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Anonymous18The following is not meant as an insult or deterrent to anyone. This site has been a huge help for me. And I only hope that every man gets to come here and see things from a different perspective. Having said that I have come across posts here from guys as young as 14 who embrace the mgtow mentality regarding relationships/women. It got me thinking about the significance about being betrayed in love, being accused of false allegations, paying child support/alimony, among other gynocentric fist-in-your-ass rules and female hypocrisy/disloyalty that enables a man to adapt, sidestep entrapment and accept mgtow as an alternate way of living a peaceful and harmonious life.
So when a young guy says he is going his own way, is that acceptable for the older/wiser men here as a sensible decision? Based on one’s lack of experience with girls/women, aren’t the young guys (<20) only setting themselves up for a bigger disaster if they only live by the idea that women can be extreme selfish and damaging to a man’s well being without ever getting royally f~~~ed by one?
I would welcome anyone with open arms only because I know the pain and suffering first hand to relate to someone else’s suffering. Would not getting enough dates or attention from the young girls cause young “nice” guys to adapt to mgtow lifestyle and focus on school/careers to later become successful? And when these whores have had enough run of the mill no-strings-attached c~~~s, they seduce these poor souls into ‘love’- I am not like them rest of girls, how I wish I had met you earlier to avoid heartache and pain from all the jerks I dated before you- and eventual legal contract.
May be it’s my own skewed perception but I would throw my own hypothetical son (I have none) in to the dating world and face rejection but keep trying and learn from his own experience. No amount of second hand mgtow wisdom can prepare a young man to avoid seduction and entrapment once he has gained resources that a predator female wants but lacks first hand experience.
In a nutshell, is it okay for us to encourage young guys to adapt this lifestyle without really living through an experience to put things in perspective in grand scheme of things? The biggest challenge is not self-restraint (I had plenty of it in my young days, not because I was a mgtow but because I was a shy, introverted wimp who thought of women’s affection and fellatio to be a highest reward to mankind) but knowledge about self and the ways of the enemy.
It’s just a thought that I felt comfortable sharing based on my experience about the open-mindedness and constructive criticism from menbers. I hope it doesn’t come as a deterrent or undermine young men’s ability to see through female BS. Everyone is welcome, everyone is deserving of the wisdom that I have received. So please don’t take it as a personal attack.
Thanks!
You are forgetting one thing, that us middle-aged guys are oblivious to, kids start having sex as young as 12 now. It is a completely different world now, so weird. That is what we are here for, they can ask honest questions and get honest answers. It is up to them to decide if we are giving good advice, which generally we are. Hopefully they will have the common sense and heed caution to things like “No, don’t throw her stuff on the lawn and torch it…”. Either way they will get some insight into this fabricated rigged new society, which has been shoved down our throats for 50 years now. Knowledge is power.
Sovereignty above all else.
…………like teaching a baby duck to land in a lake full of piranha.
“May be it’s my own skewed perception but I would throw my own hypothetical son (I have none) in to the dating world and face rejection but keep trying and learn from his own experience.”
When you have a son, it’s like someone slaps a whole new computer gridboard into your brain. It is an internalized change of perspective.
That being said, I honestly don’t think you would throw your own son into the giant plastic shredder of boys and men that the world has become.
Sixty years ago ~~ shotgun wedding, end of story. Today: false rape allegations / ruined career timeline / ruined temporarily education / ruined reputation / police record / police record that’s in the system and won’t disappear/ serious disease – not just good old clap anymore.
"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."
Anonymous3Most of the older guys that have been through it can also be seduced, I see it all the time. Men are pretty weak for the most part, that’s why feminism was so wildly successful.
It’s not like boys and girls are segregated or that young men can’t see how misandrist society and the media are. They can read about the false rape accusations, the constantly belittling of males, the demonization of the male sex drive, blaming men for every real and imagined slight in the world, they see how they are discriminated against in school, and how other men are discriminated against at work.
It is a wonder that any male with a functioning IQ of any age doesn’t see how misandrist society is and how toxic women are.
