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Anonymous42The road is narrow and full of hypocrites, but to be honest I believe I’m on the right path, and it’s one you travel alone with you and your maker, not any organized group as a whole.
It’s a trail through life you can only blaze alone, being enjoined to another by any religion or ideology is where I draw the line, I’m unique to myself and no other, I don’t do Siamese thinking and trapping myself in their box. Your box. Any box.
It’s between a man and his creator and nobody else! Follow no man…
Leave the f~~~ alone following a woman!
If I take the countries with the lowest homicide rates — Sweden, Japan, Norway, the Netherlands — they are all ‘atheistic’ — or have low levels of participation in religion and low levels of belief. Most of the countries with very high homicide rates — Mexico, Brazil, El Salvador, etc are quite religious. This doesn’t mean religion CAUSES violence. But if the opposite is true, as you posit, one would expect the more ‘irreligious’ countries to have MORE violent crime AND their crime rates to increase decade-over-decade as they become gradually more secular, NOT what we are observing.
Feel free to compare violent crime rates. I’ll compare corpse counts.
Of course it does. Atheism is the most violent of all religions.
Not only have millions of men been murdered in the name of god, your loving and kind christian God also has a few serious anger management issues:
Approximately 2000 people from Sodom and Gomorrah burnt to death by fire and a rain of burning sulfur for being evil and wanting to rape two angels. Ezekiel 16:49-50
Lot’s wife turned to pillar of salt for looking back Genesis 19:26
Er, firstborn of Judah, was murdered for being wicked in the sight of the Lord. Genesis 38:7
Onan (Er’s brother) murdered for disobeying God’s orders to impregnate his dead brother’s wife. Genesis 38:9-10
All the firstborn of Egypt after the Pharaoh refused to let the Israelites go (God had hardened Pharaoh’s heart)Exodus 12:29
The complete Egyptian army Drowned when the seawater returned afterMoses passed through the Red Sea. Exodus 14:28
Nadab and Abihu, Burnt to death because they offered strange fire before the Lord. Leviticus 10:1-3
Undisclosed number of Israelites burned to death for complaining against God. Numbers 11:1-3
Undisclosed number of Israelites die from plague for complaining about the food and wanting to go back to Egypt. Numbers 11:4-35
Ten scouts die from plague because they gave bad reports about the promised land having giants and being too difficult to conquer. Numbers 14:36-38.
Korah, Dathan, Abiram and some of their families buried alive for claiming to be as holy as Moses and Aaron. Numbers 16:27-32
250 Israelites.Followers of Korah, above, burnt to death by fire.Numbers 16:35
14,700 Israelites die from plague for complaining about the previous two murders concerning Korah. Numbers 16:49
Undisclosed number of Israelites bitten to death by serpents for complaining about the quality of bread.(full disclosure: casting a bronze snake and looking at it would prevent death).Numbers 21:4-9
24,000 Israelites die from plague for sexual immorality with Moabite women and worshiping Baal. Numbers 25:9
Undisclosed number of Ammoriteskilled by hailstones for waging war against Israel. Joshua 10:10-11
70 or 50,070 Israelites (dependent on how the Bible is translated) killed for looking into the Ark of the Covenant. 1 Samuel 6:19
Nabal Killed for not giving gifts to David who had refrained from murdering Nabal’s servants or stealing from him. 1 Samuel 25:38
Uzzah Killed for touching the Ark while trying to prevent it from tipping over. 2 Samuel 6:6-7
David and Bathsheba’s baby was killed in order to punish David for affair and arranging death of her husband Uriah. 2 Samuel 12:14-18
70,000 Israelites by pestilence because David took a census (?) of his lands and people. 2 Samuel 24:15
An unnamed prophet eaten by lions for believing a self proclaimed prophet who said God told him to feed him. 1 Kings 13:1-24
Jeroboam’s son killed to punish Jeroboam and to save him from a massacre God had planned for the rest of his family.1 Kings14:10-18
An unnamed man killed by a lionfor his refusal to strike a prophet when ordered to do so by the prophet in question.1 Kings 20:35-36
King Ahaziah Died in bed while recovering from an earlier fall for seeking medical advice from a rival god Baal. 1 Kings 22:51
102 soldiers burnt to death for being impolite to Elijah and serving King Ahziah. 2 Kings 1:9-12
42 youths mauled to death by 2 bears for mocking the prophet Elisha.2 Kings 2:23-24
Some foreigners killed by lionsfor not worshiping God.2 Kings 17:25-26
185,000 soldiers killed by the angel of the Lord while they slept for being at war with Israel. 2 Kings 19:35
Jeroboam murdered for rebelling against Abijah, the king of Israel based on dependence from David.2 Chronicles 13:20
Jehoram stricken by a disease that caused his bowels to fall out for doing evil in the sight of the Lord.2 Chronicles 21:14-19
And you think I should look to this guy for moral guidance?
