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I have mixed feelings about this one. I do see what you’re saying, MGTaoist, but I also think there’s a danger that this kind of thinking turns into the “don’t be angry, be happy” platitudes which we’re surrounded with today. I’m not saying you’re like this, I’m just saying there’s a danger what you’re saying can degenerate into that.
I actually think there’s a lot to be said for anger. Sure, anger can eat you up and destroy you, but anger can be an amazing fuel to propel you forward. A lot of my creative work comes out of anger at the s~~~ which other people in my field make. To be honest I like my anger.
I’m sure the red pill rage does die down but to be honest my anger still hasn’t died down much, nearly 4 years after leaving my ex, and I’m okay with that. Maybe I just have to work through it, but it’s not going anywhere and I can’t get it to go no matter how many “don’t be angry, be happy” bumper stickers/inspirational Instagram posts I see. F~~~ that s~~~.
I agree with Carnage that it’s wrong to make happiness your goal. Actually I think the idea of having happiness as your goal can be pretty blue pill and certainly runs through a lot of our consumerist world. Even Jordan Peterson has problems with making happiness your goal lol.
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Anonymous38What is happines?Where do you find it?What is made of?You cant seek happiness, that is a state of mind, you can choose to be happy or not.Rage all you want, hate all you want, what ever works for you, you will eventually grow out of it, takes time, be a better person or a worst person, it doesnt matter is all the same.You can agree or desagree with me, maybe im wrong, maybe im right, it doesnt matter, relax and enjoy the view, you will be dead in 60 years or sooner.
You can deconstruct everything so that nothing really means anything. But, we know happiness when we feel it. We know misery when we feel it.There is a degree of choice, however simply ‘choosing’ to be happy does not work. Or, it takes time and soul work to reach the point where you feel you can just ‘choose’. This is why I say seek happiness, in my case this was ridding myself of all/most delusions, suffering, complexes, etc. Happiness for me is something like the absence of all that crap. Most people cannot simply snap their fingers and choose to be happy or enjoy the environment, they need to work on improving themselves and their environment. You need to get to the root of why you hate, and cut it out.“Why improve yourself, is self masturbation, why do this, why do that. Is all bulls~~~. Blah blah blah.” Except it’s not. We are partly material entities in a partly material world. The material world affects us, Tyler Durden wannabe. There’s a lot of truth in what you’re saying, but that doesn’t work for a lot of men. Improving one’s mind leads to genuinely increased peace, harmony, happiness. As something of an anarchist you say “f~~~ it all”. I am skeptical as to whether you feel anything close to happiness and suspect there is more hate and rage than joy in your daily life.If you genuinely want the world to burn then you are a hypocrite by staying alive. For the will to live suggests hope for something better, deep down there is love and kindness in your heart, but you’re too much of a pussy to show it. Probably doesn’t help being a Doctor Carnage (how about change your profession).
If you are not ready to die at any moment, or you fail to walk down in life as if you are dead already, you have a thing or two to learn in Taosim yet, brother. Clinging to life is a mistake, one that many people take for granted.
I take Carnage words over yours, in this matter. Carnage reached farther in this curve. Life is Always moving, and clinging to it is to live in perpetual state of greif and sadness.As Carnage said: f~~~ it all. We are all dead and we will all die in the same manner, no matter who you are. So, if we all will die, what matter and what does not? Live your “death” to the fullest, whatever the means for doing that is like, for you. All else is bulls~~~.I’m curious how you’ve deduced I’m “clinging to life”.
I do not fear death. I accept whatever comes with equanimity, that is the Tao.
A lot of people make the mistake of thinking “surely a Buddhist or Taoist wouldn’t be angry or bothered by anything”. Wrong. A Buddhist or Taoist is a normal human being. He does not pretend to be anything else.
Anonymous38I say f~~~ it all, you know why?Couse i will be FINE, if world is ok, tgere is peace and cumbaya great, i will enjoy it.If the world go into madness and mad max fantasy, EVEN BETTER. i will be fine.I dont care what happens to you or any one, I WILL BE FINE, and if im not fine… Ohh well, guess is over, was a nice ride.You wanna improve your selft? GO AHEAD, DO IT, MORE POWER TO YOU.But here comes the funny part, if you dont, IT DOESNT MATTER, you are gonna die any way, genius, loser, beta, alfa, chad, nice guy, trash cleaner, millionaire, we all die the same.Do what ever you want, if you manage to be a leach all of your life and live at the expense of others effort, WELL DONE, if you become a succesufull member of society, WELL DONE, but you dont have to, you can choose, is your life, there is no right answer, it doesnt matter, learn to say F~~~ IT I WILL DO THIS BECOUSE I WANT TO OR WONT BECOUSE I DONT WANT.i do as i wish, i say as i please, there might be consecuences to my acts and words, but that is normal and logical, but dont even think for a second i will surrender and go down quietly, i will pay the price for my mistakes if they force, but if the world does not have the strength to put me down god (im a non believer ia just an expresion) have mercy, couse i will show no mercy as nature intended.
