Disappointing Your Family By Being MGTOW

[743 roadmasterParticipant]

After both of my divorces and my brother with his,….the whole issue of gf/getting married came to an abrupt halt. My Mom would like to have more grand kids,…but no longer pushes the issue.

mgtow is its own worst enemy- https://www.campusreform.org/

[FunInTheSunParticipant 8283]

We have to live for ourselves once we leave the nest. It is our destiny. If your parents can’t accept that, it’s THEIR problem. And if they want “grandkids,” there are plenty of orphans in impoverished countries that they can adopt. I think it’s really selfish for someone to want their children to take on the responsibility and financial burden of having a baby just so they can feel good.

I have an idea: ask your parents to co-sign your child-support payments (in case you accidentally knock up some chick). Then we’ll see how much they really want grandkids.

Personally, I’ve disappointed my parents so many times that I give up. I can’t impress them. They wanted me to get a college degree, but college classes drive me crazy. I can’t be responsible for other people’s expectations, and they sure as hell aren’t willing to do what I want them to do (because it would make me feel better). So…that’s life.

"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)

[MusclecarGolferParticipant 637]

I’m an only child (39), and although I was expecting the “parental-grandchildren guilt trip”, I was pleasantly surprised that BOTH my parents never wanted any grandchildren. In fact, neither of them are really interested if I ever have a girlfriend; I suppose I kind of hit the MGTOW jackpot in that sense.

[FunInTheSunParticipant 8283]

foghornleghorn wrote:

Your parents were married in a different time and a different environment.

Exactly! There was a time when women took home economics in high school and were socially conditioned to be a housewife. That was before the bra-burning feminists spat out their anti-male/anti-family agenda to the world.

I think most of the senior citizens & Baby Boomers have no idea how hard it is to be a young adult and figure out a way to create a traditional family in the USA—and other socially-liberated nations—in our current society.

My society tells women they don’t have to take responsibility for their choices—including the marriage contract. If they make a mistake, someone else will pay for it (ex-boyfriend, ex-husband, taxpayers).

"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)

[jimbob15217Participant 491]

Quell wrote:

My parents have always been very supportive of me and overall I had a good childhood.

That’s truly wonderful and I mean that honestly. Now it’s time for them to continue to support you so that you can have a good adulthood. You can ask them to do that.

[Blue SkiesParticipant 15665]

Being in my mid-20s, i used to feel the same way. However, my NFG level is at an all time high so I really don’t give a f*ck about what my parents think.

It’s my life, not theirs.

MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.

[Bloody HeartlandParticipant 693]

My father hasn’t so much, but my mother has pushed for it, even already having a granddaughter from my brother, and my sister trying to have another. Seems to hold true that women in general will refuse to acknowledge how dangerous it is for men these days.

"I have the fury of my own momentum." "With this ring I thee wed. Fire walk with me."

[mellow81Participant 105]

It’s your life bro. Don’t forget your parents had been raised in a different generation. Divorce in their time was considered a “no no” & couples who did it had been looked down upon by many members in society. Marriage had been pushed on them by family, friends, religion.
There must be nothing worse than looking back on your life & realizing yo haven’t been living your life.

[freedomParticipant 5129]

Lucky for me, my parents already have grandkids from their other kids, so I don’t feel as much pressure.
I love my parents, but I will have to live with that decision, not them.

I think that my parents somewhat understand my decision, at least my old man who thinks marriage sucks anyway, from his experience, my mom still advocates for it though.

[AbsumoParticipant 51]

I can understand the sense of guilt from feeling as if disappointing your parents for not getting married or having kids. However, in this day and age it truly is far more dangerous then it would ever be worth. Even if the times were better, it still honestly not something to go for due to female nature being exposed even more than it has been. It would seem at least your father is indeed understanding of your viewpoints. Ultimately, it is your life. The one who has the final say in your life is yourself.

As for my own parents, they both also have told me outright they wanted to have grandchildren; despite the fact my sister already is currently married with children already. My family knows full well I have no desire for neither family nor children. For now, they more or less accept the fact I will not be involved with women at all. However, they have in the past tried to utilize tactics and plans in an attempt to convince me otherwise. In the end, it never did work, and it never will.

[Manspread MansplainerParticipant 4222]

“When are you going to get married son? We need to see your child to complete our legacy.”

Every girl I pay to take on dates ends up going back to her ex and using me for free meals. I think I will focus more on financial stability and healthy lifestyle. Most women are unfit to be mothers today.

I wonder why that seems to be the case?

If women ran the world = It would become the shithole you are seeing.

[IRuleMeParticipant]

Quell wrote:

One of the hardest things for me personally on my red pill journey is disappointing my parents.

My parents have always been very supportive of me and overall I had a good childhood. I see my folks about once a month and mom always hounds me about if I dating etc… She keeps me telling me “I just haven’t found the one yet.”

After many failed relationships, I’ve let my parents know that I believe marriage to be rather risky and my views on divorce. My dad agreed with me and my mom just called me bitter.

I think one of the biggest issues I’m still having, at 32, is letting down my family in some way. My dad is 70 years old now and both of them want grandchildren. I know time is not on their side. It’s dumb but in some odd sense I feel like I’m not marrying and having kids is disappointing my family in a deep way. They want to experience grandkids in their golden years.

