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For you gents who also work in a corporate environment..
How do you go about deflecting personal/imposing questions from harpies? I just accepted a new position in HR, but don’t start until April 4th as I’ve agreed to help train the new person my current company decides to hire.
Coming from a staffing agency where everyone is too busy hitting quarterly goals to gossip, I’m not sure what to expect in this new woman dominated environment? How do I go about tactfully deflecting all personal questions asked of me without coming off as rude/confrontational? These harpies have no business knowing anything about how I spend my time outside of work, my personal relationships, hobbies, etc nor do I have any interest in their personal lives.
Marriage is the disease, divorce is the cure. MGTOW is the vaccine.
I’m lucky in that I work in an industry (Chemical) that is 80%+ male in the office, and 100%+ male on the plant floor. So the old colorful language of yesteryear is alive and well, though we do have to attend sexual Pinch Her in the Assment training annually. One guy was making sexual comments to another, and the first guy a few weeks ago said he was being sexually harassed (he was sort of joking to the other guy). I’m in a supervisory role, and I told the second guy saying he was being harassed ‘Don’t be a pussy’. I later followed up by explaining to the mechanics that to a man, being harassed didn’t mean words, but meant being punched, kicked, or otherwise injured. And I got in no trouble whatsoever… Part of the reason is that even with a women in HR, they’d have to fire all of our asses and any replacements are going to have similar attitudes in heavy industry. I probably won’t do this again because there is an anonymous call-in line. The colleague in the office next to mine is pretty much 100% MGTOW though I doubt he knows what it is called… After 3 divorces, he has a picture of his dog on his computer and says ‘The Dog will give me unconditional love.” and that he’s done with marriage.
I would just keep it light, jokingly say you like to keep to yourself, drink brewskies and watch ESPN. Or that you like to sit at home and read or play videogames. I kind of like that because they won’t ask you what videogames you play or what you like to read! I would NOT tell them you dislike relationships or distrust most women… Or tell them you had a breakup and aren’t ready for a marriage or relationship (marriage contract or relations~~~, but don’t say it like that).
My strategy:
Be vague, try to be boring and uninteresting (under the radar). The first contact you have with them, they will likely be sizing you up the way they size up any man: what does he have that we can take? You are not interesting, rich, mad, happy, funny, or sexy. Create the impression that they can’t benefit from you. You are a low value target with little or nothing to take… Show up. Do job. Avoid conversations involving anything outside of work. Go home.Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
I would treat them like they are worker drones. Even the supervisor. Not friends, not enemies, not living, not dead, just worker drones. If one asks you about yourself say “not much” to any question and you’ll be fine.
btw: Never forget your in the center of the pit of snakes. Any weakness or personal issue will be used against you and forever by everyone.
#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.
How do I go about tactfully deflecting all personal questions asked of me without coming off as rude/confrontational?
It’s very simple. “I don’t speak to women at work about anything other than work”.
The more she pushes….
“I don’t speak to women at work about anything other than work”.
“I don’t speak to women at work about anything other than work”.
“I don’t speak to women at work about anything other than work”.And they can’t nail you on it. Women have brought this upon themselves:
/forums/topic/showing-no-emotion-at-work/
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Interesting perspectives. Thanks for linking me to the previous thread on the topic KM.
I’ve been contemplating buying one of those pens that records for up to 8 hours straight and leaving it on while at work everyday. Good idea?
Gotta say fellas, daily doses of red-pill and reading so many of your guys’ stories of just how vicious and conniving women CAN be when it suits them has gotten me paranoid about this new work setting.
Marriage is the disease, divorce is the cure. MGTOW is the vaccine.
While I was teaching, I had to deal with some irritating female colleagues, all of whom despised me.
I was often diplomatic about personal questions and gave only enough information just to get them off my back.
On occasions I could be quite insulting, but I disguised it in high-falutin’ language–after all, I’m an educated man, so I should make use of it sometimes, right? (Shakespeare comes in handy for this. I have a book on Shakespearean insults and it has some prize material in it!) Considering how dim they all were, it wouldn’t have taken much to make them go away.
However, none of that mattered. Their opinion of me didn’t change in the least.
I worked in a large hospital and knew a lot of people there over the years. One story I have is one of the clerical workers was becoming disliked. She was of Eastern European decent and the place I worked was almost all Philippino. Management, almost all white of ethnic origin, was trying to fire her. They could only fire her for cause so they lied about her as her work was fine; they just didn’t like her but could only fire for cause as we were a union shop.
Her supervisor called her into the supervisor’s office to tell her they were going to lie in court and that she should drop the matter and quit.
She secretly recorded the encounter with a tape recorder in her pocket and recorded the supervisor threatening to lie.
In court the Judge would not listen to the tape as the supervisor did not know she was being taped.
At that point the Union Rep., who has to put these cases before this judge all the time so has a reputation to uphold, asked the judge if the rep could listen to the tape.
The judge agreed. So, the Union Rep leaves the room and listens to the tