Feigning Beta – MGTOW Toolkit

[SMADParticipant 651]

So recently, “Feigning Beta” has been mentioned by some of us such as myself, Keymaster etc, as a useful tactic to “push away” women (if you are a dating MGTOW.)

After a few days, I thought it would be worth writing a post more in depth about this, as I believe that Feigning Beta is a useful weapon to have in a MGTOWs Toolkit.

The reason is that, whilst I would MUCH PREFER to be very direct and blunt to a woman, unfortunately most of the time you get a horrendous backlash, as many women can’t handle being “refused” or denied romantically.  Therefore, by Feigning Beta, it has worked (at least for me) with MUCH less backlash – basically Friendzoning Yourself CONSCIOUSLY.

Think about it.  Every time a guy gets “friend zoned” the backlash from women is greatly reduced / minimised, as they just think you are sweet but will generally leave you alone.  If, however, you respond by being an absolute dick or, even just a general “sorry I am not into you” , you end up with this whirlwind of emotion coming your way and you get the emails and phonecalls, etc.

How can you acquire and build this (in my opinion) important skill?  For starters, think about all the things you KNOW are UNATTRACTIVE to women.  Neediness, being a bit of a wussy, etc.  Basically, you engage these activities.  But the difference here is that you KNOW what you are doing, where as “True Betas” don’t realise where they go wrong.  You, however, will have the advantage in being able to “control” your Feigned Beta.  You will soon find they depart and get the “I think we should just be friends” message – and all it took was a little bit of acting.

Now, Feigned Beta shouldn’t involve spending money – don’t do Beta things like buying endless gifts, etc.  That’s just silly.

I appreciate that for many MGTOW, they do not date and so this might not be of much relevance.  For me, Feigning Beta is only used on the women who turn out to be very needy, clingy and possibly a bit psychotic.  In these cases, having a whirling dervish nutcase harassing you is never good so diffusing these women with Feigned Beta, in my opinion, has worked like a charm.  They move on, leave you alone, and you can breath a sigh of relief at your near miss experience.  Your home and possessions are safe.  Your car does not get keyed / scratched.

As I stated at the start of this post, my PREFERRED option would be to be direct and just say no.  But sadly, this doesn’t always work, hence why I have shared this concept of Feigned Beta.  I appreciate it might not seem very “mature” or whatever, but my counter argument is that in the Modern World, it is becoming more about survival and so Feigning Beta is about self preservation.

On an end note, it’s always amusing to see previous dates turn up, thinking you are a nice “guy” only for you to have an “upgraded” woman on your arm for the night.  That ALWAYS get’s their hamsters going.  All the while, in my mind, I am feeling smug and thinking “I can enjoy the *decent* bits of dating, but not get dragged into the crappy bits.”  For you all you dating MGTOWs – Learn what ATTRACTS women, so that you can do the COMPLETE OPPOSITE to REPEL them.

I look forward to all your comments, thoughts and constructive criticism, Gentlemen!

 

 

Marriage?  No thanks, i'm not ready to be THAT miserable.

[RoyDalParticipant]

“My parole offices says I have to be home before curfew but I can’t have guests either.” (This one might backfire big time.)

“My mommy says I have to be home before curfew.” (Shows great promise.)

“I’m broke.” (Never fails.)

“Sure, let’s go out! Can you loan me a hundred bucks?” (Never fails.)

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[VictorParticipant 124]

Good idea in its own way but isn’t this sort of thing just playing into the hands of women by encouraging these distorted perceptions and contrivances about male behaviour?  “Alpha, “Beta”, etc. – sounds like a natural history programme.  Human beings aren’t an appropriate template for such simplistic notions.   It’s appropriate for, say, ants, who are also socially complex, but not for a species with large brains, a sophisticated emotional facility and an advanced technical civilisation.

Besides, even if these terms do have some basic empirical and anecdotal validity, the reality must be that what one woman sees as “Beta”-like behaviour, another woman might see as “Alpha”-like.  For instance, I might say: “I need to be home by 4 p.m. for my mother”.  One woman might think that is a sign of weakness, while another woman might, equally, see that as a signal of commitment to family members, which is especially “nice” if it’s your mother – a lot of women like that sort of thing.  You know, men who like/respect/get on with/are attentive to their mothers.  Good sign for a woman, I should have thought, because someday she’ll be a mother too and might want a son/daughter with the same attitude.  Oh, don’t worry – I know what you’re driving at here, but my point is there’s potentially at least two ways of looking at the same situation.

Anyway, you can’t really choose whether you are attractive to one person or the other.  Wouldn’t it be better to work on suggestions for MGTOW-minded men about how to deal with such situations, if they arise?

For me, one aspect of MGTOW should be about how to build positive relationships with women, in all situations.  We can’t run away from women or magic them away – and personally, I wouldn’t want to.  I agree with a lot of what is said on this site about how we have possibly been handed the worst-ever generation of women.  Our generation of men is cursed in that respect.  I personally blame the baby-boomers for a lot of it, but whatever, we are where we are, so we have to make the best of it.