Your post has just negated any reasons why any man should be mgtow. Take some time and figure it out.
Exactly. Carnage is claiming acceptance of everything and no care about anything. If that were the case, there’d be no need to be a MGTOW. He’s become a MGTOW for some reason. He says survival. But why try to survive – kind of goes against a lot of what he writes.
Anonymous38I have mixed feelings about this one. I do see what you’re saying, MGTaoist, but I also think there’s a danger that this kind of thinking turns into the “don’t be angry, be happy” platitudes which we’re surrounded with today. I’m not saying you’re like this, I’m just saying there’s a danger what you’re saying can degenerate into that.
I actually think there’s a lot to be said for anger. Sure, anger can eat you up and destroy you, but anger can be an amazing fuel to propel you forward. A lot of my creative work comes out of anger at the s~~~ which other people in my field make. To be honest I like my anger.
I’m sure the red pill rage does die down but to be honest my anger still hasn’t died down much, nearly 4 years after leaving my ex, and I’m okay with that. Maybe I just have to work through it, but it’s not going anywhere and I can’t get it to go no matter how many “don’t be angry, be happy” bumper stickers/inspirational Instagram posts I see. F~~~ that s~~~.
I agree with Carnage that it’s wrong to make happiness your goal. Actually I think the idea of having happiness as your goal can be pretty blue pill and certainly runs through a lot of our consumerist world. Even Jordan Peterson has problems with making happiness your goal lol.That’s why I said you can’t just tell people to “just to be happy”. Most people cannot shortcut the process they need to go through. Most cannot simply say “f~~~ it all” and stop caring about everything.
If so we would be able to renounce it all to live in a barrel like that Diogenes fella, and be fine with it. But most can’t. We need material things. We need comforts. We have needs that need to be met before we reach our potential, there is a hierarchy of needs for most of us. The same is true of the animal world. Food, shelter, security. Diogenes was basically an alcoholic beggar bum.
I tried to make this clear in my post. “Don’t worry be happy” is funny. There is much wisdom in it, but it can also be trite. Many things in life are seemingly paradoxical. Years back I tried going straight to the wisdom of the greats, but it didn’t work. I wasn’t HAPPY. Then I chose to work on my soul, and now I am HAPPY. You can tell me I’m deluded and say “what is happiness” etc. But I know happiness when I feel it.
Is happiness permanent joy? No. Is it the absence of all negative emotion and experience? NO. I’m sorry but if you think this, or that’s what I’m saying, I am a little embarrassed for you. What good man would not be angered by injustice? Of course I get angry. But I realise that being angry most of the time is incredibly harmful.
I live my life like a normal human being. I get irritated, angry occasionally, stressed. I am nothing special. But these ‘things’ are the Tao, the natural way of life. These are simply emotions that signal something needs to be changed. What’s different is these things aren’t dominant over me now, and actually I experience peace and joy far more often.
I do not think I am lucky, I simply chose to believe this state of being existed, and because I believed, I sought and found it.
If you have removed all emotion from your life, you might be making a mistake. Emotions serve an important function. They should never control you, but to eliminate them completely is foolish. Some men think they’re being hard by putting on that front, but actually you’re not even having the b~~~~ to live fully as a human being. He became a shell of a man because the world made him.
The world made me a shell of a man and then I turned around and said f~~~ you, and the real man came back. Kind, loving, strong. And now it cannot be taken from me. You’d have to kill me, and I don’t fear that. Can’t you see how powerful that is?
My idea of becoming happy has nothing to do with the blue pilled idea of it. I say find happiness through truth, which is immediately incompatible with the blue pill version.
By all means adhere to the doctrine of nihilists. You’ll never be happy. You’ll exist and then die. Great. They will say that’s all there is anyway. Well, maybe they’re right. But I choose to feel some happiness while I’m here. For me it makes living worthwhile.
