Do Women really like to be treated like crap?

[Mr.KraftParticipant 236]

This topic has been on my mind lately. Let me explain:

1. I am a Tom Leykis listener. From his older shows, I can hear thousands of stories where a guy is an asshole to a girl, and she cannot get enough from him.

2. I have been tindering for s~~~s and giggles lately. Got matched with a 8/10. My initial message to her was- “hey, you look kinda cute”. She replied instantly. As soon as I steer the conversation into normal stream, she deletes me.

3. Got in touch with a 35 year old POF girl. She starts shaming me that I am looking for a hookup and not a relationship. I retaliate and start shaming her. She turns very playful and continues a conversation. As soon as I start streaming convo into normal direction, stops responding.

4. My damaged ex that I dated 4 years ago (I created a topic about this 2-3 months ago), always was on her best behavior when I was an asshole to her. As soon as I showed some ‘loving’ and ‘affection’ she tried to take over.

Question to older MGTOW’s who’s been around the block. In your experience- is it like this with all women? Can you pretty much assume that as long as you are an asshole to them, they see you as a desirable prize and the moment you start treating them as an equal, they either ghost you or try to take advantage?

[MGTOW KnightParticipant 7477]

Mr.Kraft wrote:

Question to older MGTOW’s who’s been around the block. In your experience- is it like this with all women? Can you pretty much assume that as long as you are an asshole to them, they see you as a desirable prize and the moment you start treating them as an equal, they either ghost you or try to take advantage?

Yes. Women get the gina tingles from manly men. Some how in their subconscious they associate being an asshole with being an alpha male.

Think: Alpha f~~~s and Beta bucks. There is a reason why there is a cliche; nice guys finish last. Women don’t want to f~~~ beta male SIMPs.

Honestly when they ghost you, you just have to ghost them even harder. You shouldn’t even acknowledge their existence unless they contact you first. All women have their damn phone glued to their face, so what excuse they say to avoid you is complete and utter bulls~~~. It is all mental games with girls now. They can’t ever be direct with you.

Women are really good at wasting YOUR time and money with this bulls~~~ charade. Just don’t play into their games, and if they are interested they will reach out to you. Besides, just focus on your finances and career. When you have $ bitches flock.

Fuck bitches... literally and metaphorically

[Truthseeker82Participant 6406]

Leykis 101 all the way here. As M Knight put so aptly – women have an atavistic atttraction to jerks, thugs and he men types. Nice guys get kicked to the curb. The more interest you show – the less of a challenge for her resulting in no Gina tingles.
Show her you don’t give a s~~~ – it will frustrate her and likely get you laid – if thats what you want. The nice guys who show up with flowers get washed up post wall fatties or fugly she beasts. Seen it first hand.

[OneTrueMisfitSpectator 2690]

Why care what women like? What do YOU like? If your answer is women, then you’ve still got a ways to go.

Don't care

[Mr.KraftParticipant 236]

OneTrueMisfit wrote:

Why care what women like? What do YOU like? If your answer is women, then you’ve still got a ways to go.

Don’t care at all. Just want some pussy here and there. Monk mode is not for me.

[Anonymous 54]

I noticed with dealing with my ex, when I finaly get p~~~ed off, she acts better.
Ive learned to pretend Im p~~~ed off when Im not.

How stupid is that! Hahah

[Anonymous 54]

Mr.Kraft wrote:

Onetruemisfit wrote:

Why care what women like? What do YOU like? If your answer is women, then you’ve still got a ways to go.

Don’t care at all. Just want some pussy here and there. Monk mode is not for me.

When it comes to that, it seems being an overly confident jerk works best.

Be careful with your risk takeing!

[TaxGuyParticipant]

Mr.Kraft wrote:

Question to older MGTOW’s who’s been around the block. In your experience- is it like this with all women? Can you pretty much assume that as long as you are an asshole to them, they see you as a desirable prize and the moment you start treating them as an equal, they either ghost you or try to take advantage?

I’m not sure you want to ask the “older guys”. Personally, I fought fires when I was in college, so it gave me a little Alpha right from the start. Being an ex firefighter turned accountant only makes me an Alpha among Beta’s. Ha. But in my 50’s what I see are women that had a Beta, divorced him, took another spin on the carousel and now want another Beta. Treating them like s~~~ might work for a night, which I realize is what you’re after, but what they really want is a new wallet. Security. To be taken care of. Happily ever after. You know, what they HAD.