I think many so call atheist are not really atheist.
As long as I have a belief that cannot be question, I am a religious person.
It does not have to be the belief in god, but belief in something like feminism, communism, socialism, capitalism.
I see how the SJW react when their belief is criticized, it seems like they are outraged that their god is criticized.
Then there are women worshiping, children worshiping. Think of the women, think of the children. What! You won’t sacrifice for the women nor children, you heretic. You cannot question, it is moral, the right thing to do so.
Even many so called atheist who disapprove at religous people unquestioning faith will follow some belief unquestioning.
There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.
Trying to divide MGTOW OP ? How mature of you.
Not believing in a god promotes violence in the exact same way that not believing “patriarchy theory” promotes rape.
It doesn’t.
Seriously, gentlemen, it’s the exact same nonsensical argument. Only the bulls~~~ is different.
Anonymous1Atheism is the most violent of all religions.
Except Atheism is not a religion. I think you are confusing Marxism with Atheism. Hitler, Stalin and Mao were all Marxists. Marxism is a religion complete with its own dogma. Read a dictionary and understand what the word religion means. (hint) its Latin.
Of course it does. Atheism is the most violent of all religions.
This is bulls~~~ bait as Atheism in no way is a religion as it does not have a fixed dogma, doctrine or belief system and sure as hell does not have a holy book.
It is the only universal religion/philosophy that justifies it completely and without any reservation and has godless evolution (as opposed to God guided evolution) as its scientific justification.
The bible is not in support of Evolution so even if the Christian God does exist the bible is still wrong and God set us up by telling us bulls~~~ in the bible (God intentionally lied to us by giving us a false bible).
It promotes sociopathic and psychopathic behavior (Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc.)
Hitler was not an Atheist and even if he was alot taught about him is complete bulls~~~. With the rest of them there is no specific Atheist plot in any of them to make them act the way they did. They did not preform bad things due to being Atheists at all but rather their own personal agenda.
because if there is no God , no life after death, no punishment for deeds not punished in this life then the fundamental rule of life is survival of the fittest.
This does nothing prove your point as even if you were correct the reality would not change. If God does not exist and humans must act under survival of the fittest the facts still remain the same.
The twentieth century was called the first Atheistic century in human history which led to World War I, Communism, World War II and the literal torture and subjugation of Eastern Europe and the seventy year history of the Communist Gulags
Most people were not Atheists in the 20th century. Modern Atheism did not have have a name till the 80’s and expanded in the 90’s with the internet (on a general level).
Whereas Christianity, Islam and Buddhism/Hinduism ALL assert the truth claim that good and evil behavior in this life will be punished in the next life if not in this life.
Atheism, by simple logic, states that if this is the only life there is then one is justified in using any means necessary to seduce or destroy anyone to get what one wants in this life.
No because it hurts people and brings unneeded suffering to the innocents (thereby being declared by some as evil).
The punishment for the crime is getting rejected by society and people. A woman who divorce rapes a man, destroys his life and f~~~s up the children will go and die in a nursing home somewhere with her cats with the kids/ex dropping contact.
That is the punishment she gets for the crime.
As I have said before, the ruthlessness of women divorcing good and decent men (I usually use SpiritRR’s example but there are hundreds of thousands of others) is JUSTIFIED scientifically (once atheism is the premise of evolution) such that Feminism’s understanding and application of NFG (no fuc!s given) is justified.
Scientifically a woman will divorce rape a man because of hypergamy (she is looking to monkeybranch off his ass).