Anonymous38As Carnage said: f~~~ it all. We are all dead and we will all die in the same manner, no matter who you are. So, if we all will die, what matter and what does not? Live your “death” to the fullest, whatever the means for doing that is like, for you. All else is bulls~~~.
Kenshi, yours are the words of a man who has nothing to live for. Whose brilliance is clouded by permanent negativity. I’ve been there, brother.
I am telling you you can move past it just as I did. But you have to want it, then believe it.
It’s easy to say ‘nah it don’t exist’ and do nothing. And hey, that’s your call. You may be ‘right’. BUT, you might never achieve happiness, and if that bothers you deep down…. it’s a different story, isn’t it.
I have mixed feelings about this one. I do see what you’re saying, MGTaoist, but I also think there’s a danger that this kind of thinking turns into the “don’t be angry, be happy” platitudes which we’re surrounded with today. I’m not saying you’re like this, I’m just saying there’s a danger what you’re saying can degenerate into that.I actually think there’s a lot to be said for anger. Sure, anger can eat you up and destroy you, but anger can be an amazing fuel to propel you forward. A lot of my creative work comes out of anger at the s~~~ which other people in my field make. To be honest I like my anger.I’m sure the red pill rage does die down but to be honest my anger still hasn’t died down much, nearly 4 years after leaving my ex, and I’m okay with that. Maybe I just have to work through it, but it’s not going anywhere and I can’t get it to go no matter how many “don’t be angry, be happy” bumper stickers/inspirational Instagram posts I see. F~~~ that s~~~.I agree with Carnage that it’s wrong to make happiness your goal. Actually I think the idea of having happiness as your goal can be pretty blue pill and certainly runs through a lot of our consumerist world. Even Jordan Peterson has problems with making happiness your goal lol.
That’s why I said you can’t just tell people to “just to be happy”. Most people cannot shortcut the process they need to go through. Most cannot simply say “f~~~ it all” and stop caring about everything.
If so we would be able to renounce it all to live in a barrel like that Diogenes fella, and be fine with it. But most can’t. We need material things. We need comforts. We have needs that need to be met before we reach our potential, there is a hierarchy of needs for most of us. The same is true of the animal world. Food, shelter, security. Diogenes was basically an alcoholic beggar bum.
I tried to make this clear in my post. “Don’t worry be happy” is funny. There is much wisdom in it, but it can also be trite. Many things in life are seemingly paradoxical. Years back I tried going straight to the wisdom of the greats, but it didn’t work. I wasn’t HAPPY. Then I chose to work on my soul, and now I am HAPPY. You can tell me I’m deluded and say “what is happiness” etc. But I know happiness when I feel it.
Is happiness permanent joy? No. Is it the absence of all negative emotion and experience? NO. I’m sorry but if you think this, or that’s what I’m saying, I am a little embarrassed for you. What good man would not be angered by injustice? Of course I get angry. But I realise that being angry most of the time is incredibly harmful.
I live my life like a normal human being. I get irritated, angry occasionally, stressed. I am nothing special. But these ‘things’ are the Tao, the natural way of life. These are simply emotions that signal something needs to be changed. What’s different is these things aren’t dominant over me now, and actually I experience peace and joy far more often.
I do not think I am lucky, I simply chose to believe this state of being existed, and because I believed, I sought and found it.
If you have removed all emotion from your life, you might be making a mistake. Emotions serve an important function. They should never control you, but to eliminate them completely is foolish. Some men think they’re being hard by putting on that front, but actually you’re not even having the b~~~~ to live fully as a human being. He became a shell of a man because the world made him.
The world made me a shell of a man and then I turned around and said f~~~ you, and the real man came back. Kind, loving, strong. And now it cannot be taken from me. You’d have to kill me, and I don’t fear that. Can’t you see how powerful that is?
My idea of becoming happy has nothing to do with the blue pilled idea of it. I say find happiness through truth, which is immediately incompatible with the blue pill version.
By all means adhere to the doctrine of nihilists. You’ll never be happy. You’ll exist and then die. Great. They will say that’s all there is anyway. Well, maybe they’re right. But I choose to feel some happiness while I’m here. For me it makes living worthwhile.This helps me understand a lot better what you’re saying, I think, and I see that what you mean by happiness is not the trite cliched idea of happiness.
Thanks for this interesting discussion! 🙂
There aren't holes in your pockets. It's called marriage.
Anonymous1Seek happiness. You can achieve it if you try.
