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Knowing how to deal with the hungry animal, eliminates the fear.
Fear is ignorance.In a way, this is true. However, since we are not capable of knowing everything, we are incapable of eliminating all ignorance, and thus cannot full eliminate fear. Even then, knowing about something does not equate to being able to control it and thus eliminate fear. Some things comes down to risk, and therefore should come with a certain level of fear.
Take Steve Irwin, the Crocodile Hunter, for example. Did he know how to handle sting rays? Yes. Was he afraid? I doubt it. And yet he was still killed by one as there was always going to be some level of risk.
And of course, past decisions made in ignorance can effect future events that you may now fear. A man may get married with no fear of divorce, and then 5 years later when divorce is a real possibility he wants to avoid, no longer has the ability to stop it. The inevitably of an outcome doesn’t mean acceptance without fear.
Ok. Then do it.
This is why I have believe this forum is full of idiots.I am arguing that balance eliminates fear. If one is arguing balance, by default the argument is above and below other arguments at the same time.If a man pursues balance, he knows he is both better and worse than not just certain people but even this is relative to certain facets of the individual and not the individual as a whole.Here is my argument:1. I have been afraid before.2. Fear can be overcome.3. This requires putting the scenario in perspective and seeing both extremes in it.Then I am accused of acting like a machine, being inhuman, nihilistic, placing myself above others, etc.Is their something I am missing?
So why are you here then, if we are all idiots? Makes absolutely no sense why you would want to be on a place full of idiots!Balance? Tell that to your brain! Your brain chemistry does not give A SINGLE F~~~ to your balance. When s~~~ hits the fan, the body responds without your consent. The hormones dropped in your blood stream do not ask you if you feel fear or not, they do not give a f~~~ if you think you can control it or not, it will pump adrenaline like mad from your kidneys into your blood stream, because that is how your brain reacts to that, in an unconscious level.
What you can overcome with a s~~~ load of training, is YOUR RESPONSE to fear. Is that so hard to understand?What you are missing is that you want to look like fearless and that you do not give a s~~~, and for WHAT, I ask? What is your purpose on trying so hard to deny that you feel fear, a perfectly NATURAL reaction of every single living being on the planet, pushing that bulls~~~ that “balance” makes you free of fear? And even telling the case of the guy with the mallet and you telling him to “f~~~ing do it” and all that bulls~~~?Again, this is not a p~~~ing contest. Nor should be. You took it as such, I am pushing you to the BIOLOGICAL reality of this s~~~.
But you know what? Sure cupcake. Whatever floats your boat! If you feel like fearless, it must be true!Just dont go running when s~~~ really hits the fan, alright?Great!My point that fear can be over come is proven by your brothers who committed acts of valor to save eachother. They set the example relative to your framework of life.
Even the samurai, you seem to honor, overcame there fears.
Standards have been set.
There are other examples relative to other frameworks of life as well.
You are the one arguing that fear cannot be overcome, which just means you are afraid.
I really dont care, there is no p~~~ing match.
The premises are real simple.
1. People (we will take a more general approach now) have been afraid.
2. People have overcome there fears.
3. Fear must be put into a context.
Knowing how to deal with the hungry animal, eliminates the fear.Fear is ignorance.
In a way, this is true. However, since we are not capable of knowing everything, we are incapable of eliminating all ignorance, and thus cannot full eliminate fear. Even then, knowing about something does not equate to being able to control it and thus eliminate fear. Some things comes down to risk, and therefore should come with a certain level of fear.
Take Steve Irwin, the Crocodile Hunter, for example. Did he know how to handle sting rays? Yes. Was he afraid? I doubt it. And yet he was still killed by one as there was always going to be some level of risk.
And of course, past decisions made in ignorance can effect future events that you may now fear. A man may get married with no fear of divorce, and then 5 years later when divorce is a real possibility he wants to avoid, no longer has the ability to stop it. The inevitably of an outcome doesn’t mean acceptance without fear.The post is about controlling fear, not avoiding death.
Steve understood the animals. In understanding the animals he understood there are facets of unpredictability in there nature. This gave him a complete understanding in what he was not even fully aware of.
