Does Atheistic secularism really promote violence?

[goodkid43Spectator 550]

Of course it does. Atheism is the most violent of all religions.

It is the only universal religion/philosophy that justifies it completely and without any reservation and has godless evolution (as opposed to God guided evolution) as its scientific justification.

It promotes sociopathic and psychopathic behavior (Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc.) because if there is no God , no life after death, no punishment for deeds not punished in this life then the fundamental rule of life is survival of the fittest. When survival of the fittest is applied to human behavior and relationships, this belief system forces one logically to act on the basis of survival of the most ruthless, the most deceptively cunning, the most violent.

The twentieth century was called the first Atheistic century in human history which led to World War I, Communism, World War II and the literal torture and subjugation of Eastern Europe and the seventy year history of the Communist Gulags. All justified “scientifically”. The previous sentence was commonly used in Communist literature (my 300+ books on twentieth century Communism proves this to be true )to justify Stalin’s repression on his own people and those of other nations.

Whereas Christianity, Islam and Buddhism/Hinduism ALL assert the truth claim that good and evil behavior in this life will be punished in the next life if not in this life.

Atheism, by simple logic, states that if this is the only life there is then one is justified in using any means necessary to seduce or destroy anyone to get what one wants in this life.

As I have said before, the ruthlessness of women divorcing good and decent men (I usually use SpiritRR’s example but there are hundreds of thousands of others) is JUSTIFIED scientifically (once atheism is the premise of evolution) such that Feminism’s understanding and application of NFG (no fuc!s given) is justified.

God bless, Michael

[JVBParticipant]

This is gonna get good. What have you done brother? Lol. Wait for it……………

Peace is > piece.

[Anonymous 12]

I tried to have this discussion with an atheist and all they kept coming back with is “Which country has ever been atheist?” to which I responded the USSR for one banned religion but of course this just upset his mental conditioning.

I don’t think it is a coincidence that Judaism also has a bit of a shady perception of good and evil too.

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

Nothing promotes more violence than religion.

Don’t believe me?

DEUS VAULT.
ALLAH ACKBAR.

Before that the Greeks, the egipth gods.

Or maybe:
Atheism or religion doesn’t promote violence. WE DO. God doesn’t kill people, people kills people.

We are violent is our nature.

Atheism is a rather new concept, and no widely accepted, and there was violence before atheism.

Actually if I’m not wrong the last 50 have been one on the most peaceful in recorded human history.

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[Anonymous 42]

goodkid43 wrote:

Of course it does. Atheism is the most violent of all religions.

It is the only universal religion/philosophy that justifies it completely and without any reservation and has godless evolution (as opposed to God guided evolution) as its scientific justification.

It promotes sociopathic and psychopathic behavior (Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc.) because if there is no God , no life after death, no punishment for deeds not punished in this life then the fundamental rule of life is survival of the fittest. When survival of the fittest is applied to human behavior and relationships, this belief system forces one logically to act on the basis of survival of the most ruthless, the most deceptively cunning, the most violent.

The twentieth century was called the first Atheistic century in human history which led to World War I, Communism, World War II and the literal torture and subjugation of Eastern Europe and the seventy year history of the Communist Gulags. All justified “scientifically”. The previous sentence was commonly used in Communist literature (my 300+ books on twentieth century Communism proves this to be true )to justify Stalin’s repression on his own people and those of other nations.

Whereas Christianity, Islam and Buddhism/Hinduism ALL assert the truth claim that good and evil behavior in this life will be punished in the next life if not in this life.

Atheism, by simple logic, states that if this is the only life there is then one is justified in using any means necessary to seduce or destroy anyone to get what one wants in this life.

As I have said before, the ruthlessness of women divorcing good and decent men (I usually use SpiritRR’s example but there are hundreds of thousands of others) is JUSTIFIED scientifically (once atheism is the premise of evolution) such that Feminism’s understanding and application of NFG (no fuc!s given) is justified.

God bless, Michael

Awesome!

[Can’t Stump TrumpParticipant]

You may be on to something, but ANY worldview can promote violence. I’d be just as scared living under an Islamic caliphate as I would be under Stalin or Mao. And of course Elizabeth I (bloody queen Bess) brutally tortured and executed Catholics even though the Church of England was actually an offshoot of Catholicism.

Humans will always be violent no matter what they believe. It’s in our nature to compete for resources, and resources are finite, so there will always be war.

