Enemy in disguise…

[John Woods 13Participant 2855]

Dark Kenshi wrote:

But what I DO mind, is that IF you are a MGTOW, you do NOT advocate in favor of marriage

I agree. Leaving aside the labels and definitions, if you pretend to want to help/inform others about MGTOW, then you don’t start with and keep pushing for the most unlikely example of a “happy marriage” between a MGHOW and a NAWALT unicorn. Land mines indeed. Once married, there is no going your own way. At least not 100%. Hell, even 50% is a long shot.
I’m married too, and don’t give myself any labels. I took the red pill and I know where I stand and what my plans to become MGTOW are. As for advice, if and when I give it, It’s not how to avoid the bad things in a marriage, it’s AVOID THE MARRIAGE.
If you want:
Companionship- get a dog
Children- adopt or surrogacy
Sex- hookers or one nighters
Family- look at the family laws and it will pass
Thoughtful conversation- Single male friends and MGTOW.COM

The answer is NO. “I could but I won’t”. Memini murum!

[Dark KenshiParticipant 2132]

John Woods 13 wrote:

I’m married too, and don’t give myself any labels. I took the red pill and I know where I stand and what my plans to become MGTOW are.

That is really good, John!

I don’t know how “far” are you in marriage, but if you have a plan to become MGTOW, that is not only fine by me, but I strongly advocate that you become MGHOW as fast as you can. My life changed A LOT since I became single again, and I have improved A LOT not only as a man, but as a worker and a son since I became a MGHOW.

I never sent an e-mail to KeyMaster telling that my life was saved by this site and the men in it, because I thought that they already knew it.

And I agree with every single one of your advices.

"Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.

[UntamedParticipant]

Dark Kenshi wrote:

That is the BS I am facing in that post with a man(gina) with the callsign “Grumpy Old Man”, who says that a MGHOW can be married, and not only that, he say that it is our “failure” as man that made us become MGTOW, since that he is a MGHOW and is HAPPILY MARRIED.

Here it is the link for that thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4ReISodvQw

I believe that his kind of mangina is the worst enemy that we ever face. It is like the “double agent” that US had faced in the Cold War Era.

They are simply the “enemy in disguise”, for they use our name just to fulfill the female agenda, to destroy our image and to shame us all, not only by giving misinformation, but by doing bad acts and saying bad things “in our behalf”.

I don’t know if he is “an old acquaintance” of you, brothers, given that I am new here, but that is the s~~~ that I think that we have to fight the most.
Your “two cents” for “battle tactics” against that type of enemy, or just your thoughts on that are much apreciated.

That kind of mangina just brings back the red pill’s rage in me. Sorry if I am bothering you, brothers, but I think that this kind of problem must be reported to you all.

Indeed!

You are right, DK. The manginas are just as adversaries to Men as Fems, maybe even worse for they are oblivious of their position of servitude within the Feminist Matrix and assign their own blame over a whole male population.

I wouldn’t p~~~ on a mangina if he was on fire.

Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

There is another thread about romantic love up today. Today’s marriage is intertwined with romantic love. He thinks he is married but he is being used. The minute he doesn’t provide the gina tingles or provide the goods, his little princess will be gone.

Modern marriage is indentured servitude at the whims of a child.

He can go his way into hell. That’s the nature of going your own way. But I will not endorse to younger men here to walk into the fire just because this one fool tells others to.

On average avoiding marriage and having children are the best way to do your own way. It’s better to be free than pull a spade through a field for some over entitled modern fem-princess.

Just sayin.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[EscapedMentalPatientParticipant 1489]

I’ve been seeing this sort of thing around the ‘net as MGTOW become greater in number.

I’m MGTOW, but, There seems to be an increase in the apologetic “but”.

I’m MGTOW, but I’m happily married.

I’m MGTOW, but I’m carrying a time bomb which has no visible countdown clock. I simply know that in time there will be a definite explosion. Even though I know deep down that this is going to happen, I am not going to drop the time bomb. All I know is that f~~~er hasn’t exploded yet, so here…………….AS A MATTER OF FACT………..WANNA CARRY MY TIME BOMB FOR A WHILE??

