Divorce rate is not 51%

[Anonymous 0]

Also, do not forget to consider all the people that are “separated”. I know there has got to be a significant number of couples that have been separated for years, technically still married to each other, but have no intention of ever getting back together. They just go their separate ways and really have no need to divorce because they never intend on getting married again.

[Silver FoxParticipant 2766]

Just wait until it becomes illegal for men to initiate a divorce. I don’t think this is entirely far-fetched. After all, if it’s more convenient for the woman to stay married at the time, then for the man to divorce her would be oppressive and patriarchal and male privileged, right?

But then in two years (maybe after she finishes her degree that he’s paying for) it will be convenient for her, and so she’ll be happy to divorce him and get half his s~~~.

"Are you loosed from a wife? Do not seek a wife." --Apostle Paul

[Buff MinorcanParticipant 83]

She multiplies and enlarges what is given to her.

If we are talking about my dick mom then ok I see your point ~Happy Mother’s Day 😀

[FreedomParticipant 295]

Divorce is only half the risk. There is also the risk of being stuck with someone who changed, and now makes you miserable. Anyone can be the victim of a bait-and-switch.

My issue with marriage is not that many end in divorce, but that women can use marriage as a legal instrument to take tremendous amounts of money away from a man. The intentions of the laws that allow this don’t matter; the net result makes marriage a ridiculous proposal for any man who has money.

We must accept the reality that marriage is now a short-term arrangement. If we don’t re-work our laws to treat it as such (and fairly, unlike now), men are going to continue to opt out, in ever-increasing numbers.

It is wise to fear dangerous commitments.

[Buff MinorcanParticipant 83]

The fact that women all want marriage so damn badly is all the warning you need. Ever just stop and think about that? About how it consumes them completely and it’s all about THEIR big day? The ring, the flowers, the food, the bridesmaids, etc.

The perfect photos for all social media to bask in….

When you really think about it I’d say it’s downright creepy. I’ve only seen one wedding I thought was *nice*:

[TiredofbsParticipant 485]

End wrote:

If a person was divorced and then gets remarried they fall under the ‘married’ category. The statistics make no distinction beween a first marraige and later marriages. This is the basic problem of how you end up with a 51% divorce rate. Those who got married a second, third, fourth time don’t show up. Of course I’m sure most of us here understand that in the real world getting remarried doesn’t mean you weren’t divorced. If you get run over by a bus, then get up to try to catch another bus DOES NOT mean you weren’t run over by a bus!

Great topic and good research! I appreciate you posting this. I’ve always believed the divorce numbers are skewed to make them appear lower than they really are. I do think it’s closer to 70% overall. I do wonder if it will stagnate though because my son’s generation, millennials, are putting off marriage and in many cases, not even remotely interested, at least the young men are. I spend a lot of time around my son, who is 22 and his friends and none of them see much value in marriage in the current environment. Guess a lot of these snowflake bitches that have ridden the c~~~ carousel can start ordering male robots to marry.

[AntipathyParticipant 4901]

So let’s get this straightened out, the real divorce rate is probably 2 out of every 3 marriages ends in divorce. And of that 1 out of 3 that make it, how many are happy or content marriages ? Maybe some old married couples that grew up in a different society and different generation, are mildly content, but if we’re talking couples 21-55, it’s gotta be next to none.

[DybbukParticipant 182]

The divorce rate isn’t a simple thing to measure, because at any given time, the population exists in various stages of life. But the data is out there. Everyone in this thread is acting like google doesn’t exist. Or google is shunned in favor of paranoid heuristics such as “things are always worse than they’ve ever been, for people like me” and “everything you read is a lie promulgated by someone with an agenda opposite to mine”.

The basic long-term trend is that divorce spiked upward in the 70’s and then leveled off, and hasn’t changed dramatically since. If there’s been a trend in the recent decades, it’s that people aren’t getting married in the first place. Here’s a recent article claiming that the divorce rate hit a 40-year low. Though it’s from Time, so I guess it was planted by feminist SJW’s or something…

http://time.com/4575495/divorce-rate-nearly-40-year-low/

[Jack HarperParticipant 2863]

Dybbuk wrote:

The divorce rate isn’t a simple thing to measure, because at any given time, the population exists in various stages of life. But the data is out there. Everyone in this thread is acting like google doesn’t exist. Or google is shunned in favor of paranoid heuristics such as “things are always worse than they’ve ever been, for people like me” and “everything you read is a lie promulgated by someone with an agenda opposite to mine”.

The basic long-term trend is that divorce spiked upward in the 70’s and then leveled off, and hasn’t changed dramatically since. If there’s been a trend in the recent decades, it’s that people aren’t getting married in the first place. Here’s a recent article claiming that the divorce rate hit a 40-year low. Though it’s from Time, so I guess it was planted by feminist SJW’s or something…

http://time.com/4575495/divorce-rate-nearly-40-year-low/

The whole point of the thread is to question the validity of the numbers as presented to us through media. Indeed we can use google.

