Demon? Imagination?I don't know.

[ShiroeParticipant 139]

I thought you were trolling. Assuming you are actually serious, do you pray? Cause if you don’t then start doing it. That will take care of your problem. Aside from that, you said you don’t sleep well, lack of sleep can cause hallucinations, being dehydrated can cause hallucinations also, certain drugs can cause it. Those are all factors, but there are evil spirits also, demons that do exist.

No I do not pray as I said I stay away from those communities (religious).

When a man looks inside himself and accepts he is no one. When he accepts he is nothing. Only then can he ascend to greatness

[ShiroeParticipant 139]

Y_ wrote:

You say you have seen this thing 12 times. Was it the same thing all the 12 times? What were you doing or thinking just before seeing this thing?

At what intervals – I mean dates or how old you were each time. What does it look like – you said terrifying – how?

There are paranormal scientists or others who deal with this stuff – have you tried any?

To answer your first question it was the same thing as far as I can see and remember.
For your second question the last time it happened recently I was just thinking about getting some sleep because I have a lot of work related stress.
For your third question about intervals it seems random to me. not any actual patterns.
What it looks like is its straight white really tall and it stares at me.
The terrifying aspect I cant really describe. I just cant stop screaming.
There is really no way to describe the feeling. I guess the best way I can state it is take everything you are afraid of and multiply that by infinity.

When a man looks inside himself and accepts he is no one. When he accepts he is nothing. Only then can he ascend to greatness

[AutoliteParticipant]

Balthazar wrote:

but you really can’t rule out the fact that there very well can be extra dimensional, non physical beings of spirit that people might otherwise call demons or angels.

Yeah, we can actually. We’d be further ahead with our understanding of the world if everyone did just that…

[AutoliteParticipant]

Balthazar wrote:

if you’re unable to disprove, that may not make it proven but it certainly doesn’t make it unproven by default.

And there’s the rub. Nobody can prove the non-existence of things that don’t exist. The reason we cannot prove their non-existence is because they don’t actually exist.

I can’t prove the non-existence of ghosts or demons any more than you can prove the non-existence of the Easter Bunny or the Tooth Fairy.

By your rationale, we would be expected to afford credibility to a claim that Leprechauns might exist because we can’t prove that they don’t…

[BalthazarParticipant 722]

Autolite wrote:

Balthazar wrote:

but you really can’t rule out the fact that there very well can be extra dimensional, non physical beings of spirit that people might otherwise call demons or angels.

Yeah, we can actually. We’d be further ahead with our understanding of the world if everyone did just that…

once again i call b.s. explain to me how “Yeah, we can actually” rule out what i mentioned.

Autolite wrote:

Balthazar wrote:

if you’re unable to disprove, that may not make it proven but it certainly doesn’t make it unproven by default.

And there’s the rub. Nobody can prove the non-existence of things that don’t exist. The reason we cannot prove their non-existence is because they don’t actually exist.

I can’t prove the non-existence of ghosts or demons any more than you can prove the non-existence of the Easter Bunny or the Tooth Fairy.

By your rationale, we would be expected to afford credibility to a claim that Leprechauns might exist because we can’t prove that they don’t…

and again b.s., you try to devalue what i’m saying by using a seemingly outlandish example. so let me put it in different terms that you can’t refute.

our telescopes that look out into space only have a limited range. by your assertion, there must be nothing beyond that. is it really that hard to believe that there could be more in existence beyond our ability to perceive it?

here’s another analogy: before scientists had the ability to perceive quantum particles, they thought that sub-atomic particles were the lowest levels of organization. because we don’t have the ability to perceive more primary levels of physical organization beyond quantum particles now, does that mean that nothing exists that’s more primary than at the quantum level?

you can keep living in your box but don’t tell other people what is and what isn’t when you yourself are no authority to say so.

This body holding me is a reminder of my own mortality. Embrace this moment. Remember, we are eternal and all this pain is an illusion.

[AutoliteParticipant]

Balthazar wrote:

you can keep living in your box but don’t tell other people what is and what isn’t when you yourself are no authority to say so.

The bottom line is that you’re suggesting that there might be ‘demons’ when there is no credible reason for claiming that.

I think Shiroe has a handle on this with respect to his own particular issue but letting people think that there might be demons stalking them just f~~~s them up even more!

And that’s just wrong…

[BalthazarParticipant 722]

Autolite wrote:

Balthazar wrote:

you can keep living in your box but don’t tell other people what is and what isn’t when you yourself are no authority to say so.

The bottom line is that you’re suggesting that there might be ‘demons’ when there is no credible reason for claiming that.

I think Shiroe has a handle on this with respect to his own particular issue but letting people think that there might be demons stalking them just f~~~s them up even more!

And that’s just wrong…

if you would kindly take a look, my very first statement in this thread is that i agree with you in context of Shiroe’s particular situation.

This body holding me is a reminder of my own mortality. Embrace this moment. Remember, we are eternal and all this pain is an illusion.

[AutoliteParticipant]

Balthazar wrote:

if you would kindly take a look, my very first statement in this thread is that i agree with you in context of Shiroe’s particular situation.

Yes I saw that. However, you’re making the accusation that I’m being “too sceptical” and that I’m just looking for the “simple solution”.

Reference spirits or paranormal entities, you’re making the argument that they we can’t discount them entirely because we don’t know everything.

I agree that we do not ‘know everything’, but I’m saying that we now know enough to eliminate any possibility of supernatural causes…

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