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I do. I am a 22 year old Asian male, born and raised in the west. I have been red-pilled for many years now and at this point, I have no choice but to identify not only as MGTOW, but also as a misogynist. What are your thoughts on identifying yourself as a misogynist? Am I wrong for doing so?
You may “identify” yourself as a misogynist… but are you REALLY? I’m certainly not.
“Misogyny” is the “hatred of women”.
There is a big difference between “hating women” and hating what women actually DO. Not the same thing at all. It’s silly, unrealistic and impossible to “hate women” as an entire sex….. just like it would be silly, unrealistic and impossible to LOVE them all. You follow?
The opposite of love is not “hate”. It’s INDIFFERENCE.
I have never made any effort or actions to deliberately hurt any female.
In fact, I could argue that I treat women MUCH too well.If a woman asks me for the time of day, I tell her what time it is, and then I go about my day. I don’t set her hair on fire. That would be called “hating women”. And unless you go around deliberately hurting women, then you are not a misogynist either. The worst treatment a woman ever got from me was being totally ignored. If she is “hurt” by that, it’s not my problem. I never treated her badly. She can call it “misogyny” all she wants… but women will call fresh air misogyny. Women call video games misogyny. Women call refusing to pay for them “misogyny”. Also not your problem.
Men are simply NOT REQUIRED to treat women well.
But not treating women well, is not even remotely close to treating them badly.I also know I am not a misogynist, because if a woman treats me badly, even THEN I don’t treat her badly. I treat them better than they deserve. There are times I have wanted to hit a woman – even when she asked for it – and I didn’t do it. That’s called treating women much too well. And that’s what makes me “the better man”. A woman once threw a remote control at me with deliberate intent to hit me in the face. I took her purse and thew it FAAAAAR into the street. “Better go get it!”. When she ran out screaming after it, I bolted the door behind her and didn’t even mail her her shoes. That’s not called “misogyny”. I treated her MUCH too well.
Hope this puts “misogyny” into perspective for you.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.That’s an interesting stance on the topic. I do not go out of my way to hurt women. Then what the hell am I?
I feel anger and rage towards women and their actions.
Then what the hell am I?
You’re just SENSIBLE and JUST.
I feel anger and rage towards women and their actions.
Anger is a legitimate emotion in the face of injustice.
The passive acceptance of evil (or wrong-doing) is not a virtue.You are simply NOT REQUIRED to be OK with it. You’re not required to “like” women or what they do. If a woman wants to be liked… it’s not up to you anyway. It’s up to HER to be likable. She will either make that effort, or she won’t. If she doesn’t make any effort (and she displays s~~~ty, second-class behavior) only an extreme idiot would not have a problem with it. It’s OK to not like what women do. The entire idea that there is something wrong with YOU is totally inaccurate. There is this entire belief system going around that if a woman behaves in an unacceptable way – and you have objection to it – that this makes you a “misogynist”. But it’s got nothing to do with YOU. It’s a deflection away from the actual problem.
You’re not a misogynist. You’re just…. SANE.
Congratulations.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.<cite>@mgtow.com said:</cite>
There is a big difference between “hating women” and hating what women actually DO. Not the same thing at all. .
Agreed. I don’t think being MGTOW means one cannot have a cordial relationship with female supervisors, co-workers, family members, friends, etc. Misogynists I think would either go out of their own way to have no associations with women whatsoever or would be abusive to every female he came across.
@AsianMGTOW-I think another way of looking at this is to compare your feelings towards women with how people with a phobia like arachnophobia react when they see a spider. For those with this common phobia, they hate/fear all spiders and see them all as being evil/ugly/creepy with no regard to whether a particular species of spider is known to bite humans or carry venom. A harmless spider is no different than a toxic spider. If you have a similar revulsion towards all females on the sole basis they’re female, than yes I would say that would make you a misogynist. If as Keymaster said you despise women on their character and behavior, you’re not a misogynist, as you would have the same feeling towards men or children who behaved like women.
No matter how hard I try I tend to fall into the category of a misanthrope.