Part of being an adult is recognizing that your life is your own. You do not owe anybody an explanation for your life choices; even your family. That being said mentally it’s something that is in the back of my mind.

Lots of guys who are MGTOW who deal with this issue, tell their mom “women of today aren’t like you and grandma, mom.” That seems to do the trick. Mom’s tend to understand that and the subject usually dies.

[ghostParticipant]

IRuleMe wrote:

Lots of guys who are MGTOW who deal with this issue, tell their mom “women of today aren’t like you and grandma, mom.” That seems to do the trick. Mom’s tend to understand that and the subject usually dies.

Fortunately or unfortunately, depending on how one looks at it, I have plenty of real life experiences to point to when there is that type of discussion. There is some sadness on her part and seeing how hard I’ve tried, it hurts her that I have been so unlucky. I explain to her that I’m actually lucky and not the unlucky one.

My Dad doesn’t mention it at all but I can sense his sadness as well. He has seen what I’ve gone through so he never brings it up. He has never discussed women with me. His style is to let me figure it out on my own. Our conversations are about business, politics and current events.

[IRuleMeParticipant]

ghost wrote:

IRuleMe wrote:

Lots of guys who are MGTOW who deal with this issue, tell their mom “women of today aren’t like you and grandma, mom.” That seems to do the trick. Mom’s tend to understand that and the subject usually dies.

Fortunately or unfortunately, depending on how one looks at it, I have plenty of real life experiences to point to when there is that type of discussion. There is some sadness on her part and seeing how hard I’ve tried, it hurts her that I have been so unlucky. I explain to her that I’m actually lucky and not the unlucky one.

My Dad doesn’t mention it at all but I can sense his sadness as well. He has seen what I’ve gone through so he never brings it up. He has never discussed women with me. His style is to let me figure it out on my own. Our conversations are about business, politics and current events.

Of course. Being that I have a close relationship with my dad, he still can’t process when I tell him “no relationships, no marriage, no kids”. He’ll always project that stuff about how so and so is a “nice girl” and all this stuff trying to drop hints that I should hook up with women and have relationships. No thanks. I’m still getting over the 16 year one I had with my dog. But hey, it is what it is. Either our parents understand or they don’t. They’re so hardwired they can’t process that we’re living in a different world with different rules than the one they grew up living with.

[Anonymous 3]

They’re going to be even more disappointed when you get divorced, have your children taken away from you, lose everything you own, and become an alimony slave.

[Anonymous 12]

Anonymous wrote:

At some point you will realize that your family needs to be punted too.
Not all of them of course, just the demanding poochie ones that will not let you live your life in peace or the ones that want to tax your resources.
If they are c~~~s the need to be punted. Blood or no.

BRUTAL!

…true.
She has programmed you to the Blue Pill, and You did not obey – how dare you disappoint the Female Hive mind!!

I echo what the others said (not their f~~~ing Choice) and add:
How about you team up with your dad here, and tell them that in order to live a productive, fulfilling life – education, Job, and as an adult “paying back to society”…
can be done in many ways – having Kids is not the only way of paying it forward.

“my students are almost like my kids – i see them struggle with puberty and help where i can, after Math class”
“i have a trainee at work, and besides the actual technical education, i am quite involved in being his emotional tampon”

Plus: observe your father!
What does he do, how does he spend his time?
I bet you a fiver he is happy to have you out of the house and walk your own path,
and having tons of time and cash for himself.
Do not ask – observe!

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

I got lucky, my bro is dead, my sister says she aint having kids.
Me? well you guys know..
And my mother is OK with it.
Actually my mother told me, “if i knew the kind of world i was going to bring you into, i wold have keept my legs closed”

Death bless my mother. Red pilled woman.

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[JVBParticipant]

Put down that shame bro and live your life. Do what you feel is right and the rest can fit in or f~~~ off. Their choice.

Peace is > piece.

[It’sallbsParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

At some point you will realize that your family needs to be punted too.

Not all of them of course, just the demanding poochie ones that will not let you live your life in peace or the ones that want to tax your resources.

If they are c~~~s the need to be punted. Blood or no.

correct.

http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

[sjt1975Participant 2536]

My parents are good people and they want me to be happy. My Dad has admitted to me, in private, that Marriage is a Bad Deal, because women only want money/security from a man. My Mum is old-fashioned and she desperately wants me to find a good woman, get married, have children, etc. I have been Blue Pill Brain-Washed for the first 36 years of my life, but after learning about the experiences of guys with wives/girl-friends/ex-wives/ex-girl-friends and after experiencing the way that modern women behave/think nowadays, the hypergamistic/promiscuous nature of women has recently solidified in my mind. I am 42 now. I am Going My Own Way and I have no personal problem with that, but I still feel a bit guilty about disappointing my parents (mainly my Mum), because I will effectively be the ‘end of the line’ for my family name; I will have/leave no legacy in this world. I suppose the ‘guilt’ that I feel is a part of the Blue Pill Programming. But, thinking about it, who in their right mind would want to bring a child in to this toxic world?

How do you guys deal with your Mums asking you about dating, getting a girl-friend, etc.? I’ve told my Mum what modern girls/women are like, but she just says NAWALT, that I need to go out more and that “there’s a girl out there for me”, etc. I don’t think my Mum could handle me being very blunt with her. Can you guys please give me some advice/tips about this?

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