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I’m not looking to make this thread to stroke mgtow ego. I also believe that we are a minority and we are spreading at a slow rate if anything, so I do not share the same idealistic perspective that any mgtow pep talk saying that we will take over the world and conquer etc. I believe myself to be more realistic than that. I might sound like a dick that thinks mgtow are superior regardless. Oh well.
However, I currently have at LEAST five friends going through girl troubles (most of them with single moms) all at the same f~~~ing time and it is getting annoying to hear about.
I understand how love feels and all that bulls~~~ because I was young once too and still am, but how many f~~~ing times do you have to be burned to realize that maybe you should distance yourself from the fire? Wouldn’t it be legitimately considered stupid to get closer to the flame if you know already what happens or think “ah I’m sure I won’t get burned by this flame this time”. Maybe even retarded?
I know that love transcends logic when you’re deep into it and I’m thinking that it can make you dumber because you CONSCIOUSLY CHOOSE to enter that eternal hamster wheel of torture.
This is annoying me HEAVY, especially when all I see are friends getting into the same stupid ass situations, complaining, acting all beta and depressed, asking me for advice, disregarding, make up with their GF, then rinse and f~~~ing repeat. GOD these guys are dumb.
Well…. if women didn’t go out of their way to misrepresent themselves the way they do, it would be a non-issue. But consider the whole “NAWALT” argument.
Man has had 5 girlfriends and says:
“Damn, why do you girls do that? Why are the last 5 girlfriends I had all manpulative, greedy , backstabbing gold diggers?”Woman says: “NOT ALL WOMEN ARE LIKE THAT!!!!”
She’s not even f~~~ing acknowledging the issue and is presenting him with a deflection that’s a manipulation in itself. Moreover, by saying “nawalt” , it doesn’t prove SHE is “not like that”…. but the guy will just blindly take her word at face value, and repeat the same mistake over again! He has already learned that 5 out of 5 women are like that (that’s 100%) and this bitch is trying to tell him that a 6th girlfriend will be different?
MGTOW know “AWALT”. The difference is the blue-pill idiot actually LISTENS to her.
A flame is a flame. It looks like a flame all the time. You KNOW it’s a flame. You know what a flame does. And you know what a flame will do next time, so you don’t touch it anymore. But woman will actually sit across from you, work her ass off to try and tell you “not all fire will burn you”. Thats’ why you don’t listen to a goddam thing she says.
And even if NAWALT is true, it’s also true that “not all hand grenades will explode in your face”. So it’s really not about MGTOW being more intelligent or having a higher IQ, it’s just that only an extreme idiot pulls the pin on another hand grenade to find out.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.but how many f~~~ing times do you have to be burned to realize that maybe you should distance yourself from the fire?
It took me more than it should have. My animal urges are more powerful than my common sense, or they were back when I was a teen and in my early twenties. After a few too many “what the hell did I do that for?” moments, I finally caught on and stopped sticking my tender things in fires.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
Well…. if women didn’t go out of their way to misrepresent themselves the way they do, it would be a non-issue. But consider the whole “NAWALT” argument.
Man has had 5 girlfriends and says:
“Damn, why do you girls do that? Why are the last 5 girlfriends I had all manpulative, greedy , backstabbing gold diggers?”Woman says: “NOT ALL WOMEN ARE LIKE THAT!!!!”
She’s not even f~~~ing acknowledging the issue and is presenting him with a deflection that’s a manipulation in itself. Moreover, by saying “nawalt” , it doesn’t prove SHE is “not like that”…. but the guy will just blindly take her word at face value, and repeat the same mistake over again! He has already learned that 5 out of 5 women are like that (that’s 100%) and this bitch is trying to tell him that a 6th girlfriend will be different?
MGTOW know “AWALT”. The difference is the blue-pill idiot actually LISTENS to her.
A flame is a flame. It looks like a flame all the time. You KNOW it’s a flame. You know what a flame does. And you know what a flame will do next time, so you don’t touch it anymore. But woman will actually sit across from you, work her ass off to try and tell you “not all fire will burn you”. Thats’ why you don’t listen to a goddam thing she says.
And even if NAWALT is true, it’s also true that “not all hand grenades will explode in your face”. So it’s really not about MGTOW being more intelligent or having a higher IQ, it’s just that only an extreme idiot pulls the pin on another hand grenade to find out.
but that’s exactly my point…. You’re listening to a flame tell you that not all fire is hot and continue touching it. Regardless of what the flame tells you, you’d have to have some form of intelligence to come to your own conclusion based off of your previous experiences rather than blindly listen to someone else tell you fire isn’t hot.