This understanding of the animal’s nature helped him to overcome his own fears.
Anonymous38In a way, this is true. However, since we are not capable of knowing everything, we are incapable of eliminating all ignorance, and thus cannot full eliminate fear. Even then, knowing about something does not equate to being able to control it and thus eliminate fear. Some things comes down to risk, and therefore should come with a certain level of fear.
Fear is a response to an unwanted outcome. We fear that which we really do not want (disease, divorce, death and the like). It is a basic response, rooted in emotion, which is a hindrance to corrective action (fear can be a catalyst for corrective/preventative action, but without that emotive fearful response we can get straight to the corrective action without any of the deleterious side-effects that come with fear, such as worry, anxiety and stress). Thus, fear can be transcended. The man who accepts whatever comes, has transcended fear. How fearful are very stupid people vs very intelligent people? There is nothing more to say.
This is why I have believe this forum is full of idiots.I am arguing that balance eliminates fear. If one is arguing balance, by default the argument is above and below other arguments at the same time.If a man pursues balance, he knows he is both better and worse than not just certain people but even this is relative to certain facets of the individual and not the individual as a whole.Here is my argument:1. I have been afraid before.2. Fear can be overcome.3. This requires putting the scenario in perspective and seeing both extremes in it.Then I am accused of acting like a machine, being inhuman, nihilistic, placing myself above others, etc.Is their something I am missing?
So why are you here then, if we are all idiots? Makes absolutely no sense why you would want to be on a place full of idiots!Balance? Tell that to your brain! Your brain chemistry does not give A SINGLE F~~~ to your balance. When s~~~ hits the fan, the body responds without your consent. The hormones dropped in your blood stream do not ask you if you feel fear or not, they do not give a f~~~ if you think you can control it or not, it will pump adrenaline like mad from your kidneys into your blood stream, because that is how your brain reacts to that, in an unconscious level.What you can overcome with a s~~~ load of training, is YOUR RESPONSE to fear. Is that so hard to understand?What you are missing is that you want to look like fearless and that you do not give a s~~~, and for WHAT, I ask? What is your purpose on trying so hard to deny that you feel fear, a perfectly NATURAL reaction of every single living being on the planet, pushing that bulls~~~ that “balance” makes you free of fear? And even telling the case of the guy with the mallet and you telling him to “f~~~ing do it” and all that bulls~~~?Again, this is not a p~~~ing contest. Nor should be. You took it as such, I am pushing you to the BIOLOGICAL reality of this s~~~.But you know what? Sure cupcake. Whatever floats your boat! If you feel like fearless, it must be true!Just dont go running when s~~~ really hits the fan, alright?Great!
My point that fear can be over come is proven by your brothers who committed acts of valor to save eachother. They set the example relative to your framework of life.
Even the samurai, you seem to honor, overcame there fears.
Standards have been set.
There are other examples relative to other frameworks of life as well.
You are the one arguing that fear cannot be overcome, which just means you are afraid.
I really dont care, there is no p~~~ing match.
The premises are real simple.
1. People (we will take a more general approach now) have been afraid.
2. People have overcome there fears.
3. Fear must be put into a context.Holy f~~~ing Kannon of the 1000 arms… The stupidity is off the charts.
They committed acts of valor to save each other NOT because they were NOT afraid of the situation, but because their FEAR of losing a brother was STRONGER AND DEEPER than the fear of dying themselves. Also, because you are FULLY COMMITTED to protect the life of the man right beside you.
Samurais NEVER overcame their fears, they still feared Death, the spirits of their ancestors in their anger against their wrong-doings, the wrath of the Shogun and to fail their lords. In order to be able to concentrate on their tasks, they endured hard training, they endured the fear of death by accepting that they were no more than a killing machine, in service of their Lords. Above all, a man of the Yamato house feared to lose their Lord, due to his failure to protect him, or the failure of others to do so, and become a Ronin. This was the ULTIMATE fear, in the eyes of a samurai.
I suggest you start Reading Hagakure, then Reading Go Rin no Sho, and take Kendo lessons. Then you will START to grasp the concept.