[GnosticParticipant 2491]

Dybbuk wrote:

The divorce rate isn’t a simple thing to measure, because at any given time, the population exists in various stages of life. But the data is out there. Everyone in this thread is acting like google doesn’t exist. Or google is shunned in favor of paranoid heuristics such as “things are always worse than they’ve ever been, for people like me” and “everything you read is a lie promulgated by someone with an agenda opposite to mine”.

The basic long-term trend is that divorce spiked upward in the 70’s and then leveled off, and hasn’t changed dramatically since. If there’s been a trend in the recent decades, it’s that people aren’t getting married in the first place. Here’s a recent article claiming that the divorce rate hit a 40-year low. Though it’s from Time, so I guess it was planted by feminist SJW’s or something…

http://time.com/4575495/divorce-rate-nearly-40-year-low/

Of course we can Google, and we get the conclusion from Google by analyzing the numbers presented by us from the mainstream media. Using the mainstream media own numbers we can determine if they lie or not.

Note that we are using the mainstream media own numbers.

For example the mainstream media that says the unemployment rate is below 6%, they also say 43.5 million people on food stamps?

the number of food stamp is 43.5 million in 2016 in a population of 325 million so 13.38% of the US population is on food stamps.

We are just doing the same with the divorce numbers.

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[EndParticipant 262]

I’m glad this topic sparked some interest. As Jack Harper mentioned the intention was to remind us to question the validity of the numbers and how they’re created. As a simple example,,, looking at an average is not the same thing as examining the integer sequence the average came from. Two very different integer sequences can produce the same average. If you don’t take the time to examine the core data it’s very easy to be mislead or misunderstand what the numbers are telling us. Personally I don’t believe in conspiracies or anything like that. There’s just 7 billion people all doing what is in their better interest which may or may not be similar to my better interest. Therefore there is intrinsic value in examining all the data to develop a greater depth of understanding.

We all know not to get married etc. etc. so the conversation could end right there. But as men we like to understand things and sometimes we all need a gentle reminder to look again at what’s in front of us and see it with new eyes.

[DybbukParticipant 182]

Gnostic wrote:

For example the mainstream media that says the unemployment rate is below 6%, they also say 43.5 million people on food stamps?

the number of food stamp is 43.5 million in 2016 in a population of 325 million so 13.38% of the US population is on food stamps.

We are just doing the same with the divorce numbers.

OK, but I’m not seeing a lot of success in that analysis, just a lot of guys saying “I don’t believe what they’re saying, so I’ll just believe anecdotal evidence from my own life”.

The food stamp thing is easy to explain. You can get food stamps up to 130% of the poverty level, so it includes a lot of people with jobs. But doesn’t that count of 43.5 million include children as well? If so, comparing the percentage on food stamps to the unemployment rate is a useless exercise. That said, the unemployment rate is understating the jobs problem, by not counting people who have given up, etc.

[GnosticParticipant 2491]

Dybbuk wrote:

Gnostic wrote:

For example the mainstream media that says the unemployment rate is below 6%, they also say 43.5 million people on food stamps?

the number of food stamp is 43.5 million in 2016 in a population of 325 million so 13.38% of the US population is on food stamps.

We are just doing the same with the divorce numbers.

OK, but I’m not seeing a lot of success in that analysis, just a lot of guys saying “I don’t believe what they’re saying, so I’ll just believe anecdotal evidence from my own life”.

The food stamp thing is easy to explain. You can get food stamps up to 130% of the poverty level, so it includes a lot of people with jobs. But doesn’t that count of 43.5 million include children as well? If so, comparing the percentage on food stamps to the unemployment rate is a useless exercise. That said, the unemployment rate is understating the jobs problem, by not counting people who have given up, etc.

Well then maybe you can read yourself what you link.

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But researchers have found that typical marriages still have about a 50% chance of lasting. (This number has been widely debated, since first marriages are much more likely to survive than second or third.)
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Note that I am using information from your own link
http://time.com/4575495/divorce-rate-nearly-40-year-low/

Then the mainstream media also said 40% of marriage are remarriage. I already link the information earlier in this topic earlier.

Divorce rate is not 51%

So out of the 50% marriage, 40% of this 50% are not first time marriage, men from this marriage experience divorce before, do the match and it is 20% of this 50% marriage are not first time marriage.

So out of 100% men who marry, 70% experience divorce.

As for the unemployment & food stamp, are you sure the numbers is 130%, not 230%? Where did you get the numbers? Because 13.38% population on food stamp is 223% of 6% unemployment rate.

And why people give up finding a job? Why children have to be on food stamps? Something happen to their parents?

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[Anonymous 3]

Buff Minorcan wrote:

The fact that women all want marriage so damn badly is all the warning you need. Ever just stop and think about that? About how it consumes them completely and it’s all about THEIR big day? The ring, the flowers, the food, the bridesmaids, etc.

The perfect photos for all social media to bask in….

When you really think about it I’d say it’s downright creepy. I’ve only seen one wedding I thought was *nice*:

lol they only want marriage when it suits them. Try getting a woman under 25 to get married, she will screech and scream how it’s oppressive and awful. But by 30 she’s trying to force men into marriage and conveniently forgets how she swore it was slavery a decade earlier.

