Doing the right thing with women

[JackinovParticipant 5229]

Oooooh boy.

AWALT. Even if they are socially trained to not. AWALT. But it’s nice if you had the “perfect” family growing up.

Also, lol at the tags: “18 virgin teen slut whore divorcee bisexual loser beta male blue pill”

are you a chia pet in man drag

[VerityPhantomSpectator 263]

@michael You question my knowledge of history? my ancestry was here before the white man brother. I’m a native American (1/4 apache) and we were the MOST enslaved race I know of, I am offended by you saying white this and perfect mom that. Maybe your life was perfect TO YOU, and I am sorry your life was SO PERFECT to be honest. It just further instills your arrogance and how little you know of true suffering, your people gave my people disease and deceit. so if you’re some sort of white supremacist I don’t even give a f~~~, but don’t think you can say that s~~~ as long as I’m here on this site. So f~~~ off with your views, I will never let a man like you speak out like that without retaliation. After-all… Do not forget THIS WAS MY LAND FIRST. YOU ARE THE IMMIGRANT, not me. Perfect parents, perfect childhood, I’m so happy for you. If you haven’t suffered than you don’t belong here brother, MGTOW are not misogynists who want to go back to the plantation because 3rd wave feminism got out of control. We want to escape it and burn it to the f~~~ing ground, take some thought about my words if you are a male. Man OR woman I want to put you through a f~~~ing wall right now because of your ignorance, true MGTOW Do not see skin color or race. When it comes to men, we are ALL under the same f~~~ing rules of oppression. I’m not here to promote skin, hair, eye, or speech differentiation, be lucky you’re not standing in front of me right now. Because I am so mad at you brother. I want to put my f~~~ing fist through your stupid f~~~ing face right now.

[JackinovParticipant 5229]

Michael wrote:

VerityPhantom wrote:

@michael “Our parents came from a different era. My mother dated and married my father when she was young (dated at 19, married at 21 had me at 26). My mother is an angel sent from heaven and is literally the last pure hearted loving caring kind white women left in the United States. This is the fundamental example we were raised with.”

^^^ “his” recent activity.

I smell some f~~~ing tuna, I’m on to you Michael. Get off my f~~~ing “safe space” my eyes are on you now, I am an infiltrator sniffer dog and the way you convey yourself is suspect to me. I see you trying to pull that “white cis genedered male” BS here and I’m not even white, but race does not (and should not) matter to any true MGTOW, yet you had to add all that in didn’t you? What are you trying to do? Find out if you’d get a bunch of praise/stars for that remark? Then go report to your feminazis how you’re all right about us and that we’re nothing but misogynists? This isn’t an attack, just a heads up that you have a bloodhound sniffing around. If you are a male cut out your racist crap.

Everyone knows our Mothers are no better than the women we f~~~, female nature takes no prisoners. I haven’t ever heard of a single MGTOW ever PRAISING there mother, and believe me I am keen on EVERY MGTOW man of note. I ingest this s~~~ like food and water, it is never ending for me, I will become a MGTOW master in time.

More editing: Interesting… Now I can’t even see your recent activity anymore. Trying to cover some tracks? You have everyone else fooled perhaps, but I see your lackluster replies and emoticons you use to display your emotion rather than well thought out words. You’ll escape with this for now “sir” carry on, just don’t think you’re under the radar completely.

Yes. I said that. So what? What’s your point. And what kind of “Tuna” do you smell?

And yes. That’s correct. I had to add all that in. So what? Are you implying I should not have a right to express anything race related or be chastised for it and dance around like water on a hot frying pan simply because I’m white?

If you know anything about History you know that a thriving patriarchy existed in America for most of it’s history and prior to the immigration act of 1965 the United States was also predominantly white.

There was no MGTOW during those days because there was no reason to be MGTOW. That’s because there was no real feminism. Women were women. Men were men. Women knew their rightful place in society. Specifically in the home and community. Women were housewives. Men were responsible for working and taking care of their family. If a mans wife had to work it was “embarrassing” to other men because it meant he was lacking as a man in the finance department. I could go on and on but generally speaking, from what I can see, this balance worked until things started changing.

Social shaming works too. Positively or negatively. That’s why less than 1/10 women in the mid 20th century were single moms or had children born out of wedlock. My point is things were better. That’s simply a fact. Just research the historical facts/statistics for proof.

Divorce was actually considered a dirty word. Adultery was considered more of a reputation destroyer. Marriage was a common law contract and no-fault divorce did not exist. For the most part none of the immoral and downright criminal way men are treated in today’s society by women even existed.