After that, please, take a tour to a warzone, or hell, just go to where veterans are meeting, and simply ask them about their fears, and ask them if they think they overcame their fears. You will be in for a treat, I guarantee you."Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.
This is why I have believe this forum is full of idiots.I am arguing that balance eliminates fear. If one is arguing balance, by default the argument is above and below other arguments at the same time.If a man pursues balance, he knows he is both better and worse than not just certain people but even this is relative to certain facets of the individual and not the individual as a whole.Here is my argument:1. I have been afraid before.2. Fear can be overcome.3. This requires putting the scenario in perspective and seeing both extremes in it.Then I am accused of acting like a machine, being inhuman, nihilistic, placing myself above others, etc.Is their something I am missing?
So why are you here then, if we are all idiots? Makes absolutely no sense why you would want to be on a place full of idiots!Balance? Tell that to your brain! Your brain chemistry does not give A SINGLE F~~~ to your balance. When s~~~ hits the fan, the body responds without your consent. The hormones dropped in your blood stream do not ask you if you feel fear or not, they do not give a f~~~ if you think you can control it or not, it will pump adrenaline like mad from your kidneys into your blood stream, because that is how your brain reacts to that, in an unconscious level.What you can overcome with a s~~~ load of training, is YOUR RESPONSE to fear. Is that so hard to understand?What you are missing is that you want to look like fearless and that you do not give a s~~~, and for WHAT, I ask? What is your purpose on trying so hard to deny that you feel fear, a perfectly NATURAL reaction of every single living being on the planet, pushing that bulls~~~ that “balance” makes you free of fear? And even telling the case of the guy with the mallet and you telling him to “f~~~ing do it” and all that bulls~~~?Again, this is not a p~~~ing contest. Nor should be. You took it as such, I am pushing you to the BIOLOGICAL reality of this s~~~.But you know what? Sure cupcake. Whatever floats your boat! If you feel like fearless, it must be true!Just dont go running when s~~~ really hits the fan, alright?Great!
My point that fear can be over come is proven by your brothers who committed acts of valor to save eachother. They set the example relative to your framework of life.Even the samurai, you seem to honor, overcame there fears.Standards have been set.There are other examples relative to other frameworks of life as well.You are the one arguing that fear cannot be overcome, which just means you are afraid.I really dont care, there is no p~~~ing match.The premises are real simple.1. People (we will take a more general approach now) have been afraid.2. People have overcome there fears.3. Fear must be put into a context.
Holy f~~~ing Kannon of the 1000 arms… The stupidity is off the charts.
They committed acts of valor to save each other NOT because they were NOT afraid of the situation, but because their FEAR of losing a brother was STRONGER AND DEEPER than the fear of dying themselves. Also, because you are FULLY COMMITTED to protect the life of the man right beside you.
Samurais NEVER overcame their fears, they still feared Death, the spirits of their ancestors in their anger against their wrong-doings, the wrath of the Shogun and to fail their lords. In order to be able to concentrate on their tasks, they endured hard training, they endured the fear of death by accepting that they were no more than a killing machine, in service of their Lords. Above all, a man of the Yamato house feared to lose their Lord, due to his failure to protect him, or the failure of others to do so, and become a Ronin. This was the ULTIMATE fear, in the eyes of a samurai.
I suggest you start Reading Hagakure, then Reading Go Rin no Sho, and take Kendo lessons. Then you will START to grasp the concept.After that, please, take a tour to a warzone, or hell, just go to where veterans are meeting, and simply ask them about their fears, and ask them if they think they overcame their fears. You will be in for a treat, I guarantee you.The men took the fear, gave it order, and projected it into an action beyond themselves. They owned it. Whatever fear they felt/feel they overcame in many respects. It did not own them. I don’t care what they claim they feel when there actions speak louder than words.
They felt,feel fear and they overcame it.
All your examples just prove they took their fear and inverted it into something other than what it was.
Yeah I had friends and relatives who were vets, they seemed plagued about the pain of the events deeply. Tormented.