However as i said the punishment is the woman dies in a nursing home with her cats and the morality behind it which makes it bad as it brings unneeded suffering to people. Thereby it is bad for people and society to embrace divorce.
Just an east coast asshole who likes to curse, If you get offended by words like fuck, cunt, shit, piss, bitch or any racial slurs then you just scroll down.
This is bulls~~~ bait as Atheism in no way is a religion as it does not have a fixed dogma, doctrine or belief system and sure as hell does not have a holy book.
I can never decide if ‘God is not Great’ by Christopher Hitchens, or ‘The Blind Watchmaker’ by Richard Dawkins is my atheist bible. Maybe they’re two different denominations? Gotta have a sense of humor about it all. But you are correct.
It is the only universal religion/philosophy that justifies it completely and without any reservation and has godless evolution (as opposed to God guided evolution) as its scientific justification.
The bible is not in support of Evolution so even if the Christian God does exist the bible is still wrong and God set us up by telling us bulls~~~ in the bible (God intentionally lied to us by giving us a false bible).
MOST atheists tend to believe in naturalism, materialism, and skepticism, but there are multiple formulations of atheist philosophies and moralities. And ‘materialism’ in this context doesn’t mean striving for consumer goods, it merely means a believe that the material universe is all that exists. ‘God-guided evolution’ is a new idea; developed by apologists to paper-over inconsistencies. Biblical cosmology, for instance, may have been reasonable to an ancient Hebrew, but to someone with modest scientific background, the idea of a solid ‘firmament’ supporting a ‘sky’ made up of a body of water, for instance, is ridiculous. But such ideas are reasonable given ancient understanding of the color of the sky and periodic rain — it had to come from somewhere.
It promotes sociopathic and psychopathic behavior (Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc.)
Hitler was not an Atheist and even if he was alot taught about him is complete bulls~~~. With the rest of them there is no specific Atheist plot in any of them to make them act the way they did. They did not preform bad things due to being Atheists at all but rather their own personal agenda.
Hitler WAS irreligious, or, at minimum, anti-Christian. This is the consensus view of historians and there is a great deal of evidence for it in his private communications. Publicly, the Nazis advocated ‘Positive Christianity’. The vast majority of Germans were Christians; yet they operated concentration camps and gas chambers. The cause of the atrocities was not their religion, or Hitler’s lack thereof. I would attribute much of it to Nationalism, Aryanism, and Expansionism. Harsh war reparations and a difficult economy allowed the Nazis to rise to power. And there were Germans who DIDN’T agree with Nazism, some of whom, were Christians, such as those in some of the Confessing Churches. So it is hard to make a case that ‘All x did/do y’.
This does nothing prove your point as even if you were correct the reality would not change. If God does not exist and humans must act under survival of the fittest the facts still remain the same.
Certainly in non-believing European welfare States, they don’t believe in ‘survival of the fittest’. Atheism does not necessarily have to be coupled with other -isms, such as Communism OR capitalism. For instance, many atheists engage in charitable giving, just as religious individuals do. Believers often selectively cite the Soviet Union and its gulags as an ‘atheist’ State (though much of the population was Orthodox Christian). But they forget that many European social democracies are comprised largely of irreligious populations.
‘Apologetics’ is not scholarship; you typically start with a thesis, and then cherry-pick facts that support it. And atheists can be guilty of the same. Sure, the Gulags were awful, but what was SERFDOM like under the Czar that preceded it? That is never discussed. The USSR has had authoritarian rule for centuries, just as it does now under Putin, with a brief period of democracy in the early 20th century.
Anonymous14I could add much to this but FrankOne, Carnage, and Anonymousysam pretty much echo my thoughts on it all, well done, so I will keep it brief.
Firstly, I can say for certain that Atheism is NOT a religion as it does not follow any belief system. It is as much a religion as not believing in Vampires, Unicorns, Ghosts, and Leprechauns is.
Long story short, Religion is man made bulls~~~ that some other men fall for and fight about like children fighting over which one exists, the Vampire, Unicorn, Ghost, or Leprechaun. Atheists just choose to not participate in such nonsense and instead live in the real world void of varying ghost stories.
To be very blunt those with Religion are like scared children who never grew up where as the Atheist’s did.