F~~~ that s~~~.

[Anonymous 42]

Untamed wrote:

I wouldn’t p~~~ on a mangina if he was on fire.

I would! but only long after the fire went out!

[Anonymous 11]

These guys are dangerous as they discount the real danger. Goody for him that his life was not destroyed by a woman, As The Shrike pointed out, it’s only, because she chose not to do it.

Now, pull that pin and release the lever. See what happens it could be a dud.

[Anonymous 1]

@MG-ɹǝʍo┴

Thanks man, I appreciate the compliment.

🙂

[Anonymous 42]

Anonymous wrote:

@MG-ɹǝʍo┴

Thanks man, I appreciate the compliment.

@BadKan, a brother lifts you up! A sister knocks you down! There’s an undeniable greatness here! It’s the spirit of man freed from the spirit of woman!
P.S. We see those who possess the premium fuel of MGTOW, it’s like watching a drag race with top fuel funny cars, we’re undeniably cranking more horse power than any sputtering mangina Yugo that enters the arena with waterlogged fuel. You can drop a toolbox on their heads for all I care!

[heads-upParticipant 320]

I am not as intellectual as some here and this is making my head hurt.
Eg if a guy is married and stays put because of his kids I get it.He can be mgtow in his Mind waitng for the day hes new life starts.He can make sure his son(s) are aware of the landmines ahead.etc
But I have an issue with the unicorn rider shaming all who are not married/getting married et al.
Life is full of grays and honestly I struggle with this alot.Kinda aspergy,
Could someone please start or revive a thread with these “grays” outlined.I am not able to do this myself.

[Anonymous 29]

@ DarkKenshi . . . . While I do not disagree with what you wrote on any particular point, that “Grumpy Old MAN” is a fool and fools can be useful. As much as we may detest his type we are still a part of humanity and lets not loose it while Going Our Own way. We must not react to men like him with hate even as deplorable as they are, after all they are still MEN and our adversary is of female kind.

And don’t say sorry man. . . . . . We write what wee feel.

[Dark KenshiParticipant 2132]

Anonymous wrote:

@ DarkKenshi . . . . While I do not disagree with what you wrote on any particular point, that “Grumpy Old MAN” is a fool and fools can be useful. As much as we may detest his type we are still a part of humanity and lets not loose it while Going Our Own way. We must not react to men like him with hate even as deplorable as they are, after all they are still MEN and our adversary is of female kind.

And don’t say sorry man. . . . . . We write what we feel.

You indeed have a point, brother…

I don’t hate him, neither I want to dictate to him what MGTOW is, but I do hate his attitudes and the words he said.

My point is that I want to set straight the lie that he is telling, to cut down his lies while they are still in the open, because that could be the “small crack” in the armor that women and feminists wanted to start the all-out war against us.

What I saw in that moment was that he was misleading other men, who probably don’t know about MGTOW, and they probably are seeking a way to free themselves from their wifes. We probably are the last shelter for men out there, and I was literaly saved by our brotherhood.

It is my feelings, brother, I know, I have to work way more on them, but when I saw that man telling lies and leading other men to the slaughter house, I lost my mind… I couldn’t hold it…

But you are right, my brother… Next time I will keep my cool head and try to not only show our fellow men the truth about MGTOW, but I will be more polite and to not use an inch of rage (for I never hated him…)…

Thank you for the enlightment… You gave me a lot to think about and even more to practice about!

"Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.

[MKBParticipant 51]

Grumpy is not an emeny to MGTOW, just an idiotic hijacker. Grumpy is a one of those people who say they believe in democracy yet vote for fascism. If you vote for fascism you are not democratic. Let us not get confused on our own ideology which is about prioritizing a man’s soverienty above all else. Relationships with women are not against this rule until they get a higher priority. Marriage, the way it currently is, and MGTOW are conflicting lifestyles. If you do not follow the rule you are not MGTOW, not hard. If a MGTOW gets married, then he is not MGTOW and that is perfectly fine. There is no rule that tells MGTOW to not interact with married men or men who pretend to be free. Let men like Grumpy pretend and be crushed by their own ignorance.

