe in a dream that women are angels, so you are trying to rationalize it this way.
Please stop attacking brothers, help them if you want with your wisdom. But stop blaming men for believing in lie that was injected into them since they were born. Better show them the truth, and help them accept it.
Interesting point. But what about the various posters who say that women are just like children? If, what they say is true, then how could you blame the woman for causing the man’s pain? To use your analogy, it would be like blaming an 8 year old for breaking something that the adult left out to be broken.
Isn’t MGTOW about coming to the realisation that the man is literally ‘the better man’? And the better man walks away?
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