Just replace women with something else, such as bears or lions. Do I have to get mauled by a bear to understand they are dangerous? Or when I see another person get mauled am I smart enough to keep away? Humans would be dead if everyone had to experience the same negative outcome before they could adjust—it would be too late.
It will take at least 3 decades of women submitting to men and government power being destroyed before things can return to normality. And that means most of the current generation of women will be too old for anything. Some of these men can still then get the younger women, but probably the men will be too old too.
This is all intentional though, so it matters little. The governments wanted to destroy the family and they succeeded. Now we get to see what the plan is when there are far less marriages and families. I don’t for a second believe they truly want families to form again, considering all they ever do is try to shame men while doubling down on the feminist stupidity.
you make a good point. in the end, the one true way to arrive at a principled understanding of the world is to go out and experience things first hand. but, and i’m sure i’m paraphrasing someone here, intelligence is learning from your own mistakes while wisdom is learning from the mistakes of others. most men who encounter the ideas within this movement are not going to go full MGTOW. they’ll go about there lives, fumble around, f~~~ things up, get married or not, have kids or not, and learn a good deal along the way. but the ideas they encounter here will no doubt drive many of them to make better life decisions and to protect themselves from being looted as they go. what’s good about this movement, is if you can plant just one practical seed, in just one young man…it could very realistically grow into protection from hundreds of thousands of dollars in damage down the road.
The simplest thing that can happen to a young guy today is being conned in to becoming a father. So he can wear a condom … yes?
However, we are here to tell him to ‘flush it’ and why.
We are also here for a more serious reason. To keep him out of prison …. for the crime of being a young man.
So we MUST tell him things like the rape culture nightmare etc.
If that puts him off women ….. GOOD …. because we’re buying him time.
To grow, mature and see what’s going on …. with his minds and not his dick.
There is NOBODY ELSE out there for him.
WE SAVE LIVES
Anonymous1I was taught the dangers of sex in school, the risks, wear a condom or obstain to avoid infection / death etc.
Young men today need to know that PLUS the life ruining risks that women bring to thousands of men every day, and for nothing other than money.
50 years ago men were looking for an easy lay….Today women are only looking for an easy pay (out). That’s all you’re good for, getting financially, emotionally and mentally screwed. Better they know now than pay the price…
In a nutshell, is it okay for us to encourage young guys to adapt this lifestyle without really living through an experience to put things in perspective in grand scheme of things? The biggest challenge is not self-restraint (I had plenty of it in my young days, not because I was a mgtow but because I was a shy, introverted wimp who thought of women’s affection and fellatio to be a highest reward to mankind) but knowledge about self and the ways of the enemy.
I think the big thing about MGTOW is that men, both young and old, can make their own choices. If young guys want to socialize with and date women, then at least they can do so with eyes open and be careful. If I had known even a tenth of the information disseminated these days, I would have been a lot wiser back in the 1980s when I was operating in the dark, without a clue. My parents were no help at all, and most of my male peers thought they were like “Mike Damone” from Fast Times at Ridgemont High. The women I knew only gave me double talk, and both the news and entertainment media were filled with misinformation and horribly confusing mixed messages.
I wish someone had sat me down and given me the “straight story” a long time ago.
like i said before i was shocked seeing that too many young ones went to the MGTOW. Is that bad or good? good question: i think that, like others said earlier, the times changes too fast and if nowadays the girls and the boys can get information faster than us when we were young. They need to know other ways of thinking to relief themself if they don’t want to go to the “normal” path of drugs, drinks, casual sex, wild party and in a few years a girlfriend, a wedding, a baby (or “s”) and that’s it… that’s the end of the proper road for a man…
bulls~~~
i suffered too much during my young years, my sex drive was (as normal) huge and my success with women zero=that causes me real depression and pain… i can’t imagine how much would be the temptation nowadays with the clothes, the bodies exposed and the slut style that the young girls goes to the streets…if i would read in anywhere people telling me about the MGTOW movement, i would was much more happier seeing the reality and no the lies of the media…
so, despite my shock i’m glad for these young guys who discovered this way as soon as possible…even if in the future they decide to abandon it and get married and all the stuff…
the information is power…but also freedom…
i’m happy for them…
Great topic of concern and an excellent point.