I am ironically surprised you mentioned the kendo specifically because from personal experience I know you are wrong. I practiced it with 6 ft staffs no protective gear. Focus, technique and an empty mind helped me more than anything. Even after being struck in the face and almost recieving stitches, I frankly did not care. The other dude freaked the f~~~ out, If I had to go for stitches I would care, because it sucks and is expensive. But even that is just a pain of inconvenience.
And it is not a macho thing, or “grrr I am a man”. It is just a low grade practice of overcoming oneself.
Get struck, modify technique, and go again.
I think you are confusing fear and the fact it can be directed, and canceled out when it is directed, for the same thing.
1. Feel fear.
2. Direct fear.
3. Fear is overcome.
It’s a habit. Feel fear. Direct it. It is overcome as boundaries are given to it.
The men took the fear, gave it order, and projected it into an action beyond themselves. They owned it. Whatever fear they felt/feel they overcame in many respects. It did not own them. I don’t care what they claim they feel when there actions speak louder than words.
They felt,feel fear and they overcame it.
All your examples just prove they took their fear and inverted it into something other than what it was.
Yeah I had friends and relatives who were vets, they seemed plagued about the pain of the events deeply. Tormented.Yeah, right… They took one fear, and replaced it with another fear even greater, but sure, they “conquered” their fear.
And, they got everything so orderly, but so orderly, that they got deeply tormented, really plagued by such “orderly” events… Clearly a show of mathematical and utter universal symmetry, right? RIGHT?I am ironically surprised you mentioned the kendo specifically because from personal experience I know you are wrong. I practiced it with 6 ft staffs no protective gear. Focus, technique and an empty mind helped me more than anything. Even after being struck in the face and almost recieving stitches, I frankly did not care. The other dude freaked the f~~~ out, If I had to go for stitches I would care, because it sucks and is expensive. But even that is just a pain of inconvenience.
Yeah, mate! That is EXACTLY what kendo is, I do not know how you are not a 9th dan or something. Hell, you should have founded a Ryu or something!
The “order of the 6ft sticks”… what about it? HAve a nice ring to it, right?And it is not a macho thing, or “grrr I am a man”. It is just a low grade practice of overcoming oneself.
Get struck, modify technique, and go again.Sure, sure, Sensei! Duly noted! I will take heed next time, maybe my Ryu was bulls~~~, taught straight from the Japanese Ambassador to Brazil by himself, a 7th dan Kenshi… But, what do he know, right? You know better! Oh, by the way, where do I sign to your Dojo? I am really interested in signin up to such na outstanding master!
I think you are confusing fear and the fact it can be directed, and canceled out when it is directed, for the same thing.
1. Feel fear.
2. Direct fear.
3. Fear is overcome.
It’s a habit. Feel fear. Direct it. It is overcome as boundaries are given to it.Yes, master! I will simply throw away the teachings of the Stoic philosophers, Marcus Aurelius knew NO S~~~ about fear. I mean, who was this Seneca guy, and who did he knew anyway? Huh? Epitectus? Bulls~~~! And f~~~ Zeno of Citium! What did those guys knew about fear anyway? All damned cowards! You know better, master! Is there any book wrote by you, so I can absord those wonderful teachings, my master? I am eager to learn, like everyone here comments on your posts!
"Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.
The men took the fear, gave it order, and projected it into an action beyond themselves. They owned it. Whatever fear they felt/feel they overcame in many respects. It did not own them. I don’t care what they claim they feel when there actions speak louder than words.They felt,feel fear and they overcame it.All your examples just prove they took their fear and inverted it into something other than what it was.Yeah I had friends and relatives who were vets, they seemed plagued about the pain of the events deeply. Tormented.
Yeah, right… They took one fear, and replaced it with another fear even greater, but sure, they “conquered” their fear.And, they got everything so orderly, but so orderly, that they got deeply tormented, really plagued by such “orderly” events… Clearly a show of mathematical and utter universal symmetry, right? RIGHT?
Is it? Most vets, and even the general populace, admit to how poor the vets are treated. They are pushed to the breaking points of a society which will not work with them, give them the respect they deserve (not simple parades, but financial compensation, higher job placement, wifes walking out, etc.).
They overcome one set of demons and when they come home they are perpetually bombarded with more.