To answer your question, no, I don’t hate women.
The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.<cite>@flamesabers said:</cite>
Agreed. I don’t think being MGTOW means one cannot have a cordial relationship with female supervisors, co-workers, family members, friends, etc. Misogynists I think would either go out of their own way to have no associations with women whatsoever or would be abusive to every female he came across.Very true. In one respect I see MGTOW as the continued education of men in the area of risks/rewards when it comes to male/female interaction and relationships. There is no MGTOW law that states you must avoid women at all costs. It all comes down to the risk you are taking and if it is worth it or not, which certainly applies to other areas of life as well.
You can certainly get a long-term girlfriend, move in together, spend your money on her, etc., but you’ll only have yourself to blame if you didn’t take the time to compare the risks vs the rewards of putting yourself in that situation if it ends up badly for you.
Forewarned is forearmed.
The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.Forewarned is forearmed.
That’s key.
It’s very important to understand it, because very few people do. Including the original poster(!), AsianMGTOW, who actually needed it explained to him and broken down in simple terms. When a man shows objection – any objection – to actual female behavior and openly criticizes it (even when fully justified) he is called a “misogynist”. Eventually , when this happens often enough, he will believe it himself and start thinking there is something wrong with HIM.
… when there isn’t.
This is what the accusation of “misogyny” is intended to do.
It’s a manipulation — and nothing more.There is even a psychological term for it – known as “gas lighting”. (Movie with Ingrid Bergman) …. whereby a manipulator uses this tactic to try and deflect attention away from REALITY and back on the individual to the point where he would even question his own sanity and perception. Notice too how it WORKED! Even he asked himself “what the hell am I, then”? He has started to question his own sanity and perception.
But the reality is there is nothing wrong with him.
It’s the actual female behavior that’s the problem.Not enough emphasis can be placed on this and it’s what men need to be educated on. Men are waking up and beginning to realize this manipulation tactic simply doesn’t work anymore. Forewarned is forearmed is exactly right. When a man KNOWS he’s being manipulated and he gets accused of “misogyny” whenever he expresses objection to actual female behavior…. he will be able to say “NO I’m NOT a misogynist. It’s not MY problem. YOUR actions and behavior are the problem. And I will speak about it openly with no apology.”
The accusation of misogyny has had its day. And those days are now OVER.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.I am not a misogynist. Women can be delightful. I am anti-marriage. As far as I can see the only benefit derived from being married is if a couple chooses to have children the father can be in the home on a daily basis and part of his children’s lives. There is no economic benefit for most men and should the woman decide after five years that she is “not haaaapppyyyyy” the man has to give her half his assets, move to some crappy studio apartment, see his kids twice a month (if he is lucky) and financially support the woman and her new live in boyfriend.
Hang out with women. Sleep with them if you must. Buy them presents if that makes you happy. Hell, take them on vacation if you want. DO NOT make babies with them, do not sign a marriage contract and do not, under any circumstances, sacrifice your sovereignty or autonomy in exchange for their company.
AND NEVER, EVER internalize their belief that you are somehow responsible for their happiness, unhappiness, sense of safety, well being or any other emotional state. We are responsible for our own emotional state. Happiness is self-generated and something one person can share with another. But you cannot make a woman happy and her happiness is never your responsibility. That erroneous belief is a black hole that will suck you up and spit you out.
RevMatt said :
Hang out with women. Sleep with them if you must. Buy them presents if that makes you happy. Hell, take them on vacation if you want. DO NOT make babies with them, do not sign a marriage contract and do not, under any circumstances, sacrifice your sovereignty or autonomy in exchange for their company.
This is a great point…. but it should also be pointed out, it’s not even slightly related to women or “misogyny”. This is because of the legal system. The laws are the reason never to sign a marriage contract, move in with her, or impregnate a female just becasuse she says “I really want a baby”. It’s not actually a criticism of “women” (per se). But even still, they will attempt to convince you this viewpoint somehow qualifies as “misogynist”.
And why? Simply because it doesn’t give women what they want.