Seek contentment. Happiness is a trap promoted by Advertising Firms and Consumerism. They want to keep you chasing after happiness by buying all this crap that is supposed to make you happy. New house, new car, trophy wife etc. etc.
The idea that life is all about pursuing your happiness is Hedonism. It leads to the pleasure seeking narcissistic “live for the moment” society that we live in now. Its all about “Me, Me, and Me” first and f~~~ everybody else. In such a society: Many have too much, but no one ever has enough.
Be content with what you have. Learn to accept your fate, however cruel it may be, and make the best of life with the cards you have been dealt. Happiness comes and goes like all fleeting emotions. Don’t try to hold on to it. Just let it go.
Anonymous38Seek happiness. You can achieve it if you try.
Seek contentment. Happiness is a trap promoted by Advertising Firms and Consumerism. They want to keep you chasing after happiness by buying all this crap that is supposed to make you happy. New house, new car, trophy wife etc. etc.
The idea that life is all about pursuing your happiness is Hedonism. It leads to the pleasure seeking narcissistic “live for the moment” society that we live in now. Its all about “Me, Me, and Me” first and f~~~ everybody else. In such a society: Many have too much, but no one ever has enough.
Be content with what you have. Learn to accept your fate, however cruel it may be, and make the best of life with the cards you have been dealt. Happiness comes and goes like all fleeting emotions. Don’t try to hold on to it. Just let it go.Yes contentment might be a better word for some. I dunno. I feel happy, for me contentment IS happiness. I admit he pursuit of happiness could be interpreted the wrong way but I don’t really care because I trust the men on this forum to see beyond the cliché, and I hoped to make that clear in my post anyway.
Anonymous38I have mixed feelings about this one. I do see what you’re saying, MGTaoist, but I also think there’s a danger that this kind of thinking turns into the “don’t be angry, be happy” platitudes which we’re surrounded with today. I’m not saying you’re like this, I’m just saying there’s a danger what you’re saying can degenerate into that.I actually think there’s a lot to be said for anger. Sure, anger can eat you up and destroy you, but anger can be an amazing fuel to propel you forward. A lot of my creative work comes out of anger at the s~~~ which other people in my field make. To be honest I like my anger.I’m sure the red pill rage does die down but to be honest my anger still hasn’t died down much, nearly 4 years after leaving my ex, and I’m okay with that. Maybe I just have to work through it, but it’s not going anywhere and I can’t get it to go no matter how many “don’t be angry, be happy” bumper stickers/inspirational Instagram posts I see. F~~~ that s~~~.I agree with Carnage that it’s wrong to make happiness your goal. Actually I think the idea of having happiness as your goal can be pretty blue pill and certainly runs through a lot of our consumerist world. Even Jordan Peterson has problems with making happiness your goal lol.
That’s why I said you can’t just tell people to “just to be happy”. Most people cannot shortcut the process they need to go through. Most cannot simply say “f~~~ it all” and stop caring about everything.If so we would be able to renounce it all to live in a barrel like that Diogenes fella, and be fine with it. But most can’t. We need material things. We need comforts. We have needs that need to be met before we reach our potential, there is a hierarchy of needs for most of us. The same is true of the animal world. Food, shelter, security. Diogenes was basically an alcoholic beggar bum.I tried to make this clear in my post. “Don’t worry be happy” is funny. There is much wisdom in it, but it can also be trite. Many things in life are seemingly paradoxical. Years back I tried going straight to the wisdom of the greats, but it didn’t work. I wasn’t HAPPY. Then I chose to work on my soul, and now I am HAPPY. You can tell me I’m deluded and say “what is happiness” etc. But I know happiness when I feel it.Is happiness permanent joy? No. Is it the absence of all negative emotion and experience? NO. I’m sorry but if you think this, or that’s what I’m saying, I am a little embarrassed for you. What good man would not be angered by injustice? Of course I get angry. But I realise that being angry most of the time is incredibly harmful.I live my life like a normal human being. I get irritated, angry occasionally, stressed. I am nothing special. But these ‘things’ are the Tao, the natural way of life. These are simply emotions that signal something needs to be changed. What’s different is these things aren’t dominant over me now, and actually I experience peace and joy far more often.I do not think I am lucky, I simply chose to believe this state of being existed, and because I believed, I sought and found it.If you have removed all emotion from your life, you might be making a mistake. Emotions serve an important function. They should never control you, but to eliminate them completely is foolish. Some men think they’re being hard by putting on that front, but actually you’re not even having the b~~~~ to live fully as a human being. He became a shell of a man because the world made him.The world made me a shell of a man and then I turned around and said f~~~ you, and the real man came back. Kind, loving, strong. And now it cannot be taken from me. You’d have to kill me, and I don’t fear that. Can’t you see how powerful that is?My idea of becoming happy has nothing to do with the blue pilled idea of it. I say find happiness through truth, which is immediately incompatible with the blue pill version.By all means adhere to the doctrine of nihilists. You’ll never be happy. You’ll exist and then die. Great. They will say that’s all there is anyway. Well, maybe they’re right. But I choose to feel some happiness while I’m here. For me it makes living worthwhile.