Everyone knows our Mothers are no better than the women we f~~~, female nature takes no prisoners. I haven’t ever heard of a single MGTOW ever PRAISING there mother, and believe me I am keen on EVERY MGTOW man of note

Maybe that’s your experience based on your Mom and MGTOW. Sorry about that pal. Thank God it’s not mine. I was extremely lucky to be raised by perfect Mom and Dad with a perfect childhood in an upper middle class community. Thank God.

I am not a tuna fish. I just don’t see women as the sole problem. I see the entire direction of Western society since the mid 20th century as the problem, leading up to what we have today…

LOL. Prior to the…uhh…”immigration act” of the 1400’s, the land was mostly native american.

“no MGTOW during those days because there was no reason to be MGTOW”

Dear F~~~ING Lord.

are you a chia pet in man drag

[JackinovParticipant 5229]

There was no MGTOW during those days because there was no reason to be MGTOW. That’s because there was no real feminism. Women were women. Men were men. Women knew their rightful place in society. Specifically in the home and community. Women were housewives. Men were responsible for working and taking care of their family. If a mans wife had to work it was “embarrassing” to other men because it meant he was lacking as a man in the finance department. I could go on and on but generally speaking, from what I can see, this balance worked until things started changing.

You F~~~ING missed the whole point of MGTOW! Congrats! I say this because you act as if these were “good times” for men. Even back in those days, it was still a bulls~~~ deal. All the inner shaming and “embarrassment” and expectations.

I mean if you wanna still go back to the exact plantation you just described, go right the f~~~ ahead. Find a NAWALT like your white upper-middle class mom and jump in. Jesus.

are you a chia pet in man drag

[VerityPhantomSpectator 263]

@jackinov This “man” knows nothing of MGTOW, he’s just hopping on a train thinking it’s going to lead him straight to white man beating women town. MGTOW do not hate women, we despise them. We are repulsed by them, but we do not hate them. I feel like WE LOVE THEM. And that is why we feel this way, I feel that we LOVE women more than anyone. This is why we feel this…

[AttonParticipant]

Anyways: I’m wondering if anyone here has ever been “recognized” for any kind of sacrifice or honorable or considerate or noble actions with a women of any sort.

The men who served in world war 1 and 2 where for a little while. Until feminists decided that they where oppressive pigs.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Michael wrote:

If you know anything about History you know that a thriving patriarchy existed in America for most of it’s history and prior to the immigration act of 1965 the United States was also predominantly white.

@michael. That’s a bunch of crap. Any society that says “women and children first” is not a “patriarchy”. The “patriarchy’ you are speaking about is a f~~~ing MYTH.

Pretend you live in a society made of 10 women and 10 men. The men invent airplanes, operas and the internet. Is that society PATRIARCHAL?? Not remotely. It’s a society where men GET S~~~ DONE. They make the initiative. They make the decisions. They dig the ditches. They take enormous risks and lay their lives down for female comfort and convenience.

• A woman can’t travel from LA to New York in 4.5 hour unless a thousand test pilots died first. And they weren’t female.
• It what kind of “patriarchy” do women get to paint their nails, while men crawl into the mines and sewers.
• The water into and out of your toilet is not possible “because patriarchy”.

Laying their lives down for female comfort and convenience – is not a “patriarchy”. It’s so infuriating to hear people go on about a “patriarchy” that doesn’t even f~~~ing exist. You have been brainwashed by feminist bulls~~~ propaganda and it’s a goddamn lie.

Would it surprise you to know that when women couldn’t vote… MEN COULDN’T EITHER????

It’s true.

Michael wrote:

There was no MGTOW during those days because there was no reason to be MGTOW.

Stop it. MGTOW – even the exact term “MEN GOING THEIR OWN WAY” – can be found in print (below) and The concept of MGTOW is CENTURIES old. These reference span from 1853-1996.

Im not railing on you. Im just railing. I don’t understand how you get this idea to say s~~~ like that. Wars and bulls~~~ for men are as old as the hills and you can bet your ass there were men who went their own way, and Galileo was another one. Schopenhauer in 1865. Christ, you could even argue Jesus Christ was a MGTOW.

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If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

I was born in a perfect family and when I grew up I started dating this girl one grade below me in school (she was in the last grade, I was a freshman at college). We’re both virgins. We both lost virginity together and dated for about 6 month. I was really idealistic at that point, so I thought it could work out to be happily ever after. One day it all ended. But even before then – I was catching a drift that people were treating us with a lot of scepticism – like this is not going to last. I was fully invested in that relationship, so I couldn’t get why it wouldn’t last. I thought my will alone would be sufficient to make it all work. But later I understood that all the people I was dealing with including her – were programmed to assume that this ideal love does not stand a chance – that it was just a stepping stone. So it was doomed from the beginning. One day it was announced that it was over, but she didn’t even have the nerve to say it to my face directly – it was conveyed to me via her father. I was devastated. I tried for two years to get her back, but all in vain.
I ended up leaving the country and moving to US partly because of her and the devastation I had experienced. It broke my heart to pieces. Later I was told she was sleeping left and right in college. I f~~~ed her once after 7 years or so – when I came back to Lithuania for my 25th Bday – just to put a full stop to this madness. I didn’t feel any old sparks, so I finally wiped her out of my memory completely.
So yeah – think of your experience this way – maybe you dodged a major bullet right there.
You should have pumped and dumped her, but it’s risky – you could have caught the feelings.
Moral of the story – even if you’re doing all the right things – don’t expect people to appreciate it. They’ll think you’re some kind of idealistic creep, because TV, Cosmo and all their friends and relatives have other ideas about how things supposed to be

