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It has come to my attention that there are certain men that are using MGTOW and a way of venting their frustration and anger towards women, and that’s all they do. Now I know that these are actually key components in the cause of becoming MGTOW usually. I also know that staying angry and frustrated does not help. I think we should denounce these eternally butthurt guys because they are a detriment to themselves and what we stand for. At this point in my life, I’m not angry with women. I am extremely leery of women, but not angry. If we don’t “weed out” the non-hacking shirkers that want to wallow in misery and remain angry we are essentially no better than feminists.
At the same time I want to help these angry souls, because they really need it. How can we help our brothers stuck chained to their pain and suffering while still keeping MGTOW on the right path and inclusive? I watch a TL;DR video and he absolutely shredded this poor fellow that is just raging against women. The young man is clearly angry and not using his logical where with all towards self improvement and living life on his own terms.
I’m a griefer, I like f~~~ing with people because it’s funny. But guys like this will only make our cause look petty and small. How can we as MGTOW, stay righteous and yet true to ourselves. I’m not MGTOW because I hate women, because I am truly indifferent to 99.9% of women. I don’t want us to be defined by a negative, it will only cause us to evolve into something dark, and ugly.
Life is too long to play by someone elses rules....
<span style=”font-family: ‘Open Sans’, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 20px; background-color: #fbfbfb;”> I’m not MGTOW because I hate women, because I am truly indifferent to 99.9% of women. I don’t want us to be defined by a negative, it will only cause us to evolve into something dark, and ugly.</span>
I understand the sentiment of being indifferent. I too no longer feel that pull to just into the place of white knight. The second piece more or less completely describes feminism and what it has become in today’s world. We, as men, have to stand above the petty hate that we’ve all felt from time-to-time.
"Life is the future, not the past." Wizard's 7th rule, Terry Goodkind
Anonymous0I think we should just let them be angry, it is a high energy state that cannot be maintained. Sooner or later they will also become indifferent, they call it red pill rage for a reason, on first arriving at these truths it makes u angry and hateful, but as you learn more you realise that such emotion is wasted and pointless. Its much easier to be indifferent and men can only come to this conclusion themselves. You can show them the way but forcing them will only make them even more angry.
Anonymous1I am extremely leery of women, but not angry. If we don’t “weed out” the non-hacking shirkers that want to wallow in misery and remain angry we are essentially no better than feminists.
I disagree. Although I get where are you going for, letting these people “wallow in misery and remain angry” does not make us like the feminists. If you see something that you disagree with, and that bothers you, SAY something. People will join you or not based on your arguments. HOWEVER, don’t DENY the “right” that some of us have to chose to take this path. Yes, I also believe it is detrimental to one’s self to focus SOLELY on anger and resentment, and if I feel like it, I will point out, but I would not prevent those of us that are feeling anger to express such anger. Common sense still applies (Violence or any practice of sorts should NOT be condoned, and some guidelines established by the site should be followed ), but complains? Butthurt? Let them have it. MEN should be allowed to express their thoughts. Of course, they also should expect to hear criticism to such thoughts, but not CONDEMEND for feeling the way they feel.
Besides, each of us have different ways of dealing with such negatives feelings, and the period that those feelings endure also varies. It is up to each one of us examine our own behavior.
Feminists celebrates weakness and do so by conformity and seeking outside help (MEN) to do their work for them. MGTOWs shows strength by creating discussion and seeking solutions within ourselves. This comparison (MGTOWS=Feminists) is stupid at best. Don’t ask for others to do your work. If you think there are people here that need to be “weeded” out, go for it! Just remember that, like the ones that you intend to weed out, your arguments are subjective to scrutiny.
But guys like this will only make our cause look petty and small
To whom? To women? To “blue pillers”? Newsflash, our “cause” will look “petty” and “small” NO MATTER what we do. So trying to tone police people here for the sake of what others might think is useless and it only dilutes the meaning of this space. Let them think what they want, blue pillers, women or even the “butthurted” men that bothers you so much. MGTOWS are not here to persecuted “misogynists” in favor of women, specially because nowadays, “having a penis” is pretty much an act of misogyni. Defend what you must because that’s what you think is right for yourself, but DO NOT try to censor others because of what outsiders might think, neither try to make others do your biding for you. Because if you do, guess what? I will be here to call on your s~~~.