It’s what I call the Oprah generation. They grew up listening to Queen Oprah tell them that they could do it all. When they couldn’t, they blamed the husband. Then they divorced him and found out how hard it REALLY is to be on your own. So now they want an easier life again. None of them did the math that they were listening to a single woman with no children tell them how to be a wife and a mother. They got sold a bill of goods and took the bait hook, line, and sinker. They also forgot that men age like wine and women age like milk.

The women in my age group generally don’t want to be treated like crap. They want to be treated like a brand new Corvette, when in reality they are a beat up old Honda Civic. And yes, that one is for you Greg Honda!

Order the good wine

[OneTrueMisfitSpectator 2690]

Mr.Kraft wrote:

Don’t care at all. Just want some pussy here and there. Monk mode is not for me.

What you’re going to get is child support or rape claim.

Don't care

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

I never met a girl who didn’t want me to pull her hair when I was doing her.

Do Women really like to be treated like crap?

Answer is – Most do until they don’t. When they decide they don’t you better hope you didn’t give them something to use against you.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[OneTrueMisfitSpectator 2690]

Look seriously, there is no magic formula unless you are some kind of celebrity. Women act differently. What you need to do is lower your standards if all you want is a pump and dump. If you refuse to lower your standards then be prepared for rejection and lots of hard work. The best advice besides avoiding them completely, if you are dead set on getting laid, is to be persistent. If one rejects you, you go to the next. You learn to accept rejection and brush it off. Be straightforward and tell them you want to get laid. Don’t beat around the bush. Invest all of your time in trying to hook up with someone and you will get lucky at some point. Otherwise, I don’t know what to tell you. Deal with it. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different outcome. Man up.

I will share with you a true story that pertains to this though:

One time on POF this fat bitch messaged me and I told her there was no way I am interested in her because she is too fat unless she gave great head. She asked how I knew that she didn’t give great head and I told her to show me. She did. Seriously that was about all the conversation between us.

Don't care

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Mr.Kraft wrote:

Do Women really like to be treated like crap?

Of course not. Because refusing to suck up to them and be their little fawning lapdog is not “treating them like crap”. Just because they call it that does not make it true. It’s like how the only difference between a “bad boy” and an “asshole” is whether or not she wants to f~~~ him. It’s all in her mind, not any objective evaluation.

Women only want what they don’t have, especially if they think they can’t have it and especially especially if they think other women have it instead of them. Refusing to put up with her crap (what she only calls “treating her like crap” even though it isn’t) lets her know she doesn’t have you, and so she wants you. She doesn’t enjoy it. They hate not getting what they want, but it only makes them want it more.

OneTrueMisfit wrote:

What you need to do is lower your standards

Literally facepalmed.

[Mr.KraftParticipant 236]

OneTrueMisfit wrote:

One time on POF this fat bitch messaged me and I told her there was no way I am interested in her because she is too fat unless she gave great head. She asked how I knew that she didn’t give great head and I told her to show me. She did. Seriously that was about all the conversation between us.

Right there you literally answered my question lol.

I don’t agree with your ‘trade down’ logic. I think it works the opposite of what you said. The hotter the girl, the less secure she is. The trick is- growing some b~~~~ and treat her the way all women deserve to be treated.

[OneTrueMisfitSpectator 2690]

Mr.Kraft wrote:

Onetruemisfit wrote:

One time on POF this fat bitch messaged me and I told her there was no way I am interested in her because she is too fat unless she gave great head. She asked how I knew that she didn’t give great head and I told her to show me. She did. Seriously that was about all the conversation between us.

Right there you literally answered my question lol.

I don’t agree with your ‘trade down’ logic. I think it works the opposite of what you said. The hotter the girl, the less secure she is. The trick is- growing some b~~~~ and treat her the way all women deserve to be treated.

Then why the hell you on here asking for advice? Apparently you got it all figured out.

I think you really don’t want to trade down because you’re not truly looking for just a pump and dump, you want a relationship.