This helps me understand a lot better what you’re saying, I think, and I see that what you mean by happiness is not the trite cliched idea of happiness.
Thanks for this interesting discussion!
Thank you bro, glad I made it clearer.
As Carnage said: f~~~ it all. We are all dead and we will all die in the same manner, no matter who you are. So, if we all will die, what matter and what does not? Live your “death” to the fullest, whatever the means for doing that is like, for you. All else is bulls~~~.
Kenshi, yours are the words of a man who has nothing to live for. Whose brilliance is clouded by permanent negativity. I’ve been there, brother.
I am telling you you can move past it just as I did. But you have to want it, then believe it.
It’s easy to say ‘nah it don’t exist’ and do nothing. And hey, that’s your call. You may be ‘right’. BUT, you might never achieve happiness, and if that bothers you deep down…. it’s a different story, isn’t it.I can see the reasoning behind your words, brother, and they are correct.
The problem is that I have lots of things to live for, this life is a miracle, and it is too much precious to be wasted! But, life itself is meaningless, its end is to live, each one of us has to give the meaning for it that we want. There are no clouds, the cloud is long gone, brother. I can see really far, and nowhere at all, for life itself is infinity.Life exists, and at the same time, it does not. What is life? Is a mountain alive? And yet, there is so much life in it…
Happiness is a state of mind, brother. Some will be happy being a nihilist. Some will not. The things that make us happy are different, and yet, we can travel different roads to achieve the same end. Some of us are happy to be a monk. Some of us are happy to still have relationships, albeit short. Which one of the sides is wrong? Are they wrong at all?That is why I said that “Live your “death” to the fullest, whatever the means for doing that is like, for you. All else is bulls~~~.”, because in the end, it is all bulls~~~. Everything is devoid of meaning, for WE give the things around us their meanings. Give meaning to things, is the true purpose in life.
"Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.
What is happines?Where do you find it?What is made of?You cant seek happiness, that is a state of mind, you can choose to be happy or not.Rage all you want, hate all you want, what ever works for you, you will eventually grow out of it, takes time, be a better person or a worst person, it doesnt matter is all the same.You can agree or desagree with me, maybe im wrong, maybe im right, it doesnt matter, relax and enjoy the view, you will be dead in 60 years or sooner.
You can deconstruct everything so that nothing really means anything. But, we know happiness when we feel it. We know misery when we feel it.There is a degree of choice, however simply ‘choosing’ to be happy does not work. Or, it takes time and soul work to reach the point where you feel you can just ‘choose’. This is why I say seek happiness, in my case this was ridding myself of all/most delusions, suffering, complexes, etc. Happiness for me is something like the absence of all that crap. Most people cannot simply snap their fingers and choose to be happy or enjoy the environment, they need to work on improving themselves and their environment. You need to get to the root of why you hate, and cut it out.“Why improve yourself, is self masturbation, why do this, why do that. Is all bulls~~~. Blah blah blah.” Except it’s not. We are partly material entities in a partly material world. The material world affects us, Tyler Durden wannabe. There’s a lot of truth in what you’re saying, but that doesn’t work for a lot of men. Improving one’s mind leads to genuinely increased peace, harmony, happiness. As something of an anarchist you say “f~~~ it all”. I am skeptical as to whether you feel anything close to happiness and suspect there is more hate and rage than joy in your daily life.If you genuinely want the world to burn then you are a hypocrite by staying alive. For the will to live suggests hope for something better, deep down there is love and kindness in your heart, but you’re too much of a pussy to show it. Probably doesn’t help being a Doctor Carnage (how about change your profession).
If you are not ready to die at any moment, or you fail to walk down in life as if you are dead already, you have a thing or two to learn in Taosim yet, brother. Clinging to life is a mistake, one that many people take for granted.I take Carnage words over yours, in this matter. Carnage reached farther in this curve. Life is Always moving, and clinging to it is to live in perpetual state of greif and sadness.As Carnage said: f~~~ it all. We are all dead and we will all die in the same manner, no matter who you are. So, if we all will die, what matter and what does not? Live your “death” to the fullest, whatever the means for doing that is like, for you. All else is bulls~~~.
