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I hear a lot on these forums and elsewhere of “skanks” who relentlessly hit on MGTOW, demanding to know within the first few minutes whether a man is married, if not why not, and will he go on a date with the skank in question.
Really?
I have been round the block a lotta times in my 48 years on this earth, and am very far from being any kind of omega male, but I can safely say that I have NEVER been approached by a woman seeking sex, or any other kind of relational interchange, in the way that a man might approach a woman.
No other man I have ever known has ever been approached by a woman in this way either, and I have never witnessed it with my own eyes.
What I have seen, invariably, is women just sitting there, waiting for men to approach them, whereupon they respond favourably if he is sufficiently chad-like to give them tingles, or unfavourably if he is not.
All the while bitching about how “there are no good men left any more”.
After all, it doesn’t matter how fat, ugly, stupid and nasty a woman is, she will only accept a genetic hybrid of Brad Pitt and the Sultan of Brunei as a mate, and will be incandescently angry and bitter if she doesn’t get him.
This dynamic has of course transferred wholesale to online dating as well.
Gentlemen - we are at war.
he will only accept a genetic hybrid of Brad Pitt and the Sultan of Brunei as a mate,
Even Brad Pitt doesn’t stand a chance, with his recent separation.
A tranquil mind is neither happy nor sad, it is uninfluenced by external conditions.
I think it is because of how people carry on socially. I sometimes play my guitar publicly, am a friendly and easy going guy, do not hate women, nor do I treat women with resentment. I just do not treat them special. When meeting strangers, I will treat a woman the same way that I treat a guy. If you hate women, you tend to show it in how you talk and behave. I feel it is a waste of energy to hate women; besides, it is how they are genetically made, and how can you hate an animal for doing what it is within its nature. I just do not let it influence me.
he will only accept a genetic hybrid of Brad Pitt and the Sultan of Brunei as a mate,
Even Brad Pitt doesn’t stand a chance, with his recent separation.
Even Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise are not good enough yet to raise their own children as they see fit.
So the answer is simple. Stop raising children in the west.
For men who REALLY want to have children?
Russia and Eastern European governments are really interested in highly educated men, intelligent men, who have businesses that make good money relocating to their countries and having children.
You tell Russia or an eastern european government you make USD10K a month and you will bring that income with you and pay taxes and you want to get married and have kids? You got yourself a residency permit! LOL!
I hear a lot on these forums and elsewhere of “skanks” who relentlessly hit on MGTOW, demanding to know within the first few minutes whether a man is married, if not why not, and will he go on a date with the skank in question.
Really?
I have been round the block a lotta times in my 48 years on this earth, and am very far from being any kind of omega male, but I can safely say that I have NEVER been approached by a woman seeking sex, or any other kind of relational interchange, in the way that a man might approach a woman.
No other man I have ever known has ever been approached by a woman in this way either, and I have never witnessed it with my own eyes.
What I have seen, invariably, is women just sitting there, waiting for men to approach them, whereupon they respond favourably if he is sufficiently chad-like to give them tingles, or unfavourably if he is not.
All the while bitching about how “there are no good men left any more”.
After all, it doesn’t matter how fat, ugly, stupid and nasty a woman is, she will only accept a genetic hybrid of Brad Pitt and the Sultan of Brunei as a mate, and will be incandescently angry and bitter if she doesn’t get him.
This dynamic has of course transferred wholesale to online dating as well.
When I was living in Germany from 2008-2015 I commonly had women hand me their phone number and ask me to call them.
The fastest I was ever offered sex by a woman was about 3 minutes sitting at a tram stop. She literally begged me to “come over some time and have some fun because I am bored”. We lived about 50 meters apart in apartment buildings and we were catching the same tram for the 10 minute trip in to town.
The fastest I have been asked if I would be willing to marry a specific woman is about 15 minutes. Yes, I mean a woman asked me if I would be interested in marrying HER, not just marrying, within 15 minutes of meeting her. I was in a restaurant waiting for my fav#1 to arrive and she was late so this woman felt the time pressure.
One time I had dinner with friends in a restaurant I had never been in before and the manageress of the restaurant told me that “you don’t need to go home tonight you know.”
So yeah. This happens to us alphas quite a lot.
If you are alpha, like I am, you get women hitting on you all the time.
I find it rather disgusting actually.
I don’t mean to be impolite, but: Bollocks.
If you were as unfeasibly “alpha” as you claim, why on earth would you be wasting your time writing on this website?
Gentlemen - we are at war.
I hear a lot on these forums and elsewhere of “skanks” who relentlessly hit on MGTOW, demanding to know within the first few minutes whether a man is married, if not why not, and will he go on a date with the skank in question.
Really?
I have been round the block a lotta times in my 48 years on this earth, and am very far from being any kind of omega male, but I can safely say that I have NEVER been approached by a woman seeking sex, or any other kind of relational interchange, in the way that a man might approach a woman.