Considering the majority of people know that this is how the military is treated, as well as the general confusion of our “homes”, most men don’t join because they don’t see something worth fighting for. Those who join do so out of ignorance and desperation.
Being in “pain” and being in “fear”, are not always the same thing. Given the opportunity, many would go back to fight (not all), but alot from what I have observed. The military uses them up and chucks them out. Then they come home and realize, home is a mess.
I am ironically surprised you mentioned the kendo specifically because from personal experience I know you are wrong. I practiced it with 6 ft staffs no protective gear. Focus, technique and an empty mind helped me more than anything. Even after being struck in the face and almost recieving stitches, I frankly did not care. The other dude freaked the f~~~ out, If I had to go for stitches I would care, because it sucks and is expensive. But even that is just a pain of inconvenience.
Yeah, mate! That is EXACTLY what kendo is, I do not know how you are not a 9th dan or something. Hell, you should have founded a Ryu or something!The “order of the 6ft sticks”… what about it? HAve a nice ring to it, right?
The staff is the one weapon that defeated Musashi, according to some records, and the staff is the first weapon, according to some sources, musashi killed a man with.
Almost had my eye fully split open about 2+ weeks ago. You know what I did? Check if it needed stitches. When I realized it didn’t, I continued and learned not to make that mistake again (which was a stupid one). The other dude freaked out, I knew I was fine, and I did not care.
Kendo does not use staffs, they use wooden/bamboo like, hollow spring like, whatever you want to call them. As well as protective covering. Now I am not arguing to not use protective covering, the risks really mount up with out it, as one blow by a f~~~ up can result in a concussion or serious stitches.
And it is not a macho thing, or “grrr I am a man”. It is just a low grade practice of overcoming oneself.Get struck, modify technique, and go again.
Sure, sure, Sensei! Duly noted! I will take heed next time, maybe my Ryu was bulls~~~, taught straight from the Japanese Ambassador to Brazil by himself, a 7th dan Kenshi… But, what do he know, right? You know better! Oh, by the way, where do I sign to your Dojo? I am really interested in signin up to such na outstanding master!
Save the sarcasm, I am talking about what I learned from the experience(s). It is not a better than or less than “thing”. Fear can be focused, and when it is focused it can be overcome. That is all I am saying. It applies to all of life.
I think you are confusing fear and the fact it can be directed, and canceled out when it is directed, for the same thing.1. Feel fear.2. Direct fear.3. Fear is overcome. It’s a habit. Feel fear. Direct it. It is overcome as boundaries are given to it.
Yes, master! I will simply throw away the teachings of the Stoic philosophers, Marcus Aurelius knew NO S~~~ about fear. I mean, who was this Seneca guy, and who did he knew anyway? Huh? Epitectus? Bulls~~~! And f~~~ Zeno of Citium! What did those guys knew about fear anyway? All damned cowards! You know better, master! Is there any book wrote by you, so I can absord those wonderful teachings, my master? I am eager to learn, like everyone here comments on your posts!
All I am talking about is how fear can be overcome with practice, it is a habit. I am not calling, or even implying, anyone is a coward…at all. Save the projections, they only show me how you see yourself.
Actually I learned much of it from these men:
“If you are distressed by anything external, the pain is not due to the thing itself, but to your estimate of it; and this you have the power to revoke at any moment.”
― Marcus Aurelius, Meditations“Never let the future disturb you. You will meet it, if you have to, with the same weapons of reason which today arm you against the present.”
― Marcus Aurelius, Meditations“It is the power of the mind to be unconquerable.”
― Seneca, The Stoic Philosophy of Seneca: Essays and Letters“What need is there to weep over parts of life? The whole of it calls for tears.”
― Lucius Annaeus Seneca“If you really want to escape the things that harass you, what you’re needing is not to be in a different place but to be a different person.”
― Lucius Annaeus Seneca, Letters from a StoicIt is better for you to be free of fear lying upon a pallet, than to have a golden couch and a rich table and be full of trouble. Epicurus
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/epicurusIt is folly for a man to pray to the gods for that which he has the power to obtain by himself. Epicurus
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/epicurusThe time when most of you should withdraw into yourself is when you are forced to be in a crowd. Epicurus
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/epicurusSave the sarcasm, you come off as pathetic. Everything I learned was from personal f~~~ ups and seeking wisdom from men better than me.