I feel like I’m speaking from a places of logic, hatred, and irritation right now though due to these blue pillers that I consider friends.
And even if NAWALT is true, it’s also true that “not all hand grenades will explode in your face”. So it’s really not about MGTOW being more intelligent or having a higher IQ, it’s just that only an extreme idiot pulls the pin on another hand grenade to find out.
This is genius, i love it, i never thought of it that way.
I agree 100% to everything that has been said. I do believe MGTOW are better learners than other blue pill males, which i would say gives us an advantage in life for sure.
Anonymous42The bright warm fire of femliciousness is undeniable. Men keep going back because they didn’t give their eyes time to adjust to the darkness, they become lost and disoriented and gravitate to another flame, only to be burned again and again in this cycle of insanity .
The MGTOW have boldly ran into the darkness with the unwavering desire to end the insanity of being burned multiple times. After a while his vision improves like Riddick, he’s now able to see in the darkness and feels safe and secure from any more harm. He now must keep his distance, because all he sees in the flames are the bones of dead men, and endless torture. And like Riddick, he’ll never allow himself to come close to the blinding and searing flames.
I do believe MGTOW are better learners than other blue pill males, which i would say gives us an advantage in life for sure.
I was going to add earlier, it actually PAYS HUGE to know “AWALT”.
FACT: No woman will ever *reward* you to the same degree for subscribing to “nawalt”.
It never pays to listen to her.
But it pays huge to NOT listen to her.Understanding *awalt* has enormous rewards – including keeping you out of f~~~ing PRISON. But is it really an “advantage”? Is it a “plus”? Is it a reward? HARDLY!!! because the best thing that happens when the hand-grenade doesn’t explode in your face is,…. YOU DON’T DIE. Wow. Sign me up. I’m gonna jump at the chance to find out if pulling another pin on a hand-grenade doesn’t kill me.
The biggest mistake men make is regarding not being destroyed by a female as some kind of good thing (or benefit), and women actually use this is as a sales pitch! “Don’t worry. I won’t rob and destroy you in divorce. I’m not like that”. Bet your ASS she is “like that”. For christ’s sake… she thought of it!
When these guys actually wake up and realize that “not being manipulated” isn’t actually an advantage…… then it will put all the bulls~~~ into it’s proper perspective. It isn’t really a flaw with man for not recognizing a flame when he sees one. She is deliberately misrepresenting herself as something else. The mistake is with women thinking men should listen to them in the first place.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.To me it MGTOW ultimately boils down to situational awareness. Once a person get screwed in a relations~~~, why rinse & repeat? If I actually LEARNED I would try and avoid such a situation in the future.
Some men go from LTR to LTR (as I have) and think they can change a person to fit their unicorn dream woman. People change for themselves first, no one else. Also it depends if they can gain something as well from that change. They could also change right back! Took me a long time to understand that..
So back to OP: MGTOWs have learned thru experience and pain how a woman can screw you financially, emotionally, and legally. Call it situational awareness, reactionary, etc. Just don’t call it DUMB! 🙂
It isn’t really a flaw with man for not recognizing a flame when he sees one. She is deliberately misrepresenting herself as something else
And there’s your answer.
Just replace fire with Heroin and the picture gets clear really fast. You feel great, you need more and more, and then you start feeling the side effects, your life turns into a nightmare, but you’re hooked, and then it kills you.
They are heroin dressed up as sugar.
(well, metaphorically speaking, of course)The answer is NO. “I could but I won’t”. Memini murum!
It never pays to listen to her.
But it pays huge to NOT listen to her.100% on the money here.
For the longest time I would just eat up everything a woman would say to me because it was exactly what i wanted to hear. Isn’t it a little strange that the beginning of all relationships everyone is “perfect”? I think this is because we are blind to their manipulation at that stage. Thinking back to all the relationships I’ve had growing up (never married) there were red flags ALL OVER the place, I was just not equipped with the skill set to recognize them yet.
Thats where experience came into play for me. That old saying “You Live And You Learn”, well, I learned from my experiences with a quickness, and i truly feel bad for the fellas out there that need to get burnt a few times before they know to stay away from the heat. Its pretty hard on them financially.
MERCHThis is why the “NAWALT” deflection is so dangerous. They shouldn’t even be permitted to SPEAK it.
I hear it now….. and just want to turn around and say “Oh shut up for f~~~’s sake. How many women have YOU dated, honey?”
THEN she shuts up pretty fast.