There is nothing anti-female about it. It’s about never letting the state set one foot in your living room – or personal life. By refusing to engage in this bulls~~~, you are not actually “starving women”… you are starving the system that is pitted against Men which is deliberately designed to transfer your wealth and surplus labor to women.
Denying them that is not “misogyny”. It’s looking out for your own best interests in a world which would rather you didn’t.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Choosing not to own a dog or a cat does not automatically mean I am a dog hater. I am not a “homophobe” just because I choose not to enter into romantic relationships with other men. Choosing not to eat ice cream and cake does not mean I hate it. I just choose not to eat it on a daily basis because it is not good for me.
Key Master said…”It’s about never letting the state set one foot in your living room – or personal life. By refusing to engage in this bulls~~~,…you are starving the system that is pitted against Men which is deliberately designed to transfer your wealth and surplus labor to women.”
Holy God Damn! That is the Greatest Sociological Statement Ever!” Holy F~~~!
That being Said…My Sole Focus is to Live Life for Me, the Way I Want It…5 Bedroom Bachelor Pad, Home Gym, Home Music Studio, Fly-Ass Sports Cars and Outrageous Home Jacuzzi!
No need to Hate Women. Just Don’t Mate with Them.
The only men I know who really actually *hate* females are the ones who are unable to find a female to date them. I’ve mentioned my TFL friend here before… he’s a very angry man and I’d say he actually hates females but not because he can see through their lies and trickery or understands their mentality but only because they won’t give him what he wants from them.
As a rational male, I have some degree of understanding of the female perspective and can accept it without anger… frustration at times, yes, but no more than you’d experience dealing with a 6 year old. My friend, however, is such a mangina that I believe he actually has a female mind in that he can’t understand their behavior and is simply angry because he can’t figure out how to get one to f~~~ him (even the ones who WANT TO, which is almost comical to watch).
To be honest, I think this is true of all White Knights… they’re angry, resentful and full of hatred toward females and then take it out on the men who have females in their lives… but it’s really a form of self-hatred for their own inabilities and failures. How f~~~ed up is that?!
As for me, I probably love females a bit too much. I not only have a strong libido but also a strong sense of aesthetics… I love beauty and physically beautiful females and believe that females hold an important half of the balance that makes life worth living. I’m not stupid enough to believe they realize that or know how to use it properly and I’m not fooled by cosmetic tricks, but I believe females can have natural inner and outer beauty and I continue to hope for a chance to see it in one of them at some point.
I’d say my view of females is like that of boats and airplanes… they have the potential to be both functionally practical and physically appealing and I enjoy having the occasional use of one… but the costs and risks of ownership are far too great and so I would never buy one. The “Three F” rule in effect… if it floats, flies or f~~~s, rent it.
Choosing not to own a dog or a cat does not automatically mean I am a dog hater.
Absolutely. But if cats could host talk shows and pass legislation, they might see your refusal to adopt, feed, clothe and shelter one of their own as a denial of everything they feel they represent to the world. “But we’re so cute… we give your life meaning! Why wouldn’t you want to take care of one of us? You’re so selfish! Come on, it’s your responsibility! You’ve made it so we can’t survive any other way… why do you hate us cats so much, you terrible cruel human?!!”
And then you let one into your home and it becomes the cat’s home. We all know how *that* works!
if cats could host talk shows and pass legislation, they might see your refusal to adopt, feed, clothe and shelter one of their own as a denial of everything they feel they represent to the world. “But we’re so cute… we give your life meaning! Why wouldn’t you want to take care of one of us? You’re so selfish! Come on, it’s your responsibility?! You’ve made it so we can’t survive other way… why do you hate us cats so much, you terrible cruel human?!!”
And then let one into your home and it becomes the cat’s home. We all know how *that* works!
A++ analogy.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.I don’t know if I’d entirely agree,I could date womin if I chose,some do seem to like me but I dislike them-want nothing to do with them except for the usual day to day bs of living in the modern world and having to pretend to get along with them.