Sure, sure, sweetheart.
Whatever you copy and paste from Marcus Aurelius or Seneca to prove your point, completely out of the contest it was inserted, especially the quotations from the Meditations.
Marcus wrote way more than these lines you are throwing, and yet, here you are… Like if everything he wrote AFTER or BEFORE those excerpts really made no difference… Right!Same as with your “6ft stick Kendo” which somehow makes you an expert in Kendo… Or in Japanese mentality, or even a specialist in how they conducted the whole philosophy behind, as if this was just a not meaningful part of the transmission “teacher-pupil”… Sure, sure… I get it now!
Oh, and about the sarcasm: whatever. I cannot really care about how I “come off”, because that is beyond my control, as it is YOUR interpretation of my words, to which I could not really give less of a flying f~~~.
Anyway, I will cut the chatter. Wasted too much time arguing with you, rocky-head. Bye!
"Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.
Sure, sure, sweetheart.Whatever you copy and paste from Marcus Aurelius or Seneca to prove your point, completely out of the contest it was inserted, especially the quotations from the Meditations.Marcus wrote way more than these lines you are throwing, and yet, here you are… Like if everything he wrote AFTER or BEFORE those excerpts really made no difference… Right!
Same as with your “6ft stick Kendo” which somehow makes you an expert in Kendo… Or in Japanese mentality, or even a specialist in how they conducted the whole philosophy behind, as if this was just a not meaningful part of the transmission “teacher-pupil”… Sure, sure… I get it now!
Oh, and about the sarcasm: whatever. I cannot really care about how I “come off”, because that is beyond my control, as it is YOUR interpretation of my words, to which I could not really give less of a flying f~~~.
Anyway, I will cut the chatter. Wasted too much time arguing with you, rocky-head. Bye!Facepalm.
I read and reread meditations several times, as well as letters from a stoic by Seneca. My books are full of highlights and marked off pages.
Facepalm again.
A 6ft staff is not kendo, however the same or similar type moves can be applied. The applies for escrima etc. A six foot wooden pole to the face is a lot different than a hollow bamboo sword with head gear.
And yes I have read alot of musashi, as well as eastern literature such as the Tao te ching and baghavadgita. Multiple times, notes and all.
It taught me one valuable lesson. When faced with uncertainty, embrace the possibility of my own suffering, and focus it.
This is why I have zero respect for the people on this forum:
John: Fear can be overcome with practice.
Someone else: “I am sorry we are not all machines, and we are below you. What do you think we are all cowards?”
John: uh no. I have been afraid before, but learned that fear can be overcome. It is a habit one has to practice.
Someone else: bulls~~~!
Honestly kenshin, half the time I was paying a compliment to military vets if you actually read some of the stuff. And to you by default. I know they are tormented. But they also give evidence for what people can over come. They deserve alot of respect for their bravery, and they are a proof of what a human being can do given certain circumstances.
This is just pathetic, I mean it really is. It is better to be dead than live a certain way.
Sure, sure, sweetheart.Whatever you copy and paste from Marcus Aurelius or Seneca to prove your point, completely out of the contest it was inserted, especially the quotations from the Meditations.Marcus wrote way more than these lines you are throwing, and yet, here you are… Like if everything he wrote AFTER or BEFORE those excerpts really made no difference… Right!Same as with your “6ft stick Kendo” which somehow makes you an expert in Kendo… Or in Japanese mentality, or even a specialist in how they conducted the whole philosophy behind, as if this was just a not meaningful part of the transmission “teacher-pupil”… Sure, sure… I get it now!Oh, and about the sarcasm: whatever. I cannot really care about how I “come off”, because that is beyond my control, as it is YOUR interpretation of my words, to which I could not really give less of a flying f~~~.Anyway, I will cut the chatter. Wasted too much time arguing with you, rocky-head. Bye!
Facepalm.
I read and reread meditations several times, as well as letters from a stoic by Seneca. My books are full of highlights and marked off pages.
Facepalm again.