Women are better at multitasking? Fucking up several things at once is not multitasking.

[AwakenedParticipant 35202]

Lets not go down this road again.

Is there ANY real NEED to start an Atheist/Believer, or Believer/Atheist Bashing thread AGAIN ??

Why CREATE DISHARMONY where there doesn’t NEED to BE ANY ??

On this site, WHY CAN”T WE JUST AGREE TO DISAGREE AND MOVE ON TO OTHER TOPICS ??

This thread could go on for pages, and only CREATE PROBLEMS.

I said MY PEACE, and I WILL NOT POST AGAIN ON THIS THREAD.

I AM WALKING AWAY FROM THIS ONE.

GOOD NIGHT.

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[MonkParticipant 17004]

goodkid43 wrote:

Atheism is the most violent of all religions.

I would agree that it should be considered a religion, as should Communism.

I would not however say that it is the most violent, although I have met many fanatical and extremely unpleasant atheists.

It promotes sociopathic and psychopathic behavior (Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc.) …

Hitler was not an atheist.

Whereas Christianity, Islam and Buddhism/Hinduism ALL assert the truth claim that good and evil behavior in this life will be punished in the next life if not in this life.

Yes – all have some form of guaranteed action-reaction.

That may cause people to exercise restraint, or it may become an excuse for bad behaviour (jihad, for example).

Atheism, by simple logic, states that if this is the only life there is then one is justified in using any means necessary to seduce or destroy anyone to get what one wants in this life.

I would certainly not accuse all atheists of this. You should also consider Humanism. That is atheistic, but takes a high moral tone.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Atheism is a religion only in the sense that not collecting stamps is a hobby.

goodkid43 wrote:

It promotes sociopathic and psychopathic behavior

Wrong. It merely doesn’t have a magical sky daddy and flaming horned pitchfork wielding bugaboo ( a.k.a. good cop / bad cop) to nominally claim to deter such behavior.

That is not the same thing as promotion.

At the same time, we have this little gem:

“Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.”
–1st Samuel, 15:3

And there’s a lot more where that came from, including all that nasty business with the crusades. And that’s just the judeo-christians. Don’t get me started on the muslims. Even buddhists have blood on their hands.

The reality is that religion is almost never an actual cause, or even a deterrent, to bad behavior. It’s almost always merely an excuse used to justify whatever behavior people want to do anyways. Atheists, not having that excuse, merely have to look elsewhere to justify their atrocities. So instead of “deus vult” we get crap about “the needs of the many” or “equality” etc.

But it all comes down to people. Not hypocritical “faith” or the absence thereof.

[Anonymous 42]

Let’s do-dis!

[Billy&The CloneasaurusParticipant]

@goodkid43. I couldn’t disagree more.

@awakened. Good call. I’ll pop some popcorn and watch this play out…

The answer, is no.

[PhilandryParticipant 538]

I am with Awakened on this.

Nothing good comes of these threads. If, in fact, I were attempting to destroy the the open and honest exchange between people involved with each other this is how I would begin.

Being a man is incredible good luck. Do not waste it on the unlucky.

[surfdude12Participant 4103]

Statism is the religion of athiests – worship of the State

People are going to worship either (a) God or (b) the State

Worshiping (a) causes several thousand deaths (e.g. Inquisition)

Worshiping (b) causes over 100 million deaths (e.g. Stalin Russian, Mao China, etc)

Its simple math.

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

Im an atheist and I don’t believe in the state, in fact I don’t even believe in believing.

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[surfdude12Participant 4103]

Carnage wrote:

Im an atheist and I don’t believe in the state, in fact I don’t even believe in believing.

I should clarify

All Statists are athiests (if a Statist claims to believe in God, they really dont or they wouldn’t worship the State)

Not all athiests are Statists (I know lot of athiests who are extremely logical and live by ethical moral principles without believing in a Deity)

[FrankOneParticipant 1420]

First, Atheism is not a religion, but rather, the ABSENCE of religion.

If Atheism promotes violence, how does one explain how Japan, with 30%+ atheists, is less violent than a country like America, with 10% or fewer atheists, based upon murder and other violent crime rates? Wasn’t Japan a LOT more violent when it was MORE religious under the Emperor and invaded Manchuria in 1931?

Secularism typically means, separation of Church (religious institutions) and State. One can be religious, but still believe in secularism.