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[MichaelSpectator 544]

It’s not a myth. It’s a sociological fact. The majority of 20th century (1900-1965) America was a patriarchy society. You can see the statistics on everything from divorce, adultery, crime, out of wedlock births, rape, child support, domestic violence, welfare, to the price of a house, a cup of coffee to miltary wives cucking their husbands.

Now compare those statistics to today.

In general and overwhelmingly things were better back then and you simply didn’t have the situation we have today with feminism. It existed. Sure. But was fringe. So who cares. There was no reason to be MGTOW in the mid/earlier 20th century because men had a direct stake for themselves, their families and society when feminism was irrelevant and women kept their respective roles as mothers and housewives.

That society was a patriarcy. Today we live in a quasi-matriarchy. The government is the a “husband”. Women are subsidized by the government which steals and oppresses men directly for women’s benefit. This was not the case in 1900-1965. Yes you can always point to specific cases but I’m talking as a whole.

Back then (and for most of human history thousands of years) there was a core family unit consisting of a man, his wife and children. The man was the head of the household. The king of the castle. The man received all the benefits as such. This situation generally worked to society’s benefit.

Today men receive nothing except grief, surprise STD’s, divorce, child support payments, domestic violence classes and jail etc etc as discussed all over this website and manosphere about the situation TODAY.

I already know men are historically responsible for societies evolution and women benefit from it. But it’s still a symbiotic relationship. That’s the way God or nature intended it. Women’s role albeit lesser, it’s still a valid and needed role for society to function as a whole and most men (including myself) want it. But it doesn’t exist or the risk is so astronomical and everything is against me so I can’t. I honestly just wanted to get married young excel at my career and have a white picket fence on the beach. I never wanted to MGTOW per say. I was compelled to because of the current social environment/society we live in.

You seem to be implying men lose in a Titanic “women and children first” society and it’s bulls~~~. Correct? Yes. It’s bulls~~~ today. Because men are enslaved and get nothing out of it. Of course. Agree 1000%. But it wasn’t bulls~~~ back then. Your great-grandfather was the master of his house. His wife was the second in command and ultimately did what she was told. The Men generally benefited and so did women and children. Way more so than today. It’s not a myth.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@michael

OK if you want to call that a “patriarchy” I won’t argue it. And I wasn’t referring to the Titanic…. I was referring to WW1 were women shamed men with a white feather if they weren’t willing to sign up to die for them….. and in WW2 if a man wanted no part of it, he was considered a “coward”.

Even in this phantom “patriarchy” it was always “women and children first”. But to say that prior to 1965 there was no reason to “GYOW”, well, don’t take MY word for it. Read some Nietzsche or Schopenhauer. Tesla. The Wright Brothers.

Christ, even 1964’s “My Fair Lady” was about a man who insisted on going his own way and remaining a confirmed bachelor who would never let a woman in his life. It’s NOT BECAUSE OF THE SOCIAL AND LEGAL CLIMATE OF THE TIME.

You could certainly call any society a “patriarchy” compared to the gynocentric toilet we all live and breathe in today.

Michael wrote:

I never wanted to MGTOW per say. I was compelled to because of the current social environment/society we live in.

Really? I made up my mind at 17 that would never sit in traffic to the city — 90 minutes in each direction — 5 days a week forever, and face the back of a cubicle for 30 years just to pay off a mortgage and then die.

I always went my own way because grazing with the heard was of no interest to me. The current social and legal climate is just a confirmation which makes me twice as glad.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[JackinovParticipant 5229]

Keymaster wrote:

Really? I made up my mind at 17 that would never sit in traffic to the city — 90 minutes in each direction — 5 days a week forever, and face the back of a cubicle for 30 years just to pay off a mortgage and then die.

Yeah that always sounded like a s~~~ deal to me too.

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[Anonymous 3]

Michael wrote:

It’s not a myth. It’s a sociological fact. The majority of 20th century (1900-1965) America was a patriarchy society. You can see the statistics on everything from divorce, adultery, crime, out of wedlock births, rape, child support, domestic violence, welfare, to the price of a house, a cup of coffee to miltary wives cucking their husbands.

