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Women might have emotions for no reason, but men have reasons behind their emotions. A lot of men here have very good reasons to be angry. Moreover anger is not a bad thing. Only what you do with your anger might be, or it might be good. It all depends on how anger is used.
The last thing I want to see on this forum are “feelings police”. That’s feminine touchy feely bulls~~~. Men don’t tell other men to stop being angry. Men ask other men why they are angry and then work out how to solve the problem behind it.
This isn’t a hugbox. It’s a think tank.
Which men, how are they doing so, and while how did you come to the conclusion that this is “all they do”? Cite proof.
Astute observation good sir….
Last I checked, “frustration” and “anger” are natural reactions to a demographic that generally acts against one’s interests.
never said it wasn’t
Code Red
Wait a minute, I’m not shaming anyone, I’m actually genuinely concerned. Anger and expressing it are only healthy for so long, after that it is counter productive. So I’m not shaming anyone for BEING angry.
The only thing that needs denunciation here is your shaming language. May you cease and desist your foolishness forthwith.
Well denounce away Cipher, I’m not going to hold it against you. Just remember, I’m not shaming anyone before you do. I may appear foolish, and I’m ok with that, but don’t you ever think I’m trying to silence anyone, just like I’m not about to let you silence me by claiming I’m shaming.
You are, in essence, calling for an inquisition over something as trivial as feelings you do not like.
No, maybe I misspoke. I want these guys to NOT be angry all the time. It is not healthy or productive to dwell in anger. I understand it has it’s place, but if all you do is rage against women you clearly aren’t going anywhere let alone your own way. You are stuck in one place. You are not improving and seeking self actualization.
If it saves you from posting here, go help them.
Oh my, are we cross Cipher…. did I touch a nerve? Are you p~~~ed at me? Well, have a heapin’ helping of go f~~~ yourself. I’ll do as I damn well please… and I’m not even angry at you.
Okay, this is a start to the question asked. This is one man and one video that you have not linked to, you need at least two, and how do you know this is “all [he does]”?
What, do you think he’s the only MGTOW on permanent rage? It was watching that video I realized some of our detractors might have a point. Then that holy f~~~ing s~~~ moment made me want to ask questions. I’ve seen MGTOW’s rant about why don’t feminists denounce radical feminists, and they never even consider that as an option. So pardon me whilst I consider denouncing the permanently p~~~ed. You know just so I’m not a hypocrite.
I think you are doing so in the post to which I am replying.
I’m actually voicing a concern, if I was griefing, this would be far funnier, I assure you.
I smell a concern troll.
While I am not above that, I’m not actually trolling.
Without defining one’s terms, that is useless rhetoric.
well without defining terms how the f~~~ do you expect to be understood. As for rhetoric, f~~~ you I’m really good at it.
I have not so much as laid eyes upon 99,9% of women, so of course I am indifferent to them.
So what’s your point?
It is my observation that people who bandy about the terms “positive” and “negative” do so for purposes of creating a false dichotomy. Furthermore, both terms are utterly useless descriptors in that they are entirely based upon the writer’s own perceptions of what is desirable and undesirable.
Well pardon me for believing in moral objectivity Cipher. Positive, and negative emotions, right and wrong do actually exist. I’m not trying to “create” anything. Maybe they are useless when based upon my singular perspective. Holy f~~~ do you think maybe that’s why I f~~~ing asked everyone here? Instead of spoiling for a fight with me…. and you are, how about you do something constructive, you know “positive” and do it with just a smidge less condescension and petulance.
If you think perpetual rage, and s~~~ talking all women is somehow a good thing, by all means explain it to me, because I don’t get it. I spent a long long time in my life where I was angry just like that, and I was f~~~ing miserable.If I can save another man from having to experience it I will.
Life is too long to play by someone elses rules....
Smitty you’ve gone from, “Denouncing Fools” … to, ” I spent a long long time in my life where I was angry just like that, and I was f~~~ing miserable. If I can save another man from having to experience it I will.”
“As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another.” King Solomon. Perhaps you and Cipher are a lot more alike once having considered timelines and other variables.
I’ll take the heat here for motivating your post’s establishment, and will try to do so from the “faithful are the wounds of a friend, but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful” King Solomon.
Now, back to my raging not really
"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."
The idea of MGTOW, I think, is a passive aggressive approach to dealing with a society that hates men and wants them suffering or dead.
So are we a passive aggressive movement?
I think so but most of you guys will probably not agree. It is easier to just ignore. But our ignoring, going our own way, is a political action.