I’ve never really identified myself as a misogynist because I don’t hate Women,
I still very much enjoy Female company, as well as banging a bitch every once in awhile. However, how I go about doing it, since taking the red pill has changed significantly. I don’t take s~~~ from females like i use to, i don’t give in to their lies, manipulation, or drama.
To be someone who full on hates Women is quite a difficult task, unless of course you live in the woods by yourself and have no human interaction whatsoever in your daily life. then you could achieve the status of being a Misogynist. Everyday we interact with women, whether it’s going to 7-11, restaurant, bar, or wherever.
There will be Females around. Now are there MGTOW’s who hate women?, I’m sure there are, and whatever their reasons are- I’m sure it has a good explanation to it.
Women have patterns, similarities that they all do, some are really nice and sweet when they want to know you, then later turn into a goddamn nightmare. Others it might take a few years, and the REAL person manifests. Now, that comment can be interpreted by most Feminist today as being a Misogynist, when in actuality it isn’t. The Feminazi’s have thrown that word over so many times it’s being over used.
If you make a comment, any comment rather, about Women nowadays it’ll always being interpreted as “Sexist” or “Misogynist”. That’s why Feminist go crazy when the subject of MGTOW comes up, because we’re labeled as Misogynist however most of them can’t even agree on that, so they argue amongst themselves and can’t agree on one damn thing. MGTOW is this Enigma to them, they’ll never fully understand our mentality or method.
If Females can’t figure you out, they take the easy road out and call you “Stupid boys”, “Gay”, “Living in their mommy’s basement” “Bunch of Bitter men”. What p~~~es them off even more, is that most of us won’t even argue or reply their stupid asses. We go our own way, and it drives them up the f~~~ing wall!.
"If You have the Tooth of a Whale, You must have the Whale's Jaw to hold it". (i.e. One Must have the right qualifications for leadership) -Hawaiian Proverb
Feminists should love the concept of MGTOW because it is the logical extension of their slogan “A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.” In a sense we are saying, “You’re right. And a bicycle doesn’t need a fish to crank its chain.” (Especially if it has a 1600 V-Twin engine with lots of torque but I digress.)
I don’t want grandchildren. Not because I hate children but because I know that a man can only produce the warm fuzzies that a woman calls love for about five years. If my sons marry and father kids those children — my grandchildren — will be living in a home with their mother and some shack up boyfriend while my sons will be forced to finance the whole thing. They can be the most generous, faithful husbands ever, giving her everything she asks for but it won’t matter. After five years she won’t feel what she calls love towards the father of her children. “I’m not haaaaappyyyy” and in her mind it will be all their fault. I don’t want that for my grandchildren and would rather the family line end with their generation than to have another generation raised in a broken home. This doesn’t make a misogynist. I just love my sons too much to see their lives ruined by marriage.
<cite>@revmatt said:</cite>
Feminists should love the concept of MGTOW because it is the logical extension of their slogan “A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.” In a sense we are saying, “You’re right. And a bicycle doesn’t need a fish to crank its chain.”Very true. I think MGTOW really exposes how disingenuous feminism is. If feminists walked the talk, I suspect they would be very eager to overturn all legal and social implications that contradict the idea that women and men are equals. It seems deeply ironic how one who wants men and women to be held to the same standards can be called a misogynist.
ironic how one who wants men and women to be held to the same standards can be called a misogynist.
It took a while but it finally clicked when I realized its’ not WE who hate that. It’s THEY who hate that.
“I want a man who believes in equality for women.”
“Great. your half of the check is $25.60 plus tip. Half the gas is $4.23. Movie and popcorn is $19.”
•••
.. and POOF! You’re a “misogynist”.
Now they are forced to realize they f~~~ed themselves into a corner. I couldn’t be more thrilled about equality for women. That whole “you gotta die on a sinking ship to save women you don’t even know” bulls~~~ never sat well with me anyway. Couldn’t be happier about it. In fact, I could even argue I’m a feminist, myself. I think I may have just proven it. I need a drink. Cheers!
Poor things 🙁
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.- AuthorPosts
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