Cheers
I’m not against the expression of anger, I just don’t think we should DWELL there permanently. I understand the “red pill rage”, and got past it. I also understand that there are people that will never be happy with what we do. I am talking about doing it for our own sake. This isn’t about staying angry, it’s about living your life on your own terms, and self improvement. I’ve seen guys that enjoy being angry way too much, and that becomes all they are about. It becomes vengeful, and that is self destructive. Denouncing foolish behavior is not meant to cast out new MGTOW that are angry. It is meant to show them that it is not the entirety of what we are about, or even the main thing.
We all pass through these stages as we become more and more and more self-actualizing. I am open to suggestions to improve MGTOW because as we are relatively a new phenomenon there are no actual rules. I want no censorship, only understanding and progress towards the goal of self actualization, and life on your own terms.
Life is too long to play by someone elses rules....
Anonymous42I’m not MGTOW because I hate women, because I am truly indifferent to 99.9% of women.
Hey Smitty, I’m with you there 100%, I’m at 99.98% indifferent. I really like the female form, I was addicted to it, but not how feminism has remolded it. I dropped hatred, and picked up understanding instead. I accepted responsibility for alllll my actions, and suffer or enjoy the outcomes of my decisions, I’m a conscious person, I don’t hurt people, in turn, I don’t allow others to hurt me.
John the other has a video where he stated he didn’t like men shamming other men with derogatory labels like mangina, symp, and others. I tend to disagree, some guys need to realize the underfoot position their in, strong language and shocking reality is better than sugar coated cotton candy. They’re in a trance, on both sides of the isle, feminists and their orbiters, they feed on each other, and along comes Mr. “nice guy”, he’s ground up like hamburger, he hasn’t been down the road like we have, seen the things we have, learned the things we’ve learned, his pain is fresh, he’s still bleeding and wounded, but the guy that can’t get over it, and would rather harbor the hatred, he’s no better than any other warmonger. We’ve risen to a new level of understanding, they’re still down there, inhaling the noxious gasses of feminism. It’s war on men, not some ideological mandate of equity, it’s blatant inequity and injustice, on steroids!
The laws are designed to harness and plunder the value of men, at the same time granting women the right to commit these atrocities, then claim some sort of victory, celebrating divorce parties with their friends, it’s totally f~~~ed up at every facet of this society, we’re witnessing this society blowing it’s engine, it”ll be a fire ball slamming the wall……..The future’s best now, only if you go your own way. Otherwise it’s play Capt.”save-a-whore” remain in the dragster of feminism, and burn in the crash. I honestly believe with all my heart, and have for a long time, women no longer deserve men……
Anonymous1@Smitty: Yeah, well, anger is something complicated. I think I got what you want to do, and it is a noble sentiment if I understood correctly, but unfortunately, beside going case by case with counter-arguments, there is not much you/we can do. Hell, I still fall into the “anger/bitter” category from time to time, although what sets me off is injustice more the “women” themselves. The fact that being female somehow excuse them from the consequences of their actions that makes me suspicious of their gender.
So, what is the solution? I have no idea.
I don’t think there is a course of action that “fit us all”. And it doesn’t help that, despite all the evidence, the majority of people’s response to our complains is “man up” and/or “Nawalt”.
So, until something comes up, I would say that the only way out is through. We keep debating, and hopefully, TIME will heal the anger and transform it into something constructive. Other than that, I really don’t know what else to do.
Cheers.
You make a valid point that men should not have that (appropriate for a while) anger around forever. But I don’t know if there’s anything I/we can do to force them to give it up. Certainly different men have differing capacities for getting past the completely screwed up things that get done to them. And clearly some have been cheated much worse than others, but I can’t say whose anger is overdue for resolution, and whose is not.
I think maybe the most I could do as a man who didn’t endure as much unfairness and treachery as some others, and have been fortunate enough to move on from the anger to indifference, is to be an example to those that still have anger to work through, and demonstrate (passively) that there is a life beyond all that (appropriate, but temporary) anger.
As a slight aside, I did see an article not long ago that questioned wether anger was the only respected emotion remaining for men to express…all other emotions expressed by men being subject to ridicule and criticism. It’s an interesting observation, and possibly applicable here, that if anger’s the only emotion left for men to express and have respected, that a man who has it becomes secondarily incentivized to hang on to it a little longer…(?)