No other man I have ever known has ever been approached by a woman in this way either, and I have never witnessed it with my own eyes.
What I have seen, invariably, is women just sitting there, waiting for men to approach them, whereupon they respond favourably if he is sufficiently chad-like to give them tingles, or unfavourably if he is not.
All the while bitching about how “there are no good men left any more”.
After all, it doesn’t matter how fat, ugly, stupid and nasty a woman is, she will only accept a genetic hybrid of Brad Pitt and the Sultan of Brunei as a mate, and will be incandescently angry and bitter if she doesn’t get him.
This dynamic has of course transferred wholesale to online dating as well.
When I was living in Germany from 2008-2015 I commonly had women hand me their phone number and ask me to call them.
The fastest I was ever offered sex by a woman was about 3 minutes sitting at a tram stop. She literally begged me to “come over some time and have some fun because I am bored”. We lived about 50 meters apart in apartment buildings and we were catching the same tram for the 10 minute trip in to town.
The fastest I have been asked if I would be willing to marry a specific woman is about 15 minutes. Yes, I mean a woman asked me if I would be interested in marrying HER, not just marrying, within 15 minutes of meeting her. I was in a restaurant waiting for my fav#1 to arrive and she was late so this woman felt the time pressure.
One time I had dinner with friends in a restaurant I had never been in before and the manageress of the restaurant told me that “you don’t need to go home tonight you know.”
So yeah. This happens to us alphas quite a lot.
If you are alpha, like I am, you get women hitting on you all the time.
I find it rather disgusting actually.
When I was at AIT for the Army, I met this girl that seemed to really like me. We never dated or even spoke much, being it was still a training phase and there was not much time for more than quick visits. Despite this, she contacted me from her station in England and asked me to marry her, a month after arriving to our new duty stations. That was the most interesting, because it was over a computer instant message. An instant message proposal, haha.
The fastest was at a club though, the girl in Texas bringing me drinks, but it was my 5th or so time at the club. I just never said anything but drink orders to her, so I was shocked. Cute girl with glitter all over herself. She always got glitter on me when bringing me drinks, but I cannot say that I minded.
I don’t mean to be impolite, but: Bollocks.
If you were as unfeasibly “alpha” as you claim, why on earth would you be wasting your time writing on this website?
I do not consider myself an Alpha or any of that, being that it doesn’t really work that way anymore. It is about money and presentation. Things were not this bad when growing up, but now, it is how much money do you look like. I will not speak for anyone else, but I am here, because I do not trust a woman to be more than what my ex was, which is what woke me up to this. Money grubbing, lying, and not genuine. Even though it was during our separation phase, also unfaithful.
Nah, I’ve just accepted that I’m average or below in looks and just take it as it comes. Have to play the cards I am dealt in life. I’ve seen in the past women just fall head over heels for my friends in HS, college and post grad. For me, never had been very successful with women. It is what it is.
I went to this seminar for my company a few years ago. I got in late with a large carry bag that I use when travelling. A middle-aged brunette seated me quietly towards the corner near a few people I knew. As I sat down trying to make little noise she quipped,”My,… that’s a big bag!” I shot back ,”Yeah,…. and heavy too.” (It was as I had it shoulder slung for walking fast). She said,”Well, you can drop your bagat MY PLACE.” I was somewhat detached as mentally I was still just entering the room. Took a few seconds,but then it dawned on me what happened.
After the lecture she approached me looking for an answer. I told her I was deeply flattered and politely declined. Truthfully, it was a turn-on, but she didn’t appeal to me and my mind was on business.
I figured that, like Flight attendants, she traveled all the time and this was an “up-front” way for her to get what she needed while on the road. Had little to do with “who” I was,…. women get horny too !Marry again, Hell NO ! ( Even JESUS was hung on a cross just once)
Anonymous54So yeah. This happens to us alphas quite a lot.
If you are alpha, like I am, you get women hitting on you all the time.
I find it rather disgusting actually.
Hes right actually.
I wouldnt describe myself as alfa( unless you p~~~ me off! Haha) but I was born good looking. ( not my fault).
They come after us, and yes it gets disgusting after a while.
Like a gold diggers vibe.I dont like it.
Doesn’t happen with me either, at least that often. I’m indifferent to the reason, really. It could be just in the circles I run in, or how I present myself. Maybe I’m not good looking enough, or perhaps I don’t smile enough.
It could be really nice if I got more attention from women. Then again, it could lead to dangerous temptation, and I may not like who I am if I started trying to get attention. I prefer just to be concerned about one way or the other.
On the issue of whether other man have an easier time then I do… I don’t know. Some of it could be natural bravado, some of it could misunderstanding exactly how much women are drawn to them. Doesn’t really matter either way.
Ok. Then do it.
I hear a lot on these forums and elsewhere of “skanks” who relentlessly hit on MGTOW, demanding to know within the first few minutes whether a man is married, if not why not, and will he go on a date with the skank in question.