[SMADParticipant 651]

Victor wrote:

Anyway, you can’t really choose whether you are attractive to one person or the other…Human beings aren’t an appropriate template for such simplistic notions..

Interesting post, thank you for your reply.  In regards to the above quote, however, I would disagree in some sense.  I do believe that you can CHOOSE to be attractive or unattractive.  For example, if I were to date a woman, I might wear my nicest clothes and aftershave, let’s say.  But as time goes on, you could CHOOSE to not put as much effort in and therefore MAKE yourself unattractive.

Also, I agree that whilst humans are very complex, I have benefited MASSIVELY in life by simplifying problems and situations.  It leads to a very ruthless mentality, I agree, but the most stressful part of my day is deciding when to make a cup of tea.  I simplify as MUCH of my life as possible and the complex stuff I reserve for my work: as an engineer / scientist I enjoy the complexity of these fields and so that feels like a useful expenditure of my energy.  Therefore, the whole thing of “Beta Feigning” actually feels like a more simplistic answer to resolving “unconventional” women as opposed to complex, drawn out social interactions.

Victor wrote:

Good idea in its own way but isn’t this sort of thing just playing into the hands of women by encouraging these distorted perceptions and contrivances about male behaviour?

An interesting thought, although I don’t think it’s playing into their hands, as such.  If they want to waste THEIR energy on thinking “woe is me, why are there no decent guys out there” then that is THEIR energy and time being used, not mine.  Whilst they sit around having group therapy sessions with the sisterhood, I am off having the best time doing my own thing, going my own way and not even thinking about it.

Victor wrote:

For me, one aspect of MGTOW should be about how to build positive relationships with women, in all situations.

I agree with this, but I would only want to build positive relationships with women who have something PRODUCTIVE to offer.  I wouldn’t want to waste my time trying to be friends with everyone.  I keep it civil in the workplace to make MY life easier, not to appease anyone else’s needs.

Victor wrote:

I agree with a lot of what is said on this site about how we have possibly been handed the worst-ever generation of women.  Our generation of men is cursed in that respect.

Absolutely.  There is a wonderfully broad range of MGTOW’s here and the beauty of MGTOW is that we all have beliefs which are a variation of a theme, unlike Feminism which seems to be much more of a “herd” mentality.  Rational discussion and debate is always appreciated!

Marriage?  No thanks, i'm not ready to be THAT miserable.

[Anonymous 11]

The actual Beta Feign needed is going to vary with each wench. Like SMAD said, you do the complete opposite to attract them.

Two cases from my files:

One relationship I had ended after a nearly 2 year run. I turned my back and walked away after she pulled out the hypergamy card and went back to an ex of hers who had a mother that gave him money, cars, and two houses one on the beach. She turned on me like a rabid coon and dogged me for months. She’d call me at work. She’d leave nasty notes on my car all while riding another c~~~. I later learned that she only got that angry because I did not pursue her which did not validate herself enough in her mind. No, pursuing her would have not made a difference either other than I would have had less of my ass ripped. It would have been way easier on me to have feigned Beta.

The other one was the Borderline bitch who I mentioned in the mother thread to this. I was dealing with a nut who humiliated me in public trying pickup a bartender and cuckold me to boot. She was dead to me as far as I was concerned after that night yet I knew she had once filed fake rape charges so I knew I had to handle her with kid gloves. The Beta Feigning made that an extremely clean break for me. She even told me she was going to go easy on me which she did.

One normal woman who shredded me to hell and back, because I acted like John Wayne. Another woman with a serious personality disorder known to induce them to do hideous things to their exs who let me go fairly cleanly, because I feigned Beta before her. I just knew it was the right way to handle her based on my instincts. Of course, Keymaster named it very appropriately.

I’ll never be in a relations~~~ again, but swallowing your pride and feigning Beta may be very useful in some circumstances.

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

Don’t shower for a week and she will dump you. :O

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[Anonymous 11]

I don’t know CC not showering for a week would indicate you are dysfunctional. That one might just backfire. 😉

[FullMetalExoParticipant 2383]

I agree. Basically, it’s the same way I deal with crazy/dangerous people, I try to not look like Im ridiculing anyone, I do smile and be nice…and drift away.

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[Mango IngawayParticipant 2264]

One fake poverty a day keeps the leeches away, lmao.
Feigning beta is the best tool to avoid backlash and unwanted interactions/relations~~~s. Not attracting them is not really a great loss (lmao), so that’s a 100% beneficial tactic as a mghow.

It is a common failing of childhood to think that if one makes a hero out of a demon the demon will be satisfied.

[MadmanParticipant 772]

Maybe all of our “complex human behavior” really isnt anything special.  What we think is our mind/consciousness may actually just be highly evolved form of instint. What do we use our technology for nowadays besides f~~~ing chicks, waging wars, etc? Its all basic human behavior. Ultimately the end is the same for all creatures wether “intelligent” or not.

Anenomes dont have brains, but I cant keep this little f~~~er in one spot in my tank. Every morning it is up on the side of the glass.

 

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