I’m curious how you’ve deduced I’m “clinging to life”.
I do not fear death. I accept whatever comes with equanimity, that is the Tao.
A lot of people make the mistake of thinking “surely a Buddhist or Taoist wouldn’t be angry or bothered by anything”. Wrong. A Buddhist or Taoist is a normal human being. He does not pretend to be anything else.In here, brother:
I am skeptical as to whether you feel anything close to happiness and suspect there is more hate and rage than joy in your daily life.If you genuinely want the world to burn then you are a hypocrite by staying alive. For the will to live suggests hope for something better, deep down there is love and kindness in your heart, but you’re too much of a pussy to show it. Probably doesn’t help being a Doctor Carnage (how about change your profession).
You say that if your will to live is present, it means that you hope for something better, when in fact, it does not. Not only that, but living “while clinging to hope” is bound to bring you despair, for you lust after “a better situation”. What is a better situation? It probably is not the same thing for me and for you…
Lust is one of the manifestations of desire, and those leads to disgrace. Desire is the root of all evil, lose it and find yourself."Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.
Timely topic. One that should be brought up every few months as a reminder. The ultimate goal in being mgtow is getting past the rage and hate to live a happy fulfilled life.
mgtow is its own worst enemy- https://www.campusreform.org/
Timely topic. One that should be brought up every few months as a reminder. The ultimate goal in being mgtow is getting past the rage and hate to live a happy fulfilled life.
I don’t want to be happy; I simply want to lead a content, tranquil life.
All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.
I say f~~~ it all, you know why?Couse i will be FINE, if world is ok, tgere is peace and cumbaya great, i will enjoy it.If the world go into madness and mad max fantasy, EVEN BETTER. i will be fine.I dont care what happens to you or any one, I WILL BE FINE, and if im not fine… Ohh well, guess is over, was a nice ride.You wanna improve your selft? GO AHEAD, DO IT, MORE POWER TO YOU.But here comes the funny part, if you dont, IT DOESNT MATTER, you are gonna die any way, genius, loser, beta, alfa, chad, nice guy, trash cleaner, millionaire, we all die the same.Do what ever you want, if you manage to be a leach all of your life and live at the expense of others effort, WELL DONE, if you become a succesufull member of society, WELL DONE, but you dont have to, you can choose, is your life, there is no right answer, it doesnt matter, learn to say F~~~ IT I WILL DO THIS BECOUSE I WANT TO OR WONT BECOUSE I DONT WANT.i do as i wish, i say as i please, there might be consecuences to my acts and words, but that is normal and logical, but dont even think for a second i will surrender and go down quietly, i will pay the price for my mistakes if they force, but if the world does not have the strength to put me down god (im a non believer ia just an expresion) have mercy, couse i will show no mercy as nature intended.
Your post has just negated any reasons why any man should be mgtow. Take some time and figure it out.
Exactly. Carnage is claiming acceptance of everything and no care about anything. If that were the case, there’d be no need to be a MGTOW. He’s become a MGTOW for some reason. He says survival. But why try to survive – kind of goes against a lot of what he writes.
Ok, i see you are dense, im gonna say it few times.
Ready?
IM NOT A MGTOW.
I DIDNT BECAME MGTOW.
IM NOT PART OF MGTOW.
I AM MGTOW, all of me, there is now you, no web page, no sandman, no nothing, just ME.
I DONT GIVE A RAT ASS ABOUT YOU, KEYMASTER OR ANYTHING, IM HERE BECOUSE IS FUN.i got the knowledge now, if all “mgtows” or “bachelors” or “redpills” died right now I WOLDNT GIVE TWO F~~~S.
in fact i wish it wold happen, those are a few millions capable assholes i woldnt have to worry about.
I DONT CARE ABOUT MGTOW, IS MY WAY, NOT YOUR WAY, KEYMASTER WAY, TFM WAY, IS MY WAY, i live as i wish, if i decide to go machine gun crazy tomorrow IS OK. for as long as it is my decisión, i think suicide is ok, i think using babies for experiments is fine, for as long as it doesnt concern me I DONT CARE.
Im too busy doing nothing to care about doing something, im apathetic, lazy and a coward, becouse i choosed to and i like it that way.
Is it clear now?
To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.