[Buff MinorcanParticipant 83]

Gnostic wrote:

Dybbuk wrote:

The divorce rate isn’t a simple thing to measure, because at any given time, the population exists in various stages of life. But the data is out there. Everyone in this thread is acting like google doesn’t exist. Or google is shunned in favor of paranoid heuristics such as “things are always worse than they’ve ever been, for people like me” and “everything you read is a lie promulgated by someone with an agenda opposite to mine”.

The basic long-term trend is that divorce spiked upward in the 70’s and then leveled off, and hasn’t changed dramatically since. If there’s been a trend in the recent decades, it’s that people aren’t getting married in the first place. Here’s a recent article claiming that the divorce rate hit a 40-year low. Though it’s from Time, so I guess it was planted by feminist SJW’s or something…

http://time.com/4575495/divorce-rate-nearly-40-year-low/

Of course we can Google, and we get the conclusion from Google by analyzing the numbers presented by us from the mainstream media. Using the mainstream media own numbers we can determine if they lie or not.

Note that we are using the mainstream media own numbers.

For example the mainstream media that says the unemployment rate is below 6%, they also say 43.5 million people on food stamps?

the number of food stamp is 43.5 million in 2016 in a population of 325 million so 13.38% of the US population is on food stamps.

We are just doing the same with the divorce numbers.

Lots of people that work still qualify for government assistance. Also the number on food stamps includes children, the number employed does not.

[IRuleMeParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Buff Minorcan wrote:

The fact that women all want marriage so damn badly is all the warning you need. Ever just stop and think about that? About how it consumes them completely and it’s all about THEIR big day? The ring, the flowers, the food, the bridesmaids, etc.

The perfect photos for all social media to bask in….

When you really think about it I’d say it’s downright creepy. I’ve only seen one wedding I thought was *nice*:

lol they only want marriage when it suits them. Try getting a woman under 25 to get married, she will screech and scream how it’s oppressive and awful. But by 30 she’s trying to force men into marriage and conveniently forgets how she swore it was slavery a decade earlier.

huh? Yes studies show millennials looking to marry later, but a good majority of girls get married young, and are excited to marry young. Esp if they’ve locked onto a “provider”. The ones who reallyy PUSH to get married as you say the 30+ club, are the ones generally rejected by the dating game, who see the clock ticking and want to hurry and settle down. They’re also the ones usually trying to rush the relationship along.

[GnosticParticipant 2491]

Buff Minorcan wrote:

Gnostic wrote:

Dybbuk wrote:

The divorce rate isn’t a simple thing to measure, because at any given time, the population exists in various stages of life. But the data is out there. Everyone in this thread is acting like google doesn’t exist. Or google is shunned in favor of paranoid heuristics such as “things are always worse than they’ve ever been, for people like me” and “everything you read is a lie promulgated by someone with an agenda opposite to mine”.

The basic long-term trend is that divorce spiked upward in the 70’s and then leveled off, and hasn’t changed dramatically since. If there’s been a trend in the recent decades, it’s that people aren’t getting married in the first place. Here’s a recent article claiming that the divorce rate hit a 40-year low. Though it’s from Time, so I guess it was planted by feminist SJW’s or something…

http://time.com/4575495/divorce-rate-nearly-40-year-low/

Of course we can Google, and we get the conclusion from Google by analyzing the numbers presented by us from the mainstream media. Using the mainstream media own numbers we can determine if they lie or not.

Note that we are using the mainstream media own numbers.

For example the mainstream media that says the unemployment rate is below 6%, they also say 43.5 million people on food stamps?

the number of food stamp is 43.5 million in 2016 in a population of 325 million so 13.38% of the US population is on food stamps.

We are just doing the same with the divorce numbers.

Lots of people that work still qualify for government assistance. Also the number on food stamps includes children, the number employed does not.

So I trust you have no problems with the numbers that 70% of men who marry experience divorce at least once?

As for the food stamps, A lot of people that work qualify for food stamps because their earnings is so low that they can be considered the same as unemployed, yes?

As for the children,
The states have 73.7 million children below 18 in 2016. 6% unemployment out of 325 million population is 19.5 million. Assuming the 6% unemployed have 6% of the children. 6% of 73.7 is 4.422 million.
Add the children and unemployed is 23.922 million, which is 7.36% of the 325 million population. It cannot reach 13.38% food stamp population.

To reach that the 6% of the unemployed population have to have 32.55% of the children. Is that possible?
https://www.childstats.gov/AMERICASCHILDREN/tables/pop1.asp

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[narwhalParticipant]

The unemployment percentage stats only include people that are capable and looking to work. In other words, it doesn’t include kids, retired, stay at home parents, or those who just gave up entirely. The reality is that as there is less work available, it won’t look as bad as it actually is since lack of work is going to push people to stop looking for work.

As far as the divorce rate, it really doesn’t matter as long as family law is as it is. No fault divorce has fundamental changed the behavior of virtually all women, and made marriage a no win situation. Any man who is actually happy with married life is only happy despite all the attempts to make his life miserable by society and the government.

Seriously, I don’t see how being married again could make my life better. At the very best, she might not make it worse.

Ok. Then do it.

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