‘The trick is growing b~~~~ and treating them how all women deserve to be treated’ You’re just repeating what I said. I said to tell them all straight up you want sex. That’s all they are worth.

‘The hotter the girl the less secure she is’ The hotter the girl the more competition you’re going to have and the higher demands she will have. Hard work and aint worth it for a pump and dump.

Don't care

[MGTOW KnightParticipant 7477]

Mr.Kraft wrote:

I don’t agree with your ‘trade down’ logic. I think it works the opposite of what you said. The hotter the girl, the less secure she is. The trick is- growing some b~~~~ and treat her the way all women deserve to be treated.

Precisely. Women don’t want men who treat them like princesses. They want a man who will actually call them out on their s~~~ tests. Women like men with a spine. Not a coin purse…

Fuck bitches... literally and metaphorically

[Mr.KraftParticipant 236]

OneTrueMisfit wrote:

Then why the hell you on here asking for advice? Apparently you got it all figured out.

I think you really don’t want to trade down because you’re not truly looking for just a pump and dump, you want a relationship.

‘The trick is growing b~~~~ and treating them how all women deserve to be treated’ You’re just repeating what I said. I said to tell them all straight up you want sex. That’s all they are worth.

‘The hotter the girl the less secure she is’ The hotter the girl the more competition you’re going to have and the higher demands she will have. Hard work and aint worth it for a pump and dump.

You know… You sound very angry and fresh. I suggest for you to listen to some Tom Leykis, mull things over and then come back in a week or 2. It is easy to take shots at your fellow men without knowing the history behind it. I, personally like to over analyze decisions, before I make them. Why? Because you only get 1 shot at something. And I like doing things right. And just because I state something, it doesn’t mean I stole it from you. It means I thought about it before, and I am here looking for reassurance or rejection from other experienced men out here.
Take a chill pill man. Whatever a bitch did to you, you need to forget. Otherwise she is still in control over you.

[Pedal, run, rowParticipant]

MGTOW Knight wrote:

Mr.Kraft wrote:

I don’t agree with your ‘trade down’ logic. I think it works the opposite of what you said. The hotter the girl, the less secure she is. The trick is- growing some b~~~~ and treat her the way all women deserve to be treated.

Precisely. Women don’t want men who treat them like princesses. They want a man who will actually call them out on their s~~~ tests. Women like men with a spine. Not a coin purse…

It isn’t a topic I want to ponder too much. I prefer ghost MGTOW, but occasionally I filter the past. I think it alternates. Sort of grass is always greener on the other side type of thing. I think mostly they want the guy who stands up to them, but when they have had enough of that, the go over to the other side, use a beta to recharge with his nurturing nature, and then throw him away like garbage and go back to the Chad. Just an endless cycle.

[Pedal, run, rowParticipant]

Mr.Kraft wrote:

You know… You sound very angry and fresh.

That sounds like tuna talk to me.

If you want to use that shaming language about “angry, bitter, hurt” Take is to Salon.com

[OneTrueMisfitSpectator 2690]

Mr.Kraft wrote:

You know… You sound very angry and fresh. I suggest for you to listen to some Tom Leykis, mull things over and then come back in a week or 2. It is easy to take shots at your fellow men without knowing the history behind it. I, personally like to over analyze decisions, before I make them. Why? Because you only get 1 shot at something. And I like doing things right. And just because I state something, it doesn’t mean I stole it from you. It means I thought about it before, and I am here looking for reassurance or rejection from other experienced men out here.
Take a chill pill man. Whatever a bitch did to you, you need to forget. Otherwise she is still in control over you.

IDK What you’re talking about man. It sounds like to me you need pussy. I don’t need pussy. I am a man going my own way.

This may be blasphemous to say here but I don’t know or care who this Tom Lykeis guy is, he can go get bent for all I care. I’m not wasting my time listening to his bulls~~~. I know how to treat women. You tell them to hit the road. That’s what you do. Tom should take some advice from me.

Don't care

[Mr.KraftParticipant 236]

OneTrueMisfit wrote:

IDK What you’re talking about man. It sounds like to me you need pussy. I don’t need pussy. I am a man going my own way.

Just because you don’t need pussy, doesn’t make you a MGTOW. You are still a newbie and need to learn what MGTOW stands for.

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