Divorce rate is not 51%

[EndParticipant 262]

Sorry to bring up this topic again as it was touched upon several weeks back with a news article claiming a 51% divorce rate but there is an important point that wasn’t touched upon (no one caught it) that I think needs some clarity.

If a person was divorced and then gets remarried they fall under the ‘married’ category. The statistics make no distinction beween a first marraige and later marriages. This is the basic problem of how you end up with a 51% divorce rate. Those who got married a second, third, fourth time don’t show up. Of course I’m sure most of us here understand that in the real world getting remarried doesn’t mean you weren’t divorced. If you get run over by a bus, then get up to try to catch another bus DOES NOT mean you weren’t run over by a bus!

If your intention is to determine if marriages are working out well (instead of producing fraudulent numbers) and couples are staying together in traditional arrangements then the numbers would be calculated such that once you get divorced once, you stay in the divorced category. Unfortunately those who create and report on these numbers obviously aren’t interested in a clear representation of the truth. As far as I can tell the true numbers are closer to the high 70’s low 80’s percentile of divorced/failed marriages. Not only do the numbers bear this out but for my area of the country (US) it is certainly more representative of what I see around me.

To see the flaw in calculating the numbers the way they do just take it to the extreme to expose it. 100 couples are married. All 100 get divorced but remarry someone else. So according to their method of measurement you have a 0% divorce rate while paradoxically having divorce lawyers fully employed and divorce courts overflowing. The divorce rate/marriage failure rate is obviously 100% in this example.

Of course I’m always happy to be proven wrong but it certainly seems the numbers are out by a Carolina mile. But, of course the MSM would never lie to us……..right?

Just some food for thought.

[Anonymous 14]

Friggin nuts. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if you have this right.

[ScarberianMPTGLParticipant 3286]

Well, regardless of the actual divorce rate, I think this clip perfectly sums up my thoughts about ever getting married to any of these broads in this day and age:

I, Lelouch Vi Britannia, command you, all of you, to Go Your Own Way!!

[UntamedParticipant]

They can cook up numbers any which way they want. Their percentages are about as correct as the Media’s polls before Trump was elected. To believe them is to believe that 99% of men are happy in their marriage.
We know the divorce rates are skyrocketing but we won’t get an accurate percentage for the reasons you cite and other reasons as well.
Marriage is for gays and weemins’ advantage, that much we know. The rest is Blue-Pill guesses and manipulation.

Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!

[Jack HarperParticipant 2863]

End I’ve pondered this myself and I think posted a thread about it a while back. I’ve done some research and could find no clear cut answers as to where the 50% originally came from. And from what I could tell from reviewing a couple of YouTube videos where guys tried to analyze the way they were deriving the statistics it did seem as though the powers that be were utilizing methods to paint the picture they want to present. I haven’t seen an analysis that I feel clearly debunks the 50(51)% ratio. I have read that the second marriage divorce rate jumps to 75% and keeps climbing with each successive marriage. Thus the average overall I read was 65% of overall marriages end in divorce. So 2/3.

I’m generally not one to buy into conspiracies and I’m not sure this would qualify as that but I do think the divorce rate is being deliberately misrepresented to the public. The powers that be know that we can tell just from observation that it’s high, but they also know that marriage and keeping men ‘blue pill’ has been turning the wheels of the great machine for a long, long time. So I believe they push the 50% narrative knowing that most men can rationalize that away “I have 50/50 odds and I know I found a Unicorn so I’ll be ok.” That was my mistake. And many others fell into the same quicksand I imagine. But if they admit that the failure of even first marriages is significantly over 50%, say 60% they know men will walk away.

Of course now men are already walking away as we all know. What I’d like to see is a wide study where they go back 50 years and check which % of couples married within that time frame (since the advent of second wave feminism and birth control pills) are still in their first marriage and remain married. How many have divorced? Of those divorced how many have remarried and how many of them have in turn divorced again. That would be most telling, but I have not heard of such a study. If I am mistaken and someone knows of one please direct me that way.

For my part I suspect (just gut feeling) the actual divorce rate for first marriages is above 60% in reality.

[EndParticipant 262]

ScarberianMPTGL wrote:

Well, regardless of the actual divorce rate, I think this clip perfectly sums up my thoughts about ever getting married to any of these broads in this day and age:

Definitely agree with you. I just think there’s significant value to be had in recognizing the manipulation that has become ubiquitous. It’s easy to miss sometimes as we have all become saturated by it. Thomas Sowell is one of the few who always pointed out how numbers like this are warped.

