Do Women really like to be treated like crap?

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

MGTOW Knight wrote:

Precisely. Women don’t want men who treat them like princesses.

Close, but not exactly correct. Women only want what they don’t have. As soon as they get what they want, they stop wanting it and start wanting something else.

Women DO want men to treat them like princesses, but once a man starts treating a woman like a princess, she stops wanting him. She also stops wanting to be treated like a princess and instead starts expecting it and taking it for granted.

This is why there is no point in giving a f~~~ what women specifically want. They’ll only want something else the moment they get it. And why there is no point in trying to give them what they want. They won’t value it the moment they get it.

So it’s easier and more effective to simply keep them wanting. Give them no f~~~s. Give them nothing.

TL;DR: The correct answer to the question “Do women really like to be treated like crap?” is “Who cares?”

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Mr.Kraft wrote:

U….MAd….Brah?

How 2001 of you.

Whats’ next , you gonna “holla back. werd”.?

Mr.Kraft wrote:

Half of these jokers call themselves MGTOW, when in reality they are just pathetic losers who got hurt by women and now they are just too f~~~ing scarred to adjust and actually live their lives and not just hide under a rock.

That’s an interesting statement, but it’s moronic and you haven’t thought it through.

Being “hurt by women” –>> is not exclusive to MGTOW.

You mentioned you’re an avid Leykis listener, and if you’re a listener, he has said on the air – multiple times including in one of the audios here – EVERY man has experienced that at one time. He said it himself.

Is Leykis a “MGHOW”?
Is every other man out there?
Then don’t make that a defining characteristic.

The ONE thing that separates “MGTOW” from ALL other male demographics (including PUAs and MRAS) is maintaining their own sovereignty above ALL other things. For every MGTOW, women are a secondary consideration at best.

• The PUA attempts to convince you that after studying what women want ( as opposed to what they SAY they want ) that “game” isn’t about ( and solely about ) giving women what they want.

• The MGHOW doesn’t give a s~~~.

Women are a secondary consideration at best. They are not even mentioned on the mgtow about page, and it’s the rest of the world – including women themselves – who behave like they and their “wants” are the center of the goddam universe.

But you show up here behaving like “what women want” – including being mistreated and getting their fix for negative asshole drama – should be a point of focus and concern . . . and if men aren’t willing or interested in further fueling this female psychosis, he’s too scarred and living under a rock?

FAIL.

BIG TIME.

Its one thing to understand it and talk about it, but it gets pathetic when you pretend MGTOW are “just too f~~~ing scarred (scared?)” to participate – which is such a pile of steaming bulls~~~, because it doesn’t require “courage” to get involved , into a relationship or cohabitate or marry some f~~~ing basket case bitch who prefers to be mistreated. It requires STUPIDITY.

This knowledge is not called “hiding under a rock” because I have seen more of the world than you ever will in 3 lifetimes, and yet, I somehow STILL managed to avoid not being “hurt by women” to the degree that Tom Leykis has – with his 3 goddam divorces and multi-million dollar payouts.

So you can take your “joker” posturing and go treat some women like crap if you need to squirt in a female that badly, but don’t try this s~~~ here. It’s the WRONG audience and you’ll never get away with it.

Have a pleasant day.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[HammerheadParticipant 362]

TaxGuy wrote:

But in my 50’s what I see are women that had a Beta, divorced him, took another spin on the carousel and now want another Beta. Treating them like s~~~ might work for a night, which I realize is what you’re after, but what they really want is a new wallet. Security. To be taken care of. Happily ever after. You know, what they HAD.

Yep, I second that assessment (I’m almost 60). That’s what they want NOW…until the hive mind convinces that they want something else, then they’ll all charge off in THAT direction, leaving chaos and devastation in their wake. Now, I just make plans for something that I want to do, and invite one of them. If she declines, I don’t take it personally, I move on to another one to invite. If all else fails (or if I don’t feel like company), I go on my own and enjoy the event by myself. Older (40+) women tend to have lots of friends, family, other commitments, etc. No big deal.

It amuses me when I do something and when I mention it later, they say “I would have enjoyed that!” Then I remind her that I did invite her…then she realizes that it would have been more enjoyable than whatever nonsense she “had” to do that day instead. Even a little hamster brain starts putting those numbers together, and I get fewer declines in the future.

[Anonymous 42]

Do Women really like to be treated like crap?