[GrumpyParticipant]

What ever you do..
Don’t confuse this Grumpy Old Man with that Grumpy Old Retard.
Anyway, he’s free to go his own way, what ever that is. I’m going to guess his extra large yapping Flight Bag will tell him which direction it is though.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[QcummerParticipant 652]

hi Grumpy! 🙂
go f~~~ yourself

[Dark KenshiParticipant 2132]

Grumpy wrote:

What ever you do..
Don’t confuse this Grumpy Old Man with that Grumpy Old Retard.
Anyway, he’s free to go his own way, what ever that is. I’m going to guess his extra large yapping Flight Bag will tell him which direction it is though.

That will never happen, brother… 😀

"Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.

[GrumpyParticipant]

Qcummer wrote:

hi Grumpy! 🙂
go f~~~ yourself

BAHAHAHAHAHA thanks for the support f~~~er..:)

I have my government, women, and society as a whole for that. oh wait that’s to “f~~~ me over”.
I think taking myself out for dinner, getting myself drunk, then taking advantage of myself would be a tad more palatable, and cheaper for me.
As an added bonus, I will actually respect myself in the morning .

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Soldier-Medic wrote:

I’m not sure that I understand. A married man wants to be MGHOW. Okay. Let him.
MGTOW Men Going Their Own Way
This is a lifestyle choice that is based in the knowledge that the government, social institutions, individual SJW’s, and women as a whole don’t have men’s best interest at heart. Just the opposite. They seek the destruction of all that is man in so far as our intellectual capacity, money, influence, leadership, etc.
He is going his own way. Just not in the way that you agree with. If he was going your way, then he isn’t going his own way.
A circular argument to be sure, but I challenge you to find fault with it.
I agree that it is at least difficult to be a MGHOW with a woman in tow, which is why I don’t keep one. Let him keep one and let’s see how it turns out.
Who knows, maybe after enough red pills he will file for a divorce. Perhaps “Cheaper To Keep Her”?

MGTOW, by how it is defined and functions and is, rests on several concepts that can work together, but aren’t by nature logically related. These are:
* Don’t marry and avoid women to some degree (depending on what a man needs).
* A man takes control of his life, and decides how he is going to live, and lives for his way above all other considerations.
* Understanding the nature of women, how they work. With this battle gynocentrism and feminism if you can in your own life. MGTOW is a way to have freedom from it. For others it is a strike to change the system. And with some it is a brotherhood of sorts, men suffering together to end up gaining increased freedom.
* Reclaiming of what it means to be a man (by some MGTOW), and praise and elevating of masculinity. You can see with this site, for example, the main criterion for being allow on it is being a man. The male identity and being a man is in MGTOW.
* MGTOW is seen as a personal label, a group identity, an ideology, a lifestyle, and also an action done. Each of these carry their own perspective.

Because of these naturally not related to one another, you are going to get a man say things, while he is married, “I am a MGTOW, more than even these guys. I have a way that works, it is mine, and I have a wife in it.”. That is because the autonomy side is focused on, and nothing else is. And some of these concepts can come into conflict.

This reminds me a bit of the motto of the French Revolution (Liberty, Equality, Fraternity):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libert%C3%A9,_%C3%A9galit%C3%A9,_fraternit%C3%A9

You want to have all three, but liberty can undermine the other two. It happens. And I say MGTOW is similar. With MGTOW, if these preferences of focus are undermined too much, it has a chance of its growth being harmed, as men get excluded. Of course, if it is too open, it will end up being a meaningless label.

To be able to sort things out, I can end up proposing something called MOWism (My Own Wayism) as a way to keep MGTOW MGTOW. Part of MGTOW is MOWing, and autonomy, but it encompasses other things. Anyhow, just my take.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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