Timely topic. One that should be brought up every few months as a reminder. The ultimate goal in being mgtow is getting past the rage and hate to live a happy fulfilled life.
I don’t want to be happy; I simply want to lead a content, tranquil life.
Content and Tranquil, at least to me and I am sure a lot of others is a happy life.
mgtow is its own worst enemy- https://www.campusreform.org/
Anonymous38I say f~~~ it all, you know why?Couse i will be FINE, if world is ok, tgere is peace and cumbaya great, i will enjoy it.If the world go into madness and mad max fantasy, EVEN BETTER. i will be fine.I dont care what happens to you or any one, I WILL BE FINE, and if im not fine… Ohh well, guess is over, was a nice ride.You wanna improve your selft? GO AHEAD, DO IT, MORE POWER TO YOU.But here comes the funny part, if you dont, IT DOESNT MATTER, you are gonna die any way, genius, loser, beta, alfa, chad, nice guy, trash cleaner, millionaire, we all die the same.Do what ever you want, if you manage to be a leach all of your life and live at the expense of others effort, WELL DONE, if you become a succesufull member of society, WELL DONE, but you dont have to, you can choose, is your life, there is no right answer, it doesnt matter, learn to say F~~~ IT I WILL DO THIS BECOUSE I WANT TO OR WONT BECOUSE I DONT WANT.i do as i wish, i say as i please, there might be consecuences to my acts and words, but that is normal and logical, but dont even think for a second i will surrender and go down quietly, i will pay the price for my mistakes if they force, but if the world does not have the strength to put me down god (im a non believer ia just an expresion) have mercy, couse i will show no mercy as nature intended.
Your post has just negated any reasons why any man should be mgtow. Take some time and figure it out.
Exactly. Carnage is claiming acceptance of everything and no care about anything. If that were the case, there’d be no need to be a MGTOW. He’s become a MGTOW for some reason. He says survival. But why try to survive – kind of goes against a lot of what he writes.
Ok, i see you are dense, im gonna say it few times.Ready?IM NOT A MGTOW.I DIDNT BECAME MGTOW.IM NOT PART OF MGTOW.I AM MGTOW, all of me, there is now you, no web page, no sandman, no nothing, just ME.I DONT GIVE A RAT ASS ABOUT YOU, KEYMASTER OR ANYTHING, IM HERE BECOUSE IS FUN.
i got the knowledge now, if all “mgtows” or “bachelors” or “redpills” died right now I WOLDNT GIVE TWO F~~~S.
in fact i wish it wold happen, those are a few millions capable assholes i woldnt have to worry about.
I DONT CARE ABOUT MGTOW, IS MY WAY, NOT YOUR WAY, KEYMASTER WAY, TFM WAY, IS MY WAY, i live as i wish, if i decide to go machine gun crazy tomorrow IS OK. for as long as it is my decisión, i think suicide is ok, i think using babies for experiments is fine, for as long as it doesnt concern me I DONT CARE.
Im too busy doing nothing to care about doing something, im apathetic, lazy and a coward, becouse i choosed to and i like it that way.
Is it clear now?I’m dense? You talk a lot about how you think now, what about how you switched from normal guy to what you are?
If you had always been a genuine psychopath that could explain a real lack of care. If that is the case then I am wrong about you because you might be unable to feel those good loving things I talked about. However you used to be a normal guy and were turned.. that leaves me suspicious. Seems to me you’re living the ‘scorched earth’ philosophy to outdo the world which you perceive as evil/indifferent to yourself.
That is a good man turned bad. If that’s the case, have the b~~~~ to be your real self. You’re good at rationalising it away just like a woman.
Anonymous38What is happines?Where do you find it?What is made of?You cant seek happiness, that is a state of mind, you can choose to be happy or not.Rage all you want, hate all you want, what ever works for you, you will eventually grow out of it, takes time, be a better person or a worst person, it doesnt matter is all the same.You can agree or desagree with me, maybe im wrong, maybe im right, it doesnt matter, relax and enjoy the view, you will be dead in 60 years or sooner.