When I think of positive and effective political action I think of Martin Luther King Jr.
“How MLK became an angry black man”
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/16/us/king-birmingham-jail-letter-anniversary/
They put him in jail, in solitary. How many fathers have to be put in jail before anger becomes the norm with men in our country? My ex tried to put me in jail. Cost me 8,000.00 to get it cleared up.
My son came to visit on Spring Break. He tells me very little about life with his mom and step dad and I don’t ask.
He did say: “Dad, my Mom really hates you”. My answer was that hatred hurts the hater much more than the hated. They don’t even know their being hated.
I don’t hate my ex and don’t give a s~~~ how she feels about dog poop. I’m probably doing better than her but she’s still using that anger to punish our child with child abuse called parental alienation syndrome. A new category in the DSM and literally called what it is, a form of child abuse.
Does that make me mad? Sure as hell does, mad as hell. For my son’s sake. Children are the true victims of divorce.
#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.
Smitty you’ve gone from, “Denouncing Fools” … to, ” I spent a long long time in my life where I was angry just like that, and I was f~~~ing miserable. If I can save another man from having to experience it I will.”
What, I can’t be foolish? Experience is the best teacher, and yet it’s best to not have to experience some things. I’d rather have had some help with my anger than spent the time in agony learning the hard way. Let me put it to you this way, if you’re doing something that will leave you in agony for a decade, or only a couple months which would you prefer?
I denounce people that would choose a decade, even though I was one of those people.
Life is too long to play by someone elses rules....
I understand what you’re saying OP but it’s hard not to stay angry when you grow up “loving” or “respecting” women and being taught this nonsense in school and everywhere else then have tons of relationships with women fail all of a sudden or not even able to enter relationships with women because your’re not tall enough or too short (I’m 5’3) and receive all kinds of shame because you don’t want anything to do with marriage while at the same time being told “men ain’t s~~~”.
I found MGTOW about five months ago and been browsing here for about 2 months but I think the red pill is just now kicking in, I’m in the angry phase right now or more specifically; “red pill rage”, I’m angry, I’m hurt, I’m bitter and I’m confused. It’s hard for some of us to digest all of this info and truths and I really do hope this anger and anybody else’s anger doesn’t last forever but with the way things are going, THEY’RE going to be the ones angry in the end. (women)
I don’t hate my ex and don’t give a s~~~ how she feels about dog poop. I’m probably doing better than her but she’s still using that anger to punish our child with child abuse called parental alienation syndrome. A new category in the DSM and literally called what it is, a form of child abuse. Does that make me mad? Sure as hell does, mad as hell. For my son’s sake. Children are the true victims of divorce.
YES! YES! YES! times 1,000!
Please keep in mind that some of us are fathers and have to contend with years of abuse and mental anguish by proxy via our children. I honestly can’t think of anything more painful under the circumstances of divorce. It’s like a divorce that can drag out for up to 18+ years. I think a majority of the time that fathers actually love their children way more than a mother does. Women will gladly use children as pawns (objects) without a second thought. It hurts so bad to sit by completely powerless and have to witness this s~~~. It definitely inspires a brand of rage that is akin to a coal fire…there’s no way to extinguish that kind of fire. Be thankful if you haven’t had to experience this. It’s a fate worse than hell I assure you.
Ultimately I think what member “experienced” said is so incredibly true. I had forgotten about that biblical quote. I would pray that we are all here to help sharpen one another as men. There will be all kinds here in different stages with different circumstances. I am the last one to mandate that anyone HAS TO do anything as a MGTOW, but hopefully the laughs and the anger here will help educate some of the less experienced. Perhaps they will take away something important by observing the battlefield casualties. I don’t advocate a victim mentality. No sir! Take accountability for all that has happened within your span of control. Learn from it and make wiser choices moving forward. Don’t put yourself in a vulnerable position. Be responsible and deal with things as best as you can. If I could distill one (among a few) central tenant of MGTOW down to a simple statement it would be, “Iron sharpens iron”. Thanks for reminding me “experienced”. That helps me a lot.
As for Smitty, well I believe he is a good guy. From what I’ve seen he’s been a good contributor to the forums. He’s a brother here and as with any brothers, we will occasionally quarrel. Sometimes ideas just don’t come out on paper as well as they sound in our head. I don’t know. Only Smitty knows exactly what he was trying to articulate. I’ll certainly give him the benefit of the doubt with no reservations or judgment….not that he needs my defense or understanding by any means. He is his own man and can speak for himself no doubt.