5, 50, or 500…. just how many grenades do these bozos have to pull the pin on? I have a blue-pill “friend” who is totally beyond repair. A couple of months ago, he says “well, I’ve decided to do something you’re really not going to agree with”.
“You’re not f~~~ing marrying her”, I said.
“Yeah, we just got engaged”. he says… and kinda smiling like he KNOWS he’s in for a world of s~~~. Eyes just like a guilty puppy. I didn’t even say congratulations or wish him success. I just shook my head. He doesn’t know about “MGTOW” but I will be sure to roll out the red carpet for him when he signs up here. Tick Tock, Tick Tock.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.It never pays to listen to her.
But it pays huge to NOT listen to her.100% on the money here.
For the longest time I would just eat up everything a woman would say to me because it was exactly what i wanted to hear. Isn’t it a little strange that the beginning of all relationships everyone is “perfect”? I think this is because we are blind to their manipulation at that stage. Thinking back to all the relationships I’ve had growing up (never married) there were red flags ALL OVER the place, I was just not equipped with the skill set to recognize them yet.
Thats where experience came into play for me. That old saying “You Live And You Learn”, well, I learned from my experiences with a quickness, and i truly feel bad for the fellas out there that need to get burnt a few times before they know to stay away from the heat. Its pretty hard on them financially.
MERCHyes, that quote is the truth. Props, KeyMaster.
I don’t think MGTOW are intrinsically more intelligent. We just happen to know a few things others haven’t figured out yet. It’s not like Newton was any less intelligent for not being aware of relativity.
Actually, looking back, I think some blue-pill thinking makes sense, given the limited world view.
For example. say your girlfriend puts you through a s~~~ test. Let’s say this test is ostensibly born out of jealousy, and you know that you are trustworthy. Then it is totally reasonable, under the assumption that your girlfriend actually wants to trust you, that there should be something you can say or do to demonstrate that trustworthiness. I don’t think there is anything intrinsically stupid in that.
Unfortunately the s~~~ test is more about establishing control than trust or love. And it’s one thing to say it, or hear it, and another to understand it, for it means that a man’s sense of self-worth cannot be contingent on gaining female approval, and that is no small adjustment in perspective.
For example. say your girlfriend puts you through a s~~~ test. Let’s say this test is ostensibly born out of jealousy, and you know that you are trustworthy. Then it is totally reasonable, under the assumption that your girlfriend actually wants to trust you, that there should be something you can say or do to demonstrate that trustworthiness. I don’t think there is anything intrinsically stupid in that.
Oh I do.
That’s an INTENSELY stupid s~~~ test and no man should ever fall for it. “How do I know I can trust you?” is the oldest trick in the female handbook of manipulations. Here’s why:
TRUST is not up to you to earn. It must be given freely until it is abused. She can choose not to trust you – or she can. But it’s not up to YOU to “earn”. She thinks she can say a few lazy words, and then you’re expected to stand on your hind legs and jump through hoops while she sits there with her arms folded? Absolutely not. She can get a puppy for that.
RESPECT is “earned”.
TRUST is freely GIVEN. It has to be.We know this because people (even she!!!) will tell the most intimate details of their personal lives to perfect strangers on an airplane, their hairdresser, a bartender etc…. and WHY? Because they can’t hurt you. Your spouse can. Your boss can. Your friend can. Your family members can. Except a perfect stranger doesn’t give a s~~~.
It’s FAR easier to trust people you don’t know – than people you DO know. And you are forced to. We trust that other drivers will not crash into us. We trust every person we pass on the street is not going to whip out a gun or a knife and kill you. Do you ask every person on the street to PROVE that they won’t rob, rape, stab, shoot or punch you in the face? No. But they CAN. Anytime they want. That’s how trust works: You have no choice.
“How do I know I can trust you?” is complete bulls~~~.
“How do I know you’re not going to…… ” is complete bulls~~~.
“How do I know you’re not a serial killer?” is complete bulls~~~.Are you really interested in jumping through hoops for some dumb bitch who says a few lazy words and then expects you to PROVE you’re NOT a serial killer?? Because a f~~~ing c~~~ actually asked me that question on a date once. On a date!!! And I laughed in her f~~~ing face. “YOU DON’T”. There’s the perfect answer to that f~~~ing stupid question. How you prove it is by getting up and leaving here there. And now she can go f~~~ herself. Is she now going to ask the next guy “how do I know you’re not a serial killer?”. What a stupid RETARD.
Women think “respect” should be given to them freely…. and “trust” needs to be earned.