I haven’t had a ton of time to consider that observation since I first read it, but it does occur to me now that there seems to be a preponderance of assumption that men going their own way are automatically “p~~~ed off” men going their own way. This is not necessarily the case for a majority of mgtow, but it is certainly the majority of the assumption about the reasons why a man would choose mgtow.
Even the trolls who show up to this site uninvited arrive with this assumption of anger (and either try to bait it from us, or criticize us for it), though nothing in the title expresses anger. To me, the assumption of anger is an indirect acknowldgement that there is something to be angry about (mgtow MUST have been hurt somehow… as if there can be no other explanation).
I’ll reason that the scale of that assumption of anger is an acknowledgment of the scale of the reasons for it. Many assume anger resides here among men, and NONE seem surprised by it…
But whatever anger there is, is all there will ever be so long as a mgtow never agrees to sign another marriage contract, or father another child. That is the where the anger manufacturing process begins, and without it, the total amount of anger among mgtow will continue to decrease.
And when all that anger is gone, and has been replaced by indifference, the mgtow will still be here. But the reasons for the anger will be long gone. When these reasons (which are enormously valuable to women) are gone, along with the perks, benefits and assets that accompanied it… is when we will see some real anger, but it won’t be ours. 🙂
Based on this thread, maybe we should start another thread that could serve as that beacon of what lies beyond anger. If we titled it “What was lost (from being mgtow) and what was gained”, it could passively demonstrate to p~~~ed off men what lies beyond all that anger…
Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
Anonymous11Once your red pill powers fully assume control you’ll be surfin’ on waves of indifference. Chronic anger is not a healthy emotional state. I was amazed at how quickly anger dissipated against the vag who took my final f~~~ to give.
Red pill or die!!!
Anger in and of itself in the long run will hurt you, but if you can take that anger and use it in a constructive way, then I feel there is nothing wrong with it. Blind anger is bad, but if that anger gets you thinking of a way to rectify (in a nonviolent way) the situation that caused that anger it can be a good emotion.
Anger is a natural response for brothers who know they’re constantly getting the s~~~ end of the stick and can’t lift a finger to stop it.
Anger goes away eventually, but you can’t simply make someone stop being angry at the constant fraud and unwarranted bigotry they have to put up with in the real world.
Staying angry forever is not healthy. However, it is a stage of the grief process and the angry phase varies in time from one individual to the next. Then there are the occasional relapses (of which I am prone from time to time). Expression of anger can be very cathartic and therefore helpful to the overall healing process. People need to own their anger, get intimate with it, embrace it, then learn from it and hopefully be a better person.
And just as an additional thought…some of us do have kids and therefore some old wounds are picked open repeatedly. That’s a hard one to cope with I assure you. I am in this category myself.
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Anonymous42Anger in my definition, is lack of understanding, and ignorance combined with inpatients. We’re only angry when we don’t have a logical explanation for a perceived paradox. We’re perplexed and frustrated with misunderstanding. When logical explanations are shrouded in the delusional testimonies of illogical persons, logic cannot be overwritten by illogical statements, actions, and intentions of the delusional person. Once you grasp the concept, a higher level of understanding takes place, the paradox disintegrates, in its wake shines the truth, and beside it, separated from it, stands the lie.
Anger is a reasonable emotion in the face of the current state of things. It’s a double edged sword, used to hack off limiting blue pill beliefs, and a powerful motivator but can also destroy positive energy and progress when ill focused. I can’t blame a man for being angry, in fact I’m shocked more men aren’t angry. It’s about finding a solution and moving beyond anger, undoing decades of blue pill programming, coming to terms with the red pill, and moving on, well that’s not a two minute quick fix.
When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan
Anonymous1Anger is an emotion, and as such we shouldn’t deny it. Of course, we shouldn’t be ruled by it either, but if we strip ourselves from the right of feeling emotions, than we would have transformed into what women want us to be: meat automatons. Of course, anger, like any other emotion, shouldn’t rule our lives, but to go to the other extreme in totally DENY it as if was something ALIEN, in my opinion, can be as detrimental as.
I think my greatest source of anger is my frustration at not being able to change my desires, even though I recognize their futility. It’s like a mismatch between my desire to be a certain way, my realization that the environment is totally hostile, and the difficulty of changing myself to adapt. Sometimes its like why should I change, when its society that’s f~~~ed up?
When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan
Men have a lot to be angry about.