[GnosticParticipant 2491]

And certain state like California, Georgia, Hawaii, Indiana is not counted in the divorce registry.

California should have higher divorce rate, it is said that the divorce rate can be higher then 70% but it is hard to find actual recent figures

United States Divorce Statistics

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[Buff MinorcanParticipant 83]

Even if the rate was 0% I’d still ask: Why bother?

[Anonymous 5]

Am good. Good post! Seeing this is very sad.

[GnosticParticipant 2491]

Ok found it, 40% of marriage are remarriage.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/forty-percent-of-new-us-marriages-are-remarriages-report-finds/2014/11/13/c0e46c04-6b7f-11e4-b053-65cea7903f2e_story.html?utm_term=.b4647e417833

So lets see, propaganda says 50% of marriage end in divorce.

That means out of 100 men, 50 are married and 50 are divorced.

However if 40% of this marriage is remarriage, of the 50 still married men, 20 men have been divorced at least once and 30 never divorce.

That means out of 100 men who marry, 70 men experience divorce.

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[Pedal, run, rowParticipant]

Whatever the actual figure is, I am sure it is continuing in an upward trend. Not only has all incentive been removed for the woman to remain in the marriage, and the system rigged to allow her to walk out with as much as possible, but there is no longer any social stigma associated with divorce. In fact a divorce is now desirable for their much sought after victim status.

I was married once. that is it for me, so count me as “divorced” and now off the plantation for life.

[EndParticipant 262]

The numbers are sad no matter how you look at it. I suppose those of us who left the plantation can just say No F~~~s Given. I find it enjoyable though ( in a sick sort of way) to analyze all the numbers in society. Everything always seems to show the car rocketing off the cliff,,,,which I have to admit always makes me smile.

[Pedal, run, rowParticipant]

Gnostic wrote:

That means out of 100 men who marry, 70 men experience divorce.

Now that sounds about right, and as I said – I expect that number to keep climbing.

[Anonymous 1]

End wrote:

Sorry to bring up this topic again as it was touched upon several weeks back with a news article claiming a 51% divorce rate but there is an important point that wasn’t touched upon (no one caught it) that I think needs some clarity.

If a person was divorced and then gets remarried they fall under the ‘married’ category. The statistics make no distinction beween a first marraige and later marriages. This is the basic problem of how you end up with a 51% divorce rate. Those who got married a second, third, fourth time don’t show up. Of course I’m sure most of us here understand that in the real world getting remarried doesn’t mean you weren’t divorced. If you get run over by a bus, then get up to try to catch another bus DOES NOT mean you weren’t run over by a bus!

If your intention is to determine if marriages are working out well (instead of producing fraudulent numbers) and couples are staying together in traditional arrangements then the numbers would be calculated such that once you get divorced once, you stay in the divorced category. Unfortunately those who create and report on these numbers obviously aren’t interested in a clear representation of the truth. As far as I can tell the true numbers are closer to the high 70’s low 80’s percentile of divorced/failed marriages. Not only do the numbers bear this out but for my area of the country (US) it is certainly more representative of what I see around me.

To see the flaw in calculating the numbers the way they do just take it to the extreme to expose it. 100 couples are married. All 100 get divorced but remarry someone else. So according to their method of measurement you have a 0% divorce rate while paradoxically having divorce lawyers fully employed and divorce courts overflowing. The divorce rate/marriage failure rate is obviously 100% in this example.

Of course I’m always happy to be proven wrong but it certainly seems the numbers are out by a Carolina mile. But, of course the MSM would never lie to us……..right?

Just some food for thought.

Most divorces are started by women, truth be that women do not want it to “last forever”, just for the time that they need you to pay for the house, to have the kids that she will manipulate against the father, and maybe some other things. When all those points have a check mark, then you can pack up and get the f~~~ out.

And I firmly believe that divorces started by men have some reason because of it, that means the wife is cheating and not even hiding it, or she became so lazy that the man have to do all the work at home and at his job, clearly becoming a slave both for the society and for his family(basically she pushes the man to start the divorce, so that she can even get more because she now is the “victim” of her husband that wants a divorce). I know a man that have been cheated by his wife, but their economy sucked, so they kept living in the same house without talking to each other, and since they could not “afford” a divorce legally, they went to the point of getting close again, and the man just kept going forward(they have a daughter too, that is one more reason to why they are still together). Men go through the most hard s~~~, and they swallow it and go on, women? do whatever they want, and most of the times get rewarded with a house and cash.