It happens to me. Not frequently, but enough. I’m not so alpha or good looking as I am very ‘comfortable in my skin’. Tempered self-confidence I would call it. I don’t have an issue with that question. I get that she is looking and doesn’t want to invite a cat fight or hit on a married man. I would be more concerned if she didn’t care. Questions about resources and utilities (income, homes, and handiness) flag my radar more.
If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.
No other man I have ever known has ever been approached by a woman in this way either,
LOL impossible for you to know
If I’m at a singles get together the women my age will check me out and start talking me up. Keeping in shape and being fairly good looking makes me a prime target. Of course, it’s usually the fat ones…and they always want sex…like a bunch of teenage boys chasing a cheerleader.
"Don't follow in my footsteps...I stepped in something."
I don’t mean to be impolite, but: Bollocks.
If you were as unfeasibly “alpha” as you claim, why on earth would you be wasting your time writing on this website?
You seem to be implying that MGTOW is only for Incels (Involuntarily Celebate). That’s what Big tuna always tries to claim (MGTOW are a bunch of virgin losers who can’t get laid, we don’t want them anyways!!!)
You couldn’t be more wrong. Most MGTOW are here because they HAVE been around the block a time or two, usually divorced, and have finally come to the realization that they are All Like That. AWALT.
Your assumption that there’s no way women would approach Men for sex or a relationship quickly is based off of YOUR experience. I can think of at least a handful of friends that have had similar experiences to yours; Normal guys, not bad looking at all, but for some reason they never seem to be actively hit on by the opposite sex.
It’s all in the game. I’m not going to preach bulls~~~ PUA stuff here, but once you know what to do and how to act around women, YES, you can get them doing the chasing. It’s not a magic trick where it works on any woman at any time, and when it DOES work it can catch you off guard, because admittedly it is somewhat rare.
If your a guy who never goes to the bar, never goes to the gym, never goes to the club and just stays at home working on cars, thats cool. Welcome to MGTOW. But that guy just isn’t going to have the same life experiences as the guys who DID go and relentlessly chase tail. Who did put in the time and effort to get as much ass as possible. It’s not that he’s more “Alpha” and he was just born that way, it usually has more to do with how you act in a social setting, as others have stated.
Do you look like the life of the party? Does everyone in the room know your name? Then girls want to be with you.
Do you sit alone, in the back of the bar, drinking steadily and just watching people? Girls aren’t going to want to be with you, even if your Bradd Pitt.
As a guy who used to do PUA type stuff when it first started (Early 2000’s) I’m here the same way an alcoholic goes to AA meetings. I come here not because I can’t get laid, but because I began putting way too much emphasis on getting laid and being attractive to the opposite sex. It became my main hobby, my way of proving self worth, my sense of validation. It became a sport to me, a very unhealthy one.
It’s still a problem for me, sometimes. No, I’m not saying that “I’m fighting them off with a stick!!” What most guys here may be referring to is, they know when they can get laid. When you learn how to attract female attention the same way they attract ours, you begin seeing subtle, yet telling clues throughout your day when a girl is DTF.
Once you know you can get laid with a new girl, once she’s interested and starts playing seductive games… How long can you last? How long can you just do your guy hobbies before finally just succumbing to a moment of weakness and making the play?
THAT, my friend, is the world of s~~~ that some here may be referring to.
I have NEVER been approached by a woman seeking sex, or any other kind of relational interchange,
Oh they’re not seeking sex or a relationship. They’re looking for a portfolio prospectus.
Haven’t you ever had a woman ask you: “What do you do?” What she’s really asking is: “Are you my next lucrative branch?” And she considers that the same as a man asking her for her phone number.
in the way that a man might approach a woman.
Of course they don’t approach like men do. But they do approach. You just have to learn to read the signs.
When a man approaches a woman, he’s thinking about the woman. When a woman approaches a man, she’s thinking about herself. This difference in perspective fundamentally changes their approach methods.
I’ve been approached and asked out by women. It doesn’t happen every time I step out of the front door, and the quality of women doing this isn’t really that good. So it’s not like a bunch of women that look like Sandra Bullock are all asking me out. Last woman was my mom’s age.
And I don’t think I’m ugly or handsome. Just average.Like a bird on the wire, like a drunk midnight choir, I have tried in my way to be free.
I’ve had various women over the years make it obvious they were interested in me quite a few times, although I only can recall one time that one of them actually asked me out. The one thing I have noticed though is the older they get the more desperate and more aggressive they become.
Thank you, gentlemen – a lot of very interesting feedback here, as well as some wilful misunderstanding of what I was originally trying to say.
Which remains that fantasist, extreme wishful-thinking descriptions of women literally sprinting up to men in their desperation to offer sex and/or marriage are surely the antithesis of “owning one’s s~~~”.
Gentlemen - we are at war.
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