Secularism leads to LESS violence inside a State, because everyone within it can practice whatever religion they choose, and there is no establishment of a single State religion, and no need to fight over which one dominates, as Europeans protestants and Catholics fought each other in past centuries. It also leads to GREATER tolerance of other faiths outside that State.

If I take the countries with the lowest homicide rates — Sweden, Japan, Norway, the Netherlands — they are all ‘atheistic’ — or have low levels of participation in religion and low levels of belief. Most of the countries with very high homicide rates — Mexico, Brazil, El Salvador, etc are quite religious. This doesn’t mean religion CAUSES violence. But if the opposite is true, as you posit, one would expect the more ‘irreligious’ countries to have MORE violent crime AND their crime rates to increase decade-over-decade as they become gradually more secular, NOT what we are observing.

There have most certainly been violent Christians; when the New World was conquered, it was essentially ethnic cleansing of two continents. Convert [to Christianity] or die.

The penalty for apostasy in both the Old Testament and Islam, is death.

While Hitler was irreligious (based on private communications with his henchmen), official Nazi policy was ‘Positive Christianity’, a blending of nationalism, Christianity, and anti-semitism. Bear in mind, the German people, OVERWHELMINGLY Christian, for the most part, went along with Hitler. It’s understandable why they would have few qualms with the final solution; killing and persecuting Jews in Christian Europe, had a long history LONG before Hitler’s rise to power. So much for ‘non-violence’.

My point is, it’s not binary. Christians AND atheists can be ruthless dictators or killers. Morality based on reason is possible — otherwise, secular nations would be cesspools of violence, and we can observe, they are not.

Similarly, murder rates overall since the mid 1990’s have been DECLINING even as America becomes more secular.

Atheism is NOT a morality, it is simply an absence of belief in Gods.

[FrankOneParticipant 1420]

surfdude12 wrote:

Statism is the religion of athiests – worship of the State
People are going to worship either (a) God or (b) the State
Worshiping (a) causes several thousand deaths (e.g. Inquisition)
Worshiping (b) causes over 100 million deaths (e.g. Stalin Russian, Mao China, etc)
Its simple math.

False dichotomy. It isn’t a binary choice. For instance, I am an irreligious libertarian. So, I guess that means, I worship what, freedom? The individual over the State? Whatever it is, I’m not a Statist. Since we’re not talking about religion, it might be more apt to say a Statist values the collective over the individual, than that they ‘worship’ the State, would it not?

Did worshipping God ’cause’ the ethnic cleansing of North and South America by the Christian conquistadors? Didn’t that cost tens of millions of lives? Or do only Christian European lives ‘count’ in this calculus?

Or is it possible that people can commit immoral acts, whether they are religious or not? Or that some religions themselves promote violence? Study the history of the schism of the German protestants in WWII; they didn’t all fall in line mindlessly behind the Fuhrer; the hero leaders of the confessing Churches were sent to the concentration camps.

Monk writes: Hitler was not an atheist.

Yes, he was. The consensus of historians is that he was irreligious, or at minimum, anti-Christian. Because Germany was a Christian nation, these beliefs were not incorporated into Nazism. Numerous quotes back this up. Nazism instead took up ‘Positive Christianity’, a blending of nationalism, Christianity, and anti-semitism, which was more palatable to the German Sheeple.

[Cú ChulainnParticipant 3910]

People complain about the Crusaders and the Conquistadors too much these days. You trying to tell me the Knights Templar and Cortez or Pizzaro weren’t cool and hard savage bastards? Manginas were garroted or cut in half with broadswords. Women were seen and not heard, and brought out to procreate and clean s~~~ up. Feminism? Er….ok.

I know which era I think is the worst – I’m living in it.

[Anonymous 7]

Carnage wrote:

Nothing promotes more violence than religion.

^^^ This.
I am an atheist and I posses the means to do much harm. By your logic any atheist with a car is a ticking time bomb. Pound sand.

The most corrupt, deviant f~~~ers I know all worship on Sunday and then will run your ass over in the parking lot.

[Anonymous 7]

sidecar wrote:

Wrong. It merely doesn’t have a magical sky daddy and flaming horned pitchfork wielding bugaboo ( a.k.a. good cop / bad cop) to nominally claim to deter such behavior.

Wise words.

Call me a c~~~ for being a c~~~. Do not call me c~~~ b/c I do not believe in your sky daddy.

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