Bluntly, guys under 18 shouldn’t even be here – for the same reason I wouldn’t allow my own son to see certain movies. But I have broken that rule and welcomed them myself. In one case, it was to my regret. He was bringing too much ugly “OMG did you see this ugly feminist s~~~?” in the form of highly-toxic links to videos and articles that were not conducive to his well-being.
There is a difference between *dealing* with it… and going out to deliberately seek and find it — and bring it into your house, mind or life. It was the equivalent of going out to collect dog s~~~, bringing it into the kitchen and saying “Dad look at this dog s~~~ I found!”. A kid should not be doing that. Pick flowers and bring them into the house. Leave the dog s~~~ outside.
Anyone who wants to arrive at their own level of consciousness and clarity is welcome here to explore. EXPLORE. Giving the visitor plenty to explore is why we’re here. But we’re not actively knocking on their door, or selling them ideas. It makes ZERO difference if a visitor embraces it… or total rejects what they find here. We encourage them to do both – and leave. The point – and question – is that they have the capacity to make up their own minds.
A 14 year old simply doesn’t have the LEGAL capacity to make up is own mind.
He’s not under his “own” jurisdiction. That’s why a certain distance must be maintained.Legally, he can’t “go his own way” . But he can certainly begin to open his eyes to the real world around him , prepare and educate himself on how he might begin to face the world that awaits him (and he will be thrown into ) on his 18th birthday.
Doesn’t anyone think it’s WIERD that the government would give you keys to a CAR and a license to drive it at 16… but that person can’t take a legal drink until they are 21? That is seriously f~~~ed up and backwards. If you can’t legally even drink a beer or smoke a cigarette, you shouldn’t be permitted to DRIVE ON THE ROAD WHERE YOU CAN KILL OTHER PEOPLE WHEN YOU ARE RECKLESS. I think that is so f~~~ed up…. but you know why they do it? It gives you a 5 year window to f~~~ the rest of your life up. Go to a party, drive a car, (like every 19 year old does) get a DUI and you’re paying for the rest if your life — and it hasn’t even begun yet! You begin your life in the s~~~ter.
It’s designed that way. They know giving you keys to a car at 16 is stupid.
And not permitting you to have a beer until you are 21 is also stupid.It’s as if the system is deliberately designed to have young kids begin their lives in the s~~~ter or put them at great risk of damaging themselves.
They exploit youngsters like they exploit older men who signed marriage contracts without being aware of the very real dangers and not knowing how it can damage him….. and they fabricate false rape accusations because they can’t “catch enough predators” (see my recent sticky thread on that)…… so they try to entice men pretending to be hot chicks on the internet – to see if would be interested in having sex with someone under 18.
It’s so f~~~ed up.
So again… it’s not really a *moral* issue. It’s a LEGAL issue.
Men who don’t even personally engage in that s~~~, are arrested for no reason and their lives are ruined.
They will attempt to force this *experience* on you – even when you wanted nothing to do with it.MGTOW says “stay the f~~~ out of my personal life and choices”.
I will experience what I choose to experience and entirely make my own choices.
Thereby congratulating myself for my own successes, and paying for my own mistakes. Not anyone else’s.A 14 year old kid can’t decide that. But he will certainly experience exactly the same shaming for others when he has other more worthwhile pursuits than a f~~~ing girlfriend. Look at the way his own mother cringes because he is not interested in a “girlfriend”. They do a story on his genius, and his mother shames him for not being into silly & childish girly games. The dude is 14!
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So, Is actual personal experience a factor?
Great question. You don’t need to PERSONALLY murder someone to know that it’s wrong. And you also don’t need to PERSONALLY have sex with a girl who is saying “no” to be charged with a false accusation. This can happen to you – even if no sex is ever involved!