Now compare those statistics to today.

Michael,

Statistics will always fail to tell you the large story.

The fact that you impose social rules does not make things “better”, it just makes things mandatory.

Even a patriarchy is not by itself the “solution”, as it is only a general classification. The Aztecs civilization was a patriarchy, and I would not live in such society.

There is something about the “old days” that we keep forgetting: they did not have it easy.
For the vast majority of people in human history, eating properly was a luxury. That is why the French hated their queen for saying “let them eat cake”. The spoiled brat could not even conceive that not having bread was starving!

So, many of our problems would be be considered “petty little issues” for someone that was dealing with survival issues daily.

What would be the character traits of people born in such days? How would they handle their wives?

My friend, we are a product of our time. If we where to be placed in the “old days” we would not fare well. Our mentality and our education are simply not compatible.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Anonymous wrote:

There is something about the “old days” that we keep forgetting: they did not have it easy…… So, many of our problems would be be considered “petty little issues” for someone that was dealing with survival issues daily.

Under this “patriarchy” they keep talking about, women (as a whole) were privileged and protected from the risks, dangers of the real world …. which must have been ASTRONOMICAL the farther you go back in time.

“I’ll go out and battle the world… how about you make dinner” is really not a bad arrangement. And as it turns out, it was actually the PREFERRED arrangement. When households were run as a patriarchy and it was “wait until your father gets home”, the kids turned out OK and marriages lasted.

Anonymous wrote:

our problems would be be considered “petty little issues”

We have had the longest period of “peace time” in a long time – across a few generations.

That’s when all the feminists get “bored” and create problems out of nothing. The shirt a scientist wears. A TWEET. Man spreading – sitting with your legs too far apart on a streetcar. Women in video games. That is the empty headed s~~~ that swirls around in a feminists head when she has nothing better to do, and her contribution to the world is absolutely ZERO.

But if our cities were being bombed right now, you wouldn’t hear a f~~~ing peep from them – except “go to war and die for us you asshole coward”.

Some “patriarchy”.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 3]

Keymaster wrote:

But if our cities were being bombed right now, you wouldn’t hear a f~~~ing peep from them – except “go to war and die for us you asshole coward”.

Some “patriarchy”.

This subject of patriarchy and old times reminded me of my grandparent story.

I will start by saying I live in a place that only landed in the 20th century in the last 50 years. My father was the first to have a car in the family, and by grandfather used a horse carriage. The mentality was from the 19th century until the 60´s, and I am talking about country like conservative mentality.

So, my great-grandfather was a wealthy land owner, a very stern and manly character. To this day my father places him high in the sky, much to the disadvantage of his own father. I can quote my father saying “my grandfather knew he would not amount to much and would waste the family estate“.

I never understood this, since my grandfather was a highly respected man, very serious and hardworking. He did made mistakes in life, like warranting other people’s loans, and they went abroad leaving him with the debts. He was a man out of his time, believing in honor and a man’s word, when these things went out of fashion.

My grandfather married the best looking girl of the time, that happened to be a remote cousin. And they when to live with my great-grandfather.

Trouble begins when my great-grandmother and my grandmother started fighting. The exact words of these fights would be recounted to me more than 50 years later. It was the same kind of female emotional manipulations that we see today, the exact same thing.

My grandmother started making my grandfather’s life miserable, and my great-grandmother started poisoning his mind. Until one night when she wanted to sleep in the floor, instead of their bed. “You are my wife!” he said, and she obediently returned to his bed, “my mother is right about you!“. The next day both women had another fight, but for the first time in front of my grandfather. He realized what was going on, so he said to his wife “shut up!“. She asked him if she was not right, and he said “she is my mother, I cannot tell her to be quiet, but you are my wife and I can tell you to be quiet“. She said he was right, and went for their room to cry.

My grandfather worked his whole life for his father. He had no studies. He had no possibility of leaving his father house. He did not have money of his own. They had their kids educated under this corrosive atmosphere, where my great-grandparents did not respect this couple.

So, they suffered miserably for years until my great-grandparents died. I would like to believe that life was better after that, but my grandmother was very complicated and proud. She used to pick up fights with everyone. My grandfather was mostly silent.

Eventually my grandfather had sclerosis, and lost the sense of reality. He was convinced that he was not at home, “Lets go home!“, he would say frequently. One day my grandmother indulged him and went where we wanted to go. He led her to his stable, where he had all the tools of his trade.

I understood from this that my grandfather’s only place of peace was his work. That was his home.

There you go. All the good things the patriarchy and the “old days” did for men.

[RockmaninoffParticipant 1641]

Oh Keymaster you really are quite a character. Absolutely love it.

". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée

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