HISTORY...learn from it, memorize it, DON'T repeat it...To Smitty, What I was trying to communicate was that during the timeframe of this post, you’ve gone from denouncement to instruction, i.e. from being an evaluator to being a teacher of sorts. The best evaluators instruct. Anyone can condemn, that’s authority. But instruction/teaching is a positive responsibility. IOW I meant no harm but attempted to cite a positive here.
"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."
oh I know, I’m not even mad. I just want to be clear. I understand where the anger comes form, and that is is part of learning. But there are guys that never get past the anger, THAT SHOULD BE DENOUNCED. It’s not healthy, and lends credence to our detractors. It’s ok to be angry as long as that’s not all you are.
I don’t always make sense, not even to myself, that’s why I have you guys as a way of figuring things out.
Life is too long to play by someone elses rules....
It’s ok to be angry as long as that’s not all you are.
I think deep down there will always be that angry feeling of injustice there, but like you say that’s not all any of us are. Perhaps when its new and fresh its more intense and noticeable, as time goes on, the anger gets covered by other things that life brings, but that anger is justifiable and will always burn deep down. Only a good dose of justice can put that fire out, and I can’t see that happening soon.
When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan
It has come to my attention that there are certain men that are using MGTOW and a way of venting their frustration and anger towards women, and that’s all they do. Now I know that these are actually key components in the cause of becoming MGTOW usually. I also know that staying angry and frustrated does not help. I think we should denounce these eternally butthurt guys because they are a detriment to themselves and what we stand for. At this point in my life, I’m not angry with women. I am extremely leery of women, but not angry. If we don’t “weed out” the non-hacking shirkers that want to wallow in misery and remain angry we are essentially no better than feminists. At the same time I want to help these angry souls, because they really need it. How can we help our brothers stuck chained to their pain and suffering while still keeping MGTOW on the right path and inclusive? I watch a TL;DR video and he absolutely shredded this poor fellow that is just raging against women. The young man is clearly angry and not using his logical where with all towards self improvement and living life on his own terms. I’m a griefer, I like f~~~ing with people because it’s funny. But guys like this will only make our cause look petty and small. How can we as MGTOW, stay righteous and yet true to ourselves. I’m not MGTOW because I hate women, because I am truly indifferent to 99.9% of women. I don’t want us to be defined by a negative, it will only cause us to evolve into something dark, and ugly.
That’s fine, but let men express their grievances that’s how we start to see the bright side of things, we all have something in common. But each men in here, grieve differently, it may take, a day, a week, a month, a year, or 5 years, each man will decide how nature should take its course.
First your angry
Second you heal
Third you learn
Finally, you live
I really believe MGTOW, won’t be just talking about women but other things, humorous things, fun things, interesting things, even friendships will be created off the Internet, etc.
My advise: Leave it be!
Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.
Anonymous1My advise: Leave it be!
Agreed
A new mgtow quote:
“Once you understand the brotherhood, you understand everything that comes with it.”
-bigboy83
Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.
I think deep down there will always be that angry feeling of injustice there,
Certainly so long as injustice keeps happening there will be. And should be. Anger is an entirely appropriate response to continuing injustice.
Seeking guidance for doing stuff in priority I found, “He that has no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.” The most difficult application seems always to be to oneself, “A man who does not control his temper is like a city whose wall is broken down.” To ‘pick and choose’ scripture’s target, parallels Bill Burr’s description of LAYDEEZ regarding feminism vs traditionalism as a salad bar of options, and is hypocritical. While there is a ton and a half for men to be justifiably mad about regarding true injustice, I’m slowly getting your point about not taking a decade to do so. Therefore, Thank You.
"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."
Anonymous0“emotions are a great servant but a horrible master”-coltaine
i think this sums it up boys
Batcave’s right, “a man can do nothing better than to eat and drink and find satisfaction in his work” King Solomon
"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."
I totally agree that there is a contingent of mgtow guys that are very angry and bitter towards women, however i would also bet they are mainly guys that are new to mgtow and redpill philosophy.
I myself think that it’s just a phase many guys go through when they are first awakened. Whether you stay in this phase is a personal choice, as bactcave and others have pointed out. The trick once you go through the “beginners” phase is to turn that negative energy into something positive by focusing on projects and hobbies that are close to your heart.
It’s my opinion that the future of mgtow is not only bright but will begin to thrive, especially with some excellent contributors on this forum and youtube guys giving their take on successful living the mgtow way.
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