/video/false-rape-thwarted-by-police-camera/
So that officer didn’t have to PERSONALLY partake in anything indecent to be accused. A 16 year old boy who asks a girl to go out with him for an ice-cream may have to deal with that. And if he’s PREPARED, he will think twice about asking her out and buying her an ice cream at all.
Now consider “Sandman”. A youtube video creator who puts “MGTOW” next to his videos…. while he talks about all kinds of anecdotal stuff and gives his personal opinion into a microphone. Before he started doing that, he was in a relationship with ONE girl for 9 years. If it worked out with that ONE girl there would be no “Sandman”. And likewise, if he dated ANOTHER girl who it worked out with, he wouldn’t exist either.
You see the point?
I have *personally* had waaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyy more experience with women than Sandman. And I have not yet even created ONE video talking about it. (it’s still to come when we start creating exclusives) but the reason I haven’t done it is because I am not here to influence anyone. So personal experience is not essential to our existence.
It is an ENHANCEMENT to our existence. Personal experience is an olive on the MGTOW salad.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.MGTOW offer a choice not a mandate. It is fundamentally knowledge that I would not see denied someone for being young.
That makes terrible sense, it would be like denying the knowledge of how credit actually works to a child, which they also do for the exact same reason which is f~~~ing the kid over.
With knowledge in hand they can see how it works second hand or at least be better prepared to recognize the true nature of what they are facing.
The life advantages of getting it early enough are huge, back when I was 14 I understood, or at least I understood in the 50-80% range what would now be MGTOW basics. The advantage I had, huge. Not everything was clouds and wonder dreams but I am way better off for it now. I wouldn’t force it down anyone’s throat but I’d certainly leave the book on the table for them to pick up if they so choose and answer if they ask. And if I had a son I’d leave the book open too just to give him the extra advantage.
The systems right now is highly dependent on indoctrinating these kids from a very young age letting them see choices, possibilities and gain the ability to distinguish truth on their own is enormous just huge by itself.
I wouldn’t want to say anything ‘adult’ related to any profile on this site who mentions being under 18.
I think 14 year old boys can go their own way. Why? Because adults that are female having sex with young boys and even end up getting child support from the rape victim. Boys can learn not to have sex with older females when they are under 18.
According to the state, he now owes $15,000 in child support, plus money for his daughter’s birth expenses and 10 percent interest. But Olivas says he shouldn’t owe a cent because he claims he was the victim of statutory rape when he fathered the child .
Arizona state law puts 15 as the age of consent, but Olivas didn’t press charges because he didn’t realize it was an option at the time, according to the Arizona Republic.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/05/nick-olivas-alleged-rape-victim-_n_5773532.html
"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle
Great point CrazyCanuck,
“I think 14 year old boys can go their own way. Why? Because adults that are female having sex with young boys and even end up getting child support from the rape victim. Boys can learn not to have sex with older females when they are under 18.”
If we don’t tell them, who will?
"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."
If we don’t tell them, who will?
Exactly! Those boys are going to need all the help and guidance they can get.
https://medium.com/bright/sex-ed-that-turns-boys-into-men-ede65ca6e263
If we don’t tell them, who will?
Oustanding point – and also the one Canuck mentioned.
But they are not able to “go their own way”.
I can’t prove this, but I am QUITE sure my brother had a thing with one of his teachers when he was 15. She spent a lot of private time with him, and she was at our house for dinner – visited with us on vacation – under the guise as a RELIGION TEACHER at his semi-private catholic school (we’re not even catholic but he want to a uniformed school like that). I was innocent myself , and although I suspected SOMETHING was up there, I couldn’t say what. I didn’t KNOW. When I moved out into my own place at 18 they both came over to visit me like a couple. It was kind of weird. And I was on a first name basis with her – and so was he.
I’m sorry but NO. You don’t call your religion teacher “Jane” (pseudonym) and have her over for dinner when you’re 15 and drive off in her convertible to see a movie after. I actually believe my parents wouldn’t have even GONE THERE in their worst & wildest imaginations. It went on for at least a year. We have her in family photos. It was unthinkable.
