Don't ever say "forever"

[Math RoninParticipant 86]

Hi,

 

This is not a serious post, just something funny I saw today that reminded me of women and relationships.

Today, I came across this film called “Burying the Ex” (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3339674/) about a guy who finds the “perfect girl” until she moves in with him and begins to control very aspect of his life. He’s fed up with her but before he can deal with the issue, she is killed. You would think that would end it, but no…..she comes back from the dead because he said he would love her forever….LOL.

It also reminded me of how in my own past, girls had no trouble dumping me because they were “vaguely dissatisfied” (and I was supposed to stoically “take it like a man” after I had spent so much on her and sacrificed so much) but when I tried to to dump them, it was hours of psychotherapy about what was wrong with me, followed by nasty vindictive behavior.

[RoyDalParticipant]

I’ve been there and done that too. My only ‘happy’ endings were the ones where she broke up with me, or thought she did.

One writer said a divorce is worse than a death, because your Ex keeps coming back and haunting you on holidays and family occasions.

I hate being divorced; I’d rather be a widower. –Emo Philips

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[SMADParticipant 651]

Math Ronin wrote:

It also reminded me of how in my own past, girls had no trouble dumping me because they were “vaguely dissatisfied” (and I was supposed to stoically “take it like a man” after I had spent so much on her and sacrificed so much) but when I tried to to dump them, it was hours of psychotherapy about what was wrong with me, followed by nasty vindictive behavior.

If I may direct you to a thread I started a while back in regards to “Feigning Beta” – it’s not the *best* way but if women turn out to be particularly “unhinged” then I *may *deliberately turn into a wet blanket so that they no longer feel “attracted” to me – they soon head off in search of new prey.

/forums/topic/feigning-beta-mgtow-toolkit/

Marriage?  No thanks, i'm not ready to be THAT miserable.

[Math RoninParticipant 86]

You’re a genius dude 🙂

I learned this by accident just this summer. Right now, I am in the middle of a career change, and it’s scary at times. I was getting to know this women who I thought might be a NOWALT, and so I disclosed some of my insecurities and fears to her. To my surprise, rather than help bolster and support me, she gave me a two hour lecture on how unattractive a male without confidence was and how she was now concerned that I might not be as stable and secure as she thought I initially was. I got the message of the lecture, although it was not the one she intended…hehe

I thought she was NOWALT because she loved me for who I was. I’m learning that while “soulmates” or “unconditional love” may exist, the probability of me finding it  in this lifetime really doesn’t make it worthy of my time and efforts unless I see exceptional proof.

[SMADParticipant 651]

Math Ronin wrote:

rather than help bolster and support me, she gave me a two hour lecture on how unattractive a male without confidence was and how she was now concerned that I might not be as stable and secure as she thought I initially was

You sir, escaped fairly lightly.  You have gained several levels of “experience” for not much “cost.”

Treat that as a “good” experience over-all and to do your best to make all future “experiences” have a similar cost / reward ratio.

DING! Gratz!

Marriage?  No thanks, i'm not ready to be THAT miserable.

[Math RoninParticipant 86]

SMAD wrote:

Treat that as a “good” experience over-all and to do your best to make all future “experiences” have a similar cost / reward ratio. DING! Gratz!

Very well put.

I’m used to women from the “old school” who support their men. I realize now this species of women (NOWALTSUS extinctus) is in the display case right next to the dinosaurs.

[EdogParticipant 254]

Math Ronin wrote:

It also reminded me of how in my own past, girls had no trouble dumping me because they were “vaguely dissatisfied” (and I was supposed to stoically “take it like a man” after I had spent so much on her and sacrificed so much) but when I tried to to dump them, it was hours of psychotherapy about what was wrong with me, followed by nasty vindictive behavior.

We’ve all had this experience. Females have no accountability, so they project their own issues onto you and then blame you for the situation. They’ll throw anything they can at you to get the discussion away from reason and logic because they will always fail that argument. But arguing from emotional manipulation is what they are masters of. So they try to belittle YOUR ego and make YOU wilt. This display makes it clear that it was never about you to begin with. Because if she saw all these things the whole time, then why was she staying with you? Simply because you were a resource. As soon as a female begins to suspect you have broken their spell, that’s when you see them for who they really are, and it’s usually quite ugly.

Math Ronin wrote:

To my surprise, rather than help bolster and support me, she gave me a two hour lecture on how unattractive a male without confidence was and how she was now concerned that I might not be as stable and secure as she thought I initially was. I got the message of the lecture, although it was not the one she intended…hehe

Again reinforcing the notion that us men are nothing but resources. As soon as she saw you might actually need some nurturing, care, and attention to yourself, you became a chore to her. She wants a ‘yes man’. Someone to dote on her and squire her about town and show her off. It’s about HER. It’s not about you. You’re supposed to be emotionally independent and not need her to show you emotion in return. It’s not about you, it’s about HER.

It’s amazing how we all have so many similar tales. The women who question us don’t really have a clue just how well honed some of our bulls~~~ detectors are at this point. Mine goes off as soon as most of them start to speak.