A 6ft staff is not kendo, however the same or similar type moves can be applied. The applies for escrima etc. A six foot wooden pole to the face is a lot different than a hollow bamboo sword with head gear.
And yes I have read alot of musashi, as well as eastern literature such as the Tao te ching and baghavadgita. Multiple times, notes and all.
It taught me one valuable lesson. When faced with uncertainty, embrace the possibility of my own suffering, and focus it.
This is why I have zero respect for the people on this forum:
John: Fear can be overcome with practice.
Someone else: “I am sorry we are not all machines, and we are below you. What do you think we are all cowards?”
John: uh no. I have been afraid before, but learned that fear can be overcome. It is a habit one has to practice.
Someone else: bulls~~~!
Honestly kenshin, half the time I was paying a compliment to military vets if you actually read some of the stuff. And to you by default. I know they are tormented. But they also give evidence for what people can over come. They deserve alot of respect for their bravery, and they are a proof of what a human being can do given certain circumstances.
This is just pathetic, I mean it really is. It is better to be dead than live a certain way.You spoke about reading, reading… And it looks like you have not understood a single thing all of that reading should have told you.
A 6ft staff is not kendo, but not because kendo is just screaming and swinging hollow bamboo swords to each other, it goes way beyond that. And you lacked the MOST important part of the trainings, which is etiquette and RESPECT. Specially that one, you lack a lot of it. Starting from that “s~~~posting” of yours because someone rubbed you in the wrong way. Very stoic of you. And that kind of behaviour tells me how much of Stoicism you have actually understood, which is simply nothing.You seem to keen on notes, as if reading and taking notes was something that somehow gave you an extra “edge” over anything. You can’t even grasp what is like to spend DECADES meditating over a SINGLE line or on a koan, which more often than not those initiated in the path of the Martial Arts that went well beyond the moves of such martial art do. I had a 8th Dan sensei tell people that after training for almost 5 DECADES of kendo, he STILL did not grasped the whole idea behind a simple “men”. Same happens with Go Rin no Sho and other books which you constantly tell me you have read, and yet, it is damn clear that you have not applied anything of those into your life. What you lack is something that masters from Seneca do Musashi sensei had extensively told on their teachings: PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE. And when you get tired of practicing, PRACTICE TWICE MORE. Despite fear, despite anything. Musashi sensei wrote that you could not CONQUER fear, altough you could MINIMIZE it by preparing yourself to face the situation as best as you can.
“This is why I have zero respect for the people on this forum:”… And here are your true colors. You have no respect for people on this forum, and yet, here you are, talking, on this forum, with people you do not respect for the sake of what? Attention, probably.
“I know they are tormented. But they also give evidence for what people can over come.”… Sigh. You may write and read, but you do not understand. It is a frivolous task to make you understand.
But here goes another try: They are tormented, because they DID NOT OVERCAME S~~~. They are tormented, because they MAY had put their self-preservation instincts aside for a moment, and have felt a fear that was greater than losing his own life, to save the life of one of his own brother, for he feared more to lose such brother, than his own life. You never felt the brotherhood shared by those who have shed blood with you, for you never served. If you did, you would understand what I am saying.Anyway, I end my contribution here. It is a fruitless task to make you understand, because you don’t. And you do not want to.
To the point of having no respect for the men on this forum, as you have already pointed out in this thread. Twice.
To people like you, John, the empty chair is the only answer I should give. And I should have emptied this chair a long ago.
To any of you, my fellow brothers, I ask for forgiveness. I should have known better to not feed the trolls."Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.
Sure, sure, sweetheart.Whatever you copy and paste from Marcus Aurelius or Seneca to prove your point, completely out of the contest it was inserted, especially the quotations from the Meditations.Marcus wrote way more than these lines you are throwing, and yet, here you are… Like if everything he wrote AFTER or BEFORE those excerpts really made no difference… Right!Same as with your “6ft stick Kendo” which somehow makes you an expert in Kendo… Or in Japanese mentality, or even a specialist in how they conducted the whole philosophy behind, as if this was just a not meaningful part of the transmission “teacher-pupil”… Sure, sure… I get it now!Oh, and about the sarcasm: whatever. I cannot really care about how I “come off”, because that is beyond my control, as it is YOUR interpretation of my words, to which I could not really give less of a flying f~~~.Anyway, I will cut the chatter. Wasted too much time arguing with you, rocky-head. Bye!