It’s totally ass backwards.NEVER jump through hoops for a woman who is so clueless to these basic concepts that she would ask “how do I know I can trust you”?
Answer: “YOU DON’T. You will either choose to trust me , or you won’t. Period. You can leave RIGHT NOW. That’s how you know. Satisfied? But if you think Im interested in proving that I am not a serial killer, you can blow me.”
• Does she ask every waiter: “How do I know you’re not gonna spit in my food?”
• Does she ask the valet driver: “How do I know you’re not a serial killer?”
• Does she ask the bank teller: “How do I know you’re not going to take all my money?”So why would she ask you?
How the f~~~ would you PROVE you’re NOT serial killer?
How do you you PROVE you’re NOT going to hurt someone?It’s such bulls~~~! And women need to be called out on it.
Don’t ever fall for that cheap trick. It’s pathetic.
Passing that s~~~ test is easy. Pull the car over, reach across and push the door open from the inside and tell her to GET OUT.Done.
Then drive off and BOOM!! You just proved you’re not a serial killer.
How awesome is that.If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.For example. say your girlfriend puts you through a s~~~ test. Let’s say this test is ostensibly born out of jealousy, and you know that you are trustworthy. Then it is totally reasonable, under the assumption that your girlfriend actually wants to trust you, that there should be something you can say or do to demonstrate that trustworthiness. I don’t think there is anything intrinsically stupid in that.
Oh I do.
That’s an INTENSELY stupid s~~~ test and no man should ever fall for it. “How do I know I can trust you?” is the oldest trick in the female handbook of manipulations. Here’s why:
TRUST is not up to you to earn. It must be given freely until it is abused. She can choose not to trust you – or she can. But it’s not up to YOU to “earn”. She thinks she can say a few lazy words, and then you’re expected to stand on your hind legs and jump through hoops while she sits there with her arms folded? Absolutely not.
RESPECT is “earned”.
TRUST is freely GIVEN. It has to be.We know this because people (even she!!!) will tell the most intimate details of their personal lives to perfect strangers on an airplane, their hairdresser, a bartender etc…. and WHY? Because they can’t hurt you. Your spouse can. Your boss can. Your friend can. Your family members can. Except a perfect stranger doesn’t give a s~~~.
It’s FAR easier to trust people you don’t know – than people you DO know. And you are forced to. We trust” that other drivers will not crash into us. We trust every person we pass on the street is not going to whip out a gun or a knife and kill you. Do you ask every person on the street to PROVE that they won’t rob, rape, stab, shoot or punch you in the face? No. But they CAN. Anytime they want. That’s how trust works: You have no choice.
“How do I know I can trust you?” is complete bulls~~~.
“How do I know you’re not going to…… ” is complete bulls~~~.
“How do I know you’re nota serial killer?” is complete bulls~~~.Are you really interested in jumping through hoops for some bitch who says a few lazy words and then expects you to PROVE you’re NOT a serial killer?? Because a f~~~ing c~~~ actually asked me that question on a date. On a date!!! And I laughed in her f~~~ing face. “YOU DON’T”. There’s the perfect answer to that f~~~ing stupid question. And she can go f~~~ herself.
Women think “respect” should be given to them freely…. and “trust” needs to be earned.
It’s totally f~~~ing ass backwards.NEVER jump through hoops for a woman who is so clueless to these basic concepts that she would ask “how do I know I can trust you”?
Answer: “YOU DON’T. You will either choose to trust me , or you won’t. Period.”
• Does she ask every waiter: “How do I know you’re not gonna spit in my food?”
• Does she ask the valet driver: “How do I know you’re not a serial killer?”
• Does she ask the bank teller: “How do I know you’re not going to take all my money?”So why would she ask you?
That would be f~~~ing ridiculous. Don’t ever fall for that cheap trick. It’s pathetic.
nice rant. And it’s also a stupid question because I would never ask a female “how can I trust you?” Because I would already distinguish that in my mind and decide whether I should or not instead if asking the person herself which would be a conflict of interest. I’ll already say in my head “oh this bitch is a stripper, I can’t trust her” rather than asking her how do I know if I can.
TRUST is not up to you to earn. It must be given freely until it is abused. She can choose not to trust you – or she can. But it’s not up to YOU to “earn”.
Absolutely, 100% in agreement.