[GunslingerParticipant 242]

I couldn’t’ agree with you more Math. I have said that “forever” word, and it’s about to be over. However, I’m starting realize it will be the best experience I could have, because now at 28 I have figured out that I don’t need a woman to be happy, I’ll be happy because I can do whatever I want. It Could have been worse, her leaving me at 50 and having to rebuild more aspects of my life. Now I can just sit back, and watch the money pile up.

[Math RoninParticipant 86]

Edog wrote:

Math Ronin wrote:

To my surprise, rather than help bolster and support me, she gave me a two hour lecture on how unattractive a male without confidence was and how she was now concerned that I might not be as stable and secure as she thought I initially was. I got the message of the lecture, although it was not the one she intended…hehe

Again reinforcing the notion that us men are nothing but resources. As soon as she saw you might actually need some nurturing, care, and attention to yourself, you became a chore to her. She wants a ‘yes man’. Someone to dote on her and squire her about town and show her off. It’s about HER. It’s not about you. You’re supposed to be emotionally independent and not need her to show you emotion in return. It’s not about you, it’s about HER. It’s amazing how we all have so many similar tales. The women who question us don’t really have a clue just how well honed some of our bulls~~~ detectors are at this point. Mine goes off as soon as most of them start to speak.

It’s funny you say that because one of the reasons why my “confession” bothered her was that she said “I was becoming too much work“. This comment really floored me because I hadn’t asked her for anything: not advice or help of any kind. If anything, I’ve been the one who has had to listen to countless hours of her depressing life and all the trivial things she has to suffer. I was just in a down mood (which I rarely get in) and down on myself at the moment. I assumed this was something that all good friends do from time to time: share their difficulties, struggles, doubts, and fears. When I asked her to explain, she told me she “worries about the people she loves” and now she felt like she had to “be more like a mother to me, worrying about me instead of like a lover“. And obviously, since I was more like a baby to her now and required more work, this made our relationship less appealing to her.  I wanted to believe her at the time, but her statement honestly made no sense to me. In fact, it was so illogical, I didn’t even know how to respond. But now I see what she did: by posing her problem with me as a consequence of her caring for me, it masked her obvious selfishness. I know, you are probably laughing that I’m this naive, but I really didn’t see any of this until right now.

We’ve since then taken the romantic option off the table (thank God), and I had hoped we could at least be best friends, but I’m starting to even wonder about that now. The reason why I say this is because of what you said earlier in your response, which is that her “display makes it clear that it was never about you to begin with”, and I think you’re right. I’ve noticed that every time something good happens in my life (I make more money or lose weight) and it’s in an area in which she is struggling, she gets upset when I tell her my good news. She basically makes it seem like I’m hurting her knowing how poorly she’s doing in that area and then by telling her my good news, I’m reminding her of that. Make any sense to you? Me neither

You know, I started off really intending this as a humorous post with my personal experience just as a corroborating side comment. But the responses I got back have been very insightful and have helped understand things that have happened to me so clearly. I suppose because I wanted to believe her and think she was “all that” I took her statements seriously, never thinking they were just psychological tactics. At the same, this knowledge, while good to have, just raises more frustrating questions about what you can expect out of a relationship with a female. Just sex?

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Gunslinger wrote:

I couldn’t’ agree with you more Math. I have said that “forever” word, and it’s about to be over. However, I’m starting realize it will be the best experience I could have, because now at 28 I have figured out that I don’t need a woman to be happy, I’ll be happy because I can do whatever I want. It Could have been worse, her leaving me at 50 and having to rebuild more aspects of my life. Now I can just sit back, and watch the money pile up.

Haha welcome to my life!  In my early 20s I really thought I wanted to get married if I could just find the right girl.  By my mid 20s I felt like a failure I hadn’t found that right girl.  By my late 20s I realized I was actually winning the game by not being married…f~~~ that s~~~.  I’m 31 now, I can do whatever I want, whenever I want, with whoever I want, and I get full control of my finances.  Its pretty nice being able to plan for an early retirement without having to worry about a divorce in your 40s or 50s totally f~~~ing up 20-30 years of hard work and planning.

[EdogParticipant 254]

Math Ronin wrote:

I wanted to believe her at the time, but her statement honestly made no sense to me. In fact, it was so illogical, I didn’t even know how to respond.

LMAO!!

Just a few days back in another topic, I gave a little story where, after cornering the female in question and telling her that she wasn’t making any sense, she replies with “it doesn’t have to make any sense, it’s just how I feel!”. I noted how my first response would LOGICALLY be that the statement itself makes no sense, but notice, she took that away already. It doesn’t have to make sense. And this is justified how? Based on her feelings. This means that as a man, you’re really just supposed to roll with the punches. Dodge, duck, dip, dive, and dodge. You’ll get hit with a few as well. But your job is to take a lickin and keep on tickin.

And hey man, your relationship is yours to do with as you please. But you’ll find a lot of knowledge littered in some of the topics here that you’ll likely find thought provoking. Just know that females are all ego and emotion. Learn just that little bit here and you’ll already be better equipped. Their radical appeals to illogical thought process will have less and less effect on you, and you’ll just see it all as confirmation of what you should be coming to expect.

 

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