I can put this to bed and neatly tuck in for an eternal rest.

I have not one breath or ounce of concern for what women like or want, I’m more concerned what I need to adapt, overcome, and survive WHAT WOMEN DID!

My lifeboat, those societal mutineers can burn in the ship they set on fire!

Row row row my lifeboat, gently down the stream, merrily merrily merrily, my life is now dream!

[HammerheadParticipant 362]

Or, maybe I’m a senile “pathetic loser” who “got hurt by women” and now I’m “just too f~~~ing scarred (sic) to adjust and actually live” my life and “not just hide under a rock.”? Hmm, let me think…

Insulting other men on here isn’t just joking around (that’s a woman’s tactic – – insult and retreat “can’t you take a joke??? Tee-hee!”) and it isn’t endearing, particularly from a guy who’s barely out of wearing short pants. Maybe a little respect for others’ opinions and their life experiences would be a better approach. It’s hard to take someone seriously when they’re excessively disrespectful and combative.

Yeah, Mr.Kraft, I won’t be following you any time soon.

[TheStormWithinParticipant 778]

It’s not so much the abuse they are drawn to as it is the excitement, unpredictability, drama, and intensity that comes along with it. Women need this kind of s~~~ in their lives to have something to talk about with their girlfriends. What the hell else are they going to talk about? Thermonuclear physics?

With “nice”, they always know what they’re going to get, which doesn’t make for much of a thrilling rollercoaster ride. Think about it. When is the last time a woman has called up her mother or girlfriend after a date and said “OH MY GOD!!…..he was SOOOOOOOOO NICE!!!” It’s always “eh, he was nice.”

I don’t go out of my way to be an asshole to any of my FWB’s, but they know without a doubt I’m not taking any s~~~ from them or budging one single inch toward a relationship, and that I don’t really care if I ever see them again without necessarily saying so, which may keep them from classifying me as “nice” per se.

Aunt Esther: Fred, I'll have you know this body was blessed by Mother Nature!! Fred: Well, too bad your face was cursed by Father Time!

[Red KnightParticipant 720]

^ Yo, I love that sig. LOL

But yeah, as a former nice guy, I can attest to this. If you’re too easy, too good, too rational, too stable, women don’t want anything to do with you. Because a rational man does not act on emotion, he acts on logic and what is best for the future, which is just too straightforward and boring to them. Except of course, when they’ve already popped kids with the bad boy who is more fun and exciting BECAUSE he stirs up trouble, then they seek the predictable, boring, rational, pragmatic beta male with money to take care of their kids when they can no longer have drama in their life. Then of course, they will inevitably get bored being with the logical beta male and f~~~ around on him with more bad boys whenever the chance arises.

But as of now, I am not a nice guy, because there is no reason to be one. Why should anyone be a nice guy in a world that does not appreciate it? Because it’s “right”? How can it be right or inherently good to put others interest above yours, when they clearly lack the capacity to reciprocate that? And not just with me, but anyone else? Why should you be good to those who are not good? I’ve been a nice guy for most of my life, and all I had to show for it was being used, manipulated, and ridiculed behind my back. I can count two or three times in my entire life that I actually got a genuine “thank you” for the things I’ve done for other people.

Am I still beta? If you must pigeonhole me into a label, sure. But my respect for women and society at large is decreasing every day. At this rate, one of two things are going to happen – I will either become the alpha male asshole who uses women, or I will continue being a beta male who stays the hell away from and wants nothing to do with them. But marriage? Hell no.

Formerly MoneyOverBitches

[TheStormWithinParticipant 778]

Red Knight wrote:

^ Yo, I love that sig. LOL

Thanks. It’s a favorite line of mine from the old sitcom “Sanford and Son”.

As for the whole “nice” issue, I believe society, in general, has become so jaded that niceness is no longer deemed a good quality. In fact, I would say many are skeptical when they experience it and begin to wonder what the person’s agenda is.

I’m not even sure what to classify myself from a label standpoint, and it’s probably not even important. I don’t believe I’m a “bad boy” or a “nice guy”. However, I have no shame whatsoever in who I am, what I believe, what I do, and what I want. I’m not dishonest nor do I have an objective of hurting anyone in mind.

Aunt Esther: Fred, I'll have you know this body was blessed by Mother Nature!! Fred: Well, too bad your face was cursed by Father Time!

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