The thought of death being the final end is a reality that understandably sends many down the road of fantasy. It is the Ego that asks how can there be any of this without me to experience it that then sends men to cling to anything that would support the idea of it’s own eternity.
Religion is therefore nothing more than a series of fabricated fantasies that are used as a defense mechanism to appeal to many a man’s narcissistic ego.
To be very blunt those with Religion are like scared children who never grew up where as the Atheist’s did.
Thanks for clearing that up. Atheist’s are smart adults and all religious people are children. Got it.
The religion topic never seems to go well. /sigh/
Alright then……that went so well, let’s argue politics now.
Should guns be banned in the U.S.?
Also, who’s right, the Republicans or the Democrats?
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
If religious men are like children, then we would have to scratch Socrates, Plato, Thomas Aquinas and many others from the list of great philosophers.
Not this s~~~ again.
All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.
Also, who’s right, the Republicans or the Democrats?
Me.
Stupid question in thread title and the op answers himself in first sentence of first post.
The purpose of posting a provocative question then answering yourself in the first question followed by a Looney rant.
Hmmmm, why would someone do that if not just to make trouble or be a dumb troll.
I am open to suggestions.
Atheism is a religion only in the sense that not collecting stamps is a hobby.
False comparison. Atheism IS a religion.
Don't care
Hmmmm, why would someone do that if not just to make trouble or be a dumb troll.
I am open to suggestions.
Yeah, why would they do a thing like that? Hmmmm.
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False comparison. Atheism IS a religion.
Wrong. Saying that won’t make it true.
Is not owning a car a way of being a car owner?
Are MGTOW “feminists for men”?
Atheism is not a religion because, by definition, atheism is the lack of a religion.
If you really think atheism is a religion, then what the f~~~ do you call a lack of religion? Or do you believe it’s impossible to lack religion?
Oh, and spoiler: don’t try to say “agnosticism”. That’s a professed lack of knowledge, which is not the same thing.
Science and atheism are most certainly religions. Perhaps not in name, but they are promulgated heavily. Having a belief, in no beliefs is a dogma and belief system unto itself.
Scientists come up with ridiculous theories, that are just as whimsical as religious ones.
Take the big bang for example. Which scientist can prove such a theory? Who was there countless billions/trillins of years ago, when this so called big bang took place? No one. But people believe science, and scientists on a scale that easily rivals religious fervor.
On the religious side. The story of Adam and Eve. As told by whom? Who was there to witness these events? Or when God said, “Let there be light!” Again, who saw any of this, to then lay claim to it as fact. Let alone force these beliefs into the minds of people from a very young age?
Science and atheism go hand in hand. Atheists cannot disprove the existence of a God, or creator being. Religious people cannot prove God’s existence.
So the argument continues. As it always will.
The oldest religions, which are based in practice and not faith. Mainly the Eastern religions. Doaism, Hindiusm and Buddhism. Offer a greater array of answers, as the practices involved stretch a person’s consciousness beyond the normal states. And through those practices we can have some insights into the higher realms, the higher states of being.
But those states, whether it is an out of body experience, or expanded state of consciousness, are not based on belief. They are based in 1st hand experience, and practice.
Religious people are on the right track, but have fallen trap to following exoteric material, put together and assembled for the sole purpose of controlling the masses and keeping them spiritually blind and undeveloped. Feeding on someone else’s truths, instead of discovering their own.
Atheists fall into the same trap, but from the other end. They follow a strict belief, of non-believing in anything outside of a very narrow band width. The one created by the 5 senses. Causing a similar effect, where no spiritual growth or development can take place.
Both extremes are a trap. Both are used in a dialectic model, to attack and enslave the masses. To keep the masses either blindly following “holy” books written by men, a long time ago, who only had 1 thing in mind. To control and profit.
There is no holy book that will teach you any esoteric or hidden truths which lead to spiritual development. And atheism is just as much of a dead end, as religion is.
Now we are all free to believe and practice what we wish. But there is little truth to be found in either side of that spectrum. Both religion and atheism lead a person into spiritual atrophy. Religion keeps a person believing in someone else’s truths. Never verified or tested. Never experienced 1st hand.