You can deconstruct everything so that nothing really means anything. But, we know happiness when we feel it. We know misery when we feel it.There is a degree of choice, however simply ‘choosing’ to be happy does not work. Or, it takes time and soul work to reach the point where you feel you can just ‘choose’. This is why I say seek happiness, in my case this was ridding myself of all/most delusions, suffering, complexes, etc. Happiness for me is something like the absence of all that crap. Most people cannot simply snap their fingers and choose to be happy or enjoy the environment, they need to work on improving themselves and their environment. You need to get to the root of why you hate, and cut it out.“Why improve yourself, is self masturbation, why do this, why do that. Is all bulls~~~. Blah blah blah.” Except it’s not. We are partly material entities in a partly material world. The material world affects us, Tyler Durden wannabe. There’s a lot of truth in what you’re saying, but that doesn’t work for a lot of men. Improving one’s mind leads to genuinely increased peace, harmony, happiness. As something of an anarchist you say “f~~~ it all”. I am skeptical as to whether you feel anything close to happiness and suspect there is more hate and rage than joy in your daily life.If you genuinely want the world to burn then you are a hypocrite by staying alive. For the will to live suggests hope for something better, deep down there is love and kindness in your heart, but you’re too much of a pussy to show it. Probably doesn’t help being a Doctor Carnage (how about change your profession).
If you are not ready to die at any moment, or you fail to walk down in life as if you are dead already, you have a thing or two to learn in Taosim yet, brother. Clinging to life is a mistake, one that many people take for granted.I take Carnage words over yours, in this matter. Carnage reached farther in this curve. Life is Always moving, and clinging to it is to live in perpetual state of greif and sadness.As Carnage said: f~~~ it all. We are all dead and we will all die in the same manner, no matter who you are. So, if we all will die, what matter and what does not? Live your “death” to the fullest, whatever the means for doing that is like, for you. All else is bulls~~~.
I’m curious how you’ve deduced I’m “clinging to life”.I do not fear death. I accept whatever comes with equanimity, that is the Tao.A lot of people make the mistake of thinking “surely a Buddhist or Taoist wouldn’t be angry or bothered by anything”. Wrong. A Buddhist or Taoist is a normal human being. He does not pretend to be anything else.
In here, brother:
I am skeptical as to whether you feel anything close to happiness and suspect there is more hate and rage than joy in your daily life.If you genuinely want the world to burn then you are a hypocrite by staying alive. For the will to live suggests hope for something better, deep down there is love and kindness in your heart, but you’re too much of a pussy to show it. Probably doesn’t help being a Doctor Carnage (how about change your profession).
You say that if your will to live is present, it means that you hope for something better, when in fact, it does not. Not only that, but living “while clinging to hope” is bound to bring you despair, for you lust after “a better situation”. What is a better situation? It probably is not the same thing for me and for you…Lust is one of the manifestations of desire, and those leads to disgrace. Desire is the root of all evil, lose it and find yourself.
A living thing always strives for more. More food, security, comfort. That’s what I meant by hope. Possibly not the best word choice, as we can see it’s easy from there to connect the word ‘lust’, which has a clear negative connotation.
Try to understand the overall meaning rather than taking one word and reaching another word which can disprove my idea out of context.
Anonymous38You will never be happy if you continue to search for what happiness consists of. You will never live if you are looking for the meaning of life.
~A CamusI think this quote shows why my post is contentious. Camus is right, in a sense. If you are looking for ‘a thing’ or ‘things’ to make you happy, then yes, you’ll never be happy. Because happiness comes from within.
However, you can reach that happiness from within if you reach for it. In my case it was thinking deeply, introspecting, reading and internalising some of the wisdom of the greats, and creating the life circumstances in which I could be happy.
This process creates ‘meaning’ looking back over your life. So perhaps the message is ‘create happiness and meaning’.
Thanks gents.
I think there are stages to this…red pill is a bitter, bitter pill. Some men and up in a NFG place like Carnage (from what I can see). Some are philosophers like MGTaoist. There are damn good reasons for red pill rage and depression. Few men here are unscathed by this crazy world we live in. They are all valid and all personal responses. We are not all cut from the same cloth. Each man can seek the comforts of the world in his own (safe) way and that I think is the MGTOW way, to work out the path for yourself.
If you fall down 7 times, get up 8
Anonymous38I think there are stages to this…red pill is a bitter, bitter pill. Some men and up in a NFG place like Carnage (from what I can see). Some are philosophers like MGTaoist. There are damn good reasons for red pill rage and depression. Few men here are unscathed by this crazy world we live in. They are all valid and all personal responses. We are not all cut from the same cloth. Each man can seek the comforts of the world in his own (safe) way and that I think is the MGTOW way, to work out the path for yourself.
Well said. I think sometimes though, guidance is called for, in order for men to find that which they seek. The time is over for men just leaving each other to their own devices, I care about other men going through what men go through.
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