One subtle difference is between trying to earn trust, and demonstrating the fact that one is already trustworthy. What you said is right, and I think most people (even blue-piller’s) intrinsically understand it to be right. Nonetheless there is this mental conflict between knowing you’re “a good guy” and wanting her to “see it”, if that makes sense…
So the point I guess I’m trying to make is that a lot of guys put up with s~~~ tests because they have self respect, and they think that if they demonstrate their worth she will see him for who he is. Unfortunately you can’t expect a woman to “see you for who you are” from the first date, so this “need to demonstrate” is understandable to a point. What’s crazy is how far women take this dynamic and use it to manipulate.
Meh. Probably not doing the best job of communicating my thoughts. But ya, everything you say I actually totally agree with 🙂
The “how do I know I can trust you?” s~~~ test question is truly in the top 10 of bulls~~~ tests women will try on the unsuspecting male. Oh yeah. It’s classic. And you FAIL it the moment you try and prove your “trustworthiness” to her.
Just deflect the question back to her; “how do I know I can trust YOU???”
(stupid bitch)
Make HER prove it and you just PASSED that s~~~ test with flying colors. That bitch who tried that on me, I rubbed it in until she was SICK of hearing it. We would go to a coffee shop and she would order a coffee, and I would lean in and say “how do you know he’s not a serial killer?”. We went for something to eat and after she ordered from the waiter, I asked “how do you know he’s not a serial killer?”. We went to a movie , and I asked her “how do you know the popcorn guy is not a serial killer?”
….. until she BEGGED me to stop. She actually had tears in her eyes. And then I never called her again.
It p~~~ed me off that much.
One subtle difference is between trying to earn trust, and demonstrating the fact that one is already trustworthy. What you said is right, and I think most people (even blue-piller’s) intrinsically understand it to be right. Nonetheless there is this mental conflict between knowing you’re “a good guy” and wanting her to “see it”, if that makes sense…
Well that’s the point. You and I worked FAR too hard in our lives to be good citizens, earn qualifications, be respectable drivers on the road, stay out of prison, etc…. and then a woman starts you off IN THE NEGATIVE INTEGERS and expects you to “prove yourself” just to get to ZERO??
She can F~~~. RIGHT. OFF.
I was a part-time private school teacher (and coach of kids) for almost 5 years and earned my stripes as an officer in another line of work.
Proving that I am trustworthy to some f~~~ing stupid bitch is NOT on my list of interests or concerns.Parents used to drop their children off with me. I even taught piano lessons to 6 year old girls.
And NOT ONE of the parents ever asked “how do I know I can trust you?”.Ever.
Or “how do I know you’re not a serial killer?” Jesus Christ.
Not even a serial killer would answer that f~~~ed up question.Every woman who would ask “how do I know I can trust you” is mentally sick. Truly. Mentally sick.
She hasn’t even proven she is trustworthy herself yet!! And sorry, but having a vagina is not enough.You have to trust that people aren’t going to hurt you. You don’t have a choice!!
You can choose not to trust them, but it’s not up to them to prove they are “trustworthy” to you.
It must be freely given – or not. That’s how trust works.I can’t believe this needs to be explained to a grown woman. She should know that when she is 5. If she doesn’t know it as a grown female, she has no business dating anyone. She can stay home and play with her f~~~ing barbie dolls.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.The “how do I know I can trust you?” s~~~ test question is truly in the top 10 of bulls~~~ tests women will try on the unsuspecting male.
Exactly. Exactly why it came to mind as the example to use.
You and I worked FAR too hard in our lives to be good citizens, earn qualifications, be respectable drivers on the road, stay out of prison, etc…. and then a woman starts you off IN THE NEGATIVE INTEGERS and expects you to “prove yourself” just to get to ZERO??
I know, it’s absurd. Thinking about how hard I’ve worked to get to where I am, about how for the majority of those years a big part of the effort was so that I could provide a stable home, to have a wife and raise children. And so here I am, successful, educated, strong and healthy, and way more than capable of being an “excellent husband and father”. But when you make your sense of self-worth contingent on female attention, you often don’t even notice that you’re starting from a negative, even when in reality you’re starting with so f~~~ing much more.
It’s not flat out stupidity, or lack of intelligence – it’s more complicated than that. What guys put themselves through, and the reasons they put themselves through it, is even tough for someone like me who has some hindsight to understand. I can’t just chalk it up to “stupidity”, I want to get to grips with it a bit more than that.
Anonymous11I think MGTOW is more common sense related than IQ related.
Let’s take CPig’s real life example here for the sake of argument. I have a much, much higher IQ than my only real life high school dropout MGHOW friend. He went GHOW 10 years before I did.
No. If I were to use a DnD analogy, MGTOWs are men with high Wisdom score. IQ scores mean jack s~~~ if you do not have logic, reason and common sense.
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