NOW I see the news filled – it’s an epidemic – of female teachers banging their students. Can you imagine what would have happened if it got out? Or if she got pregnant? What a f~~~ing horror show. Even he doesn’t know if she got pregnant. Would she even TELL him? Or would she have passed it off as her husband’s kid? If he didn’t do as he was told…. would he have passed the grade? If they can manipulate their husbands, they can manipulate their students. A 14 year old kid wouldn’t even be able to IMAGINE his teacher trying to screw him and get pregnant so she can collect support from a minor!!!
It’s insane.
But I don’t KNOW for sure.
I haven’t even confronted my own brother about it. But I would certainly have no problem with the OP knowing this goes on.
If we don’t tell them, who will? is RIGHT.
PS. I spoke of this for the first time ever in a MGTOW Google Hangout with other MGTOW about 3-4 weeks ago. With Messenger Rising, Niki Choski and Shining Light.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Although this is a place where guys come and … chill out … chew the fat etc
It has become one of a few places where a young man can obtain the truth.
Should we have all been on a street corner and watched a guy try and run across the road … we would have shouted … stop.
Whether he stops or not is his choice.
We are men, we have spirit, compassion and love in our hearts …. we f~~~ing care what happens. Just because mgtow doesn’t mean we ignore those brothers that need help.
When I first joined this site I did so AFTER all my s~~~ went down. It would have been a massive lottery win had I found it beforehand.
So I came, talked, compared stories, bitched and … yes .. some ‘mild’ swearing 😆
It was all lads down the pub stuff. Until you start reading others stories … from the outside in.
That’s when I realised I wasn’t sitting in a pub with the guys … I was sitting in the rest room of a male soul A & E. I’m not kidding about this guys.
Just one tiny word or reply from anyone of us could make a difference. Could stop something awful happening.
We may not know that .. or see the end result …. but neither do the samaritans.
We have nothing to lose by telling guys the truth and it would be wrong to with hold it.
I for one couldn’t sleep at night knowing ‘if only I told him the facts’.
We go our own way but that doesn’t mean we ignore a hand reaching out for help …. for if we do …. we are no better than who we walk from.
@ILearn An excellent point that must be addressed. Hell I was one of those 14 year olds who became MGTOW and now I wish I was given the guidance you guys provide on this site as you obviously saw how flawed I am through my introduction.
@keymaster thank you for providing this forum in which we can all discuss such things in an honest manner. I know many of us bear very strong opinions as is natural but so long as we remain logical and civil, we can all learn from our experiences thanks to this forum, the Youtubers out there, and the guys in the streets sharing their knowledge. With that said I believe this knowledge should be for all boys and men to have access to.
I would say for a teenage boy, on his way to manhood, there are things connected with MGTOW that would be of value for him:
* Developing a strong identity that can’t be manipulated by peer pressure.
* Competence at useful skills that enable him to get paid.
* Awareness of traps and pitfalls, which will keep him from getting burdened young.
* Resolve and direction, so he can’t be swayed by societal norms that work against him.
By working on character, and these, he is more likely to be successful. The rest of the said “socialization” is a different beast.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
I would say for a teenage boy, on his way to manhood, there are things connected with MGTOW that would be of value for him: * Developing a strong identity that can’t be manipulated by peer pressure. * Competence at useful skills that enable him to get paid. * Awareness of traps and pitfalls, which will keep him from getting burdened young. * Resolve and direction, so he can’t be swayed by societal norms that work against him. By working on character, and these, he is more likely to be successful. The rest of the said “socialization” is a different beast.
Oh that one hurt Richard but in a good way lol. Although your points are extremely valid and I agree with them 100% I couldn’t help but think of how corporate those bullet points were. Reminds me of when I had to sell an idea to my superiors in the military and later contracting company. Thank you for reminding this wounded guy what he’ll be going back to when he’s back to being work capable while providing strong knowledge to our brothers.
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