Facepalm.I read and reread meditations several times, as well as letters from a stoic by Seneca. My books are full of highlights and marked off pages.Facepalm again.A 6ft staff is not kendo, however the same or similar type moves can be applied. The applies for escrima etc. A six foot wooden pole to the face is a lot different than a hollow bamboo sword with head gear.And yes I have read alot of musashi, as well as eastern literature such as the Tao te ching and baghavadgita. Multiple times, notes and all.It taught me one valuable lesson. When faced with uncertainty, embrace the possibility of my own suffering, and focus it.This is why I have zero respect for the people on this forum:John: Fear can be overcome with practice.Someone else: “I am sorry we are not all machines, and we are below you. What do you think we are all cowards?”John: uh no. I have been afraid before, but learned that fear can be overcome. It is a habit one has to practice.Someone else: bulls~~~!Honestly kenshin, half the time I was paying a compliment to military vets if you actually read some of the stuff. And to you by default. I know they are tormented. But they also give evidence for what people can over come. They deserve alot of respect for their bravery, and they are a proof of what a human being can do given certain circumstances.This is just pathetic, I mean it really is. It is better to be dead than live a certain way.
You spoke about reading, reading… And it looks like you have not understood a single thing all of that reading should have told you.A 6ft staff is not kendo, but not because kendo is just screaming and swinging hollow bamboo swords to each other, it goes way beyond that. And you lacked the MOST important part of the trainings, which is etiquette and RESPECT. Specially that one, you lack a lot of it. Starting from that “s~~~posting” of yours because someone rubbed you in the wrong way. Very stoic of you. And that kind of behaviour tells me how much of Stoicism you have actually understood, which is simply nothing.
You seem to keen on notes, as if reading and taking notes was something that somehow gave you an extra “edge” over anything. You can’t even grasp what is like to spend DECADES meditating over a SINGLE line or on a koan, which more often than not those initiated in the path of the Martial Arts that went well beyond the moves of such martial art do. I had a 8th Dan sensei tell people that after training for almost 5 DECADES of kendo, he STILL did not grasped the whole idea behind a simple “men”. Same happens with Go Rin no Sho and other books which you constantly tell me you have read, and yet, it is damn clear that you have not applied anything of those into your life. What you lack is something that masters from Seneca do Musashi sensei had extensively told on their teachings: PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE. And when you get tired of practicing, PRACTICE TWICE MORE. Despite fear, despite anything. Musashi sensei wrote that you could not CONQUER fear, altough you could MINIMIZE it by preparing yourself to face the situation as best as you can.
“This is why I have zero respect for the people on this forum:”… And here are your true colors. You have no respect for people on this forum, and yet, here you are, talking, on this forum, with people you do not respect for the sake of what? Attention, probably.
“I know they are tormented. But they also give evidence for what people can over come.”… Sigh. You may write and read, but you do not understand. It is a frivolous task to make you understand.But here goes another try: They are tormented, because they DID NOT OVERCAME S~~~. They are tormented, because they MAY had put their self-preservation instincts aside for a moment, and have felt a fear that was greater than losing his own life, to save the life of one of his own brother, for he feared more to lose such brother, than his own life. You never felt the brotherhood shared by those who have shed blood with you, for you never served. If you did, you would understand what I am saying.
Anyway, I end my contribution here. It is a fruitless task to make you understand, because you don’t. And you do not want to.To the point of having no respect for the men on this forum, as you have already pointed out in this thread. Twice.To people like you, John, the empty chair is the only answer I should give. And I should have emptied this chair a long ago.To any of you, my fellow brothers, I ask for forgiveness. I should have known better to not feed the trolls.I saw the notification. Clicked on it. Saw the wall of text, didn’t bother reading it.
I am sure you said something of value, somewhere. But your continually justification of how fear cannot be overcome…well means little to me.
Good luck with the word salads.
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