“Anger is a legitimate emotion in the face of injustice”.
You may find there are times when you will have to say that out loud.For example, remember that cop in Los Angeles who went on a shooting rampage after the system he defended turned on him? When the dust cleared and the smoke settles – and they are dead – these guys are written off as “insane” or ‘mentally unstable”. They are not. They are p~~~ed the f~~~ off.
Is he right or wrong is not really the issue. He believes he has been SO wronged that he stops caring.
One of the worst things you can do to a man is bring him to a point where he does’t care anymore.MGTOW are the peaceful side of that…. but what about the others who don’t understand it and don’t harness it?
It can get dangerous.What do people do when men get really angry? Blank stares. Nobody gives a f~~~. Some will even mock and laugh. A man will lose his s~~~ and people will just stare at him. Write him off as “overly emotional”… “temperamental” or “unstable”….. as if he totally unjustified. And they do it to him on purpose.
• “oh stop overreacting:”
• “suck it up”
• “you have issues….”But a man can have an “issue” with the smell of dog s~~~ too.
It doesn’t mean there is anything wrong with HIM.He has learned he should do this… and should do that…. and when he sticks to this code, someone else gets a raise or a promotion. He can be the ideal husband and will be treated like a second class citizen, s~~~ty husband and father. That s~~~ is not acceptable. And when he has determined that something is not acceptable, the rest of the world says “it is what it is”. Or “don’t get all worked up about it”. Or “Dude, you need to calm down”.
That s~~~ is extremely infuriating.
I saw Marilyn Manson in an interview once about the Columbine school shooting.
The interviewer asked “what would you have told the shooters?”.He said, “i wouldn’t have told them anything. I would have listened… which is something nobody did”.
Damn right. When men are p~~~ed, don’t toss them aside. Let them know someone is listening.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.F~~~in’ A KeyMaster…..f~~~in’…..a….
*Rises to feet and begins to clap slowly*
F~~~ING BRAV-O!
HISTORY...learn from it, memorize it, DON'T repeat it...How fortuitous that the thread is entitled “Denouncing Fools”.
It has come to my attention that there are certain men that are using MGTOW and a way of venting their frustration and anger towards women, and that’s all they do.
Which men, how are they doing so, and while how did you come to the conclusion that this is “all they do”? Cite proof.
Now I know that these are actually key components in the cause of becoming MGTOW usually.
Last I checked, “frustration” and “anger” are natural reactions to a demographic that generally acts against one’s interests.
I also know that staying angry and frustrated does not help.
Code Red – /shaming-tactics/
I think we should denounce these eternally butthurt guys because they are a detriment to themselves and what we stand for.
The only thing that needs denunciation here is your shaming language. May you cease and desist your foolishness forthwith.
At this point in my life, I’m not angry with women. I am extremely leery of women, but not angry.
Good for you.
If we don’t “weed out” the non-hacking shirkers that want to wallow in misery and remain angry we are essentially no better than feminists.
You are, in essence, calling for an inquisition over something as trivial as feelings you do not like.
At the same time I want to help these angry souls, because they really need it.
If it saves you from posting here, go help them.
How can we help our brothers stuck chained to their pain and suffering while still keeping MGTOW on the right path and inclusive?
We can help them by telling them to take anything you say with a generous pinch of salt.
I watch a TL;DR video and he absolutely shredded this poor fellow that is just raging against women. The young man is clearly angry and not using his logical where with all towards self improvement and living life on his own terms.
Okay, this is a start to the question asked. This is one man and one video that you have not linked to, you need at least two, and how do you know this is “all [he does]”?
I’m a griefer, I like f~~~ing with people because it’s funny.
I think you are doing so in the post to which I am replying.
But guys like this will only make our cause look petty and small.
I smell a concern troll.
How can we as MGTOW, stay righteous and yet true to ourselves.
Without defining one’s terms, that is useless rhetoric.
I’m not MGTOW because I hate women, because I am truly indifferent to 99.9% of women.
I have not so much as laid eyes upon 99,9% of women, so of course I am indifferent to them.
I don’t want us to be defined by a negative, it will only cause us to evolve into something dark, and ugly.
It is my observation that people who bandy about the terms “positive” and “negative” do so for purposes of creating a false dichotomy. Furthermore, both terms are utterly useless descriptors in that they are entirely based upon the writer’s own perceptions of what is desirable and undesirable.
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