No fault divorce made marriage a stupid deal, and with modern women it is like giving her a bow and arrows and put an apple on your head, “go for it honey, I know you can do it!”.

[Buff MinorcanParticipant 83]

My own mother 3 months ago told me she understands why I’ll never be married, women all suck.

Her words. High five mom.

*To be fair my brother got married and had some really cute kids, so she got to be the grandmother she wanted to be. Now that that’s out of the way (and she sees how worthless her daughter in law is lol) she doesn’t need me to get married haha.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I hadn’t thought of it as you put it down, but not surprised at all. I also see a far greater than 51% divorce rate, and I know there is some serious bulls~~~ afoot with that 51% – no matter how cleverly they move the scenery around.

Just look at this bitch and she’s still “happily married” . . . . and that comes from the last place you would ever expect: OPRAH MAGAZINE and CNN. They practically promote miserable middle aged harpies who still complain because their husband greets their ungrateful aging asses with a SMILE in the morning after 16 years of busting his ass to make her “happy”.

And she’s a POSTER example from 2008(?).

So even when I take it at face value that the “divorce rate is a lousy 51%” I know the other 49% not happily married. Just because it didn’t fail doesn’t mean it worked.

Here’s another bulls~~~ stat. DNA test results reveal anywhere up to 30% of American kids don’t have the father they think they do. OMG RIGHT? But just wait, it gets better when you realize that number only includes the women who agree to a test! The UK recently said it’s 49%. In Zimbabwe it’s 70%

That’s going on irrespective of fabricated divorce rates, and married dads are taking someone else’s bastard spawn to Disneyland without even realizing it.

A marriage contract fails a cost/benefit analysis for men. Full stop.

Buff Minorcan wrote:

Even if the rate was 0% I’d still ask: Why bother?

Before I clicked to read, Buff already Minorcan beat me to it.

P/S. @end. We communicated in an email and I’m glad to see you active now. Welcome to the forums.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Buff Minorcan wrote:

My own mother 3 months ago told me she understands why I’ll never be married, women all suck.

Her words. High five mom.

You’re lucky, my mom understands but she STILL thinks I just need to “keep looking”. True story! A few days ago she sent me a quote in an email and titled it “Wisdom about women”.

“I think women are foolish to pretend they are equal to men. They are far superior and always have been. Whatever you give a woman, she will make greater. If you give her sperm, she’ll give you a baby. If you give her a house, she’ll give you a home. If you give her groceries, she’ll give you a meal. If you give her a smile, she’ll give you her heart. She multiplies and enlarges what is given to her. So, if you give her any crap, be prepared to receive a ton of s~~~!”

Can you believe that s~~~?

I had to ask my mother the uncomfortable question: Are women still “superior” when you give them sperm and they have an abortion? Is that called “making it greater”? My cousin gave his wife a house, and now he moved out , and still pays for her to live there after she wanted a divorce after 28 years. Is that’s called “making it greater”?

There has still been no reply in more than 3 days. Excellent.
She realized it was a mistake to send it at all.

The quote is by Sir William Golding ( author of Lord of the Flies ) and this “wisdom” was attached with an opener, saying he had “a lifetime of experience with women”. But he didn’t . He was married to the same woman for 54 years. Any modern man’s experience with women is greater than his.

On mother’s day, I will be sending her flowers as usual…..
but this time, the card will say “have a superior day”.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

You can’t measure it until everyone is dead. They said it was only 50%. Now with the wave of silver divorces it has to be way up.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[EndParticipant 262]

Keymaster wrote:

P/S. @end. We communicated in an email and I’m glad to see you active now. Welcome to the forums.

Thank you for the help Keymaster. I’m not very computer savvy so I really appreciate your help and patience.

[Anonymous 42]

My own personal divorce rate is 0.0%, how do they factor that in? Am I considered happily married? I would divorce every f~~~ing one of them!

Always twisted, always skewed, always wrong, 100% WRONG!

What’s the latest marriage rate? 0.0%? If so the divorce rate will improve drastically!

Always twisted, always skewed, always wrong, 100% WRONG!

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