Atheists do not believe in anything outside of what the 5 senses inform them. And in turn negate all the opportunities for spiritual development. Believing this place, to be all that there is. That too is a fallacy.
I will close this argument with one very simple observation. Only life, can create or give rise to life. I am not religious. But I see that only something living, can then in turn give or create life. I have no clue if there is a God, or who or what that being may be. An intelligence that may have created the infinite Universe, is not something the human mind can grasp. But I do see this one pattern, that only life can give rise to life. And that we are living, and that there are so many forms of life here on this planet, and most likely in other countless star systems and planets. I may not know or understand God. But something cannot come from nothing. We as living beings, are proof of a few things categorically.
1) If we are here, then without a doubt there are countless planets out there with life. If it can happen here, it can and does happen out there in the infinite Universe.
2) The whole big bang thing. Random molecules, particles, etc. No one really knows, but what is evident from all of nature is that only a living thing, can create further life. Something living, something alive gave rise to all of this that we experience here, and the infinite span of the rest of this Universe, which we know very little about.
Given the evidence. I would have to conclude that there was some living force, something that gave rise to all this life in the Universe. But I do not believe in any religious book, based on faith. I try to follow beliefs that stem from 1st hand experience and practice. Not from truths laid out by men from 2 thousand years ago. Bent on control, profit and enslavement. Who congregate and pass around the collection basket. Spouting old stories and unverified truths.
You go to a shaman or any monk of the Eastern religions. They can tell you 1st hand, about their experiences in the spiritual realms. They have traveled, have seen and experienced things on the other side. And are valuable as they can provide 1st hand account of what is there. Which can then lead a person to their own investigations.
You go to a preacher, and a preacher or priest have never traveled to the realms beyond this one. Have never crossed beyond the veil. What can a priest tell you outside of the holy book? Nothing. They have no experience 1st hand of the things they pretend to speak about.
Atheists are a bit smarter, in that they don’t fall for the religious trappings. But are just as incapable of informing you or telling you about anything spiritual or an understanding which reaches beyond this place and into the higher realms.
Both are, in my view. A dead end.
Evading the religious trap is commendable. For the people of faith, they feel or are drawn to something spiritual. But are misled thinking faith over practice or 1st hand experience, can take you there. It can’t.
But I restate. Both extremes, are part of a dialectic model, and those in power, are very happy to see people divided into either one of those extremes. I can tell you that the elite, the people in power, they are not atheists. They practice some of the darkest forms of spirituality. which is how they maintain power. Hitler, through the help of the Jesuits, learned a great deal about occultism and the power there. It is a terrible power that he tapped into. My point. The people running this world, are very far from either religion or atheism. They apply occult and esoteric knowledge to enslave mankind. And they are very happy to keep people in spiritual ignorance, through the vehicles of religion and atheism. Which pits the two against one another. As evidenced by this thread and thousands others across other sites. This works perfectly for those in power. As it creates conflict. While keeping people ignorant of real truths.
If you believe that any book, is holy. Which was authored by men, who’s vested interest is in controlling you and enslaving you, while turning a profit. Then this is a delusion, on a mass scale.
If you believe in nothing outside of what your 5 senses tell you. You are equally ignorant and deluded. There are an infinite number of planes and realms, beyond the one we currently occupy. Which can be accessed through practices such as yoga, meditation, etc. Can be verified 1st hand.
Neither religion or atheism will get you any closer to those truths. And that is entirely by design.
Division, separation. Conflict. Distraction. Manipulation. Addiction, whether it is food, drugs, sex, video games. Working one’s self to death, just to scrape together some coin. This entire system is a prison matrix. Every aspect of this system has a purpose. As long as people are fighting, and not harmonizing or searching for truth. The ones in power will continue to stay in power.
Now there are admirable qualities found on both sides. Religion is ripe with nuggets of truth. Mixed in with a tonne of fairy tales. Atheism and science are also very strong in a practical sense. Science is great in that it investigates and reaches further. If we take the best of both sides, a lot can be used. As a basis for one’s own journey into truth. But that would mean being somewhere in the middle, and not squarely planted on either side.
Some things to think about.
“He who takes an eel by the tail, or a woman at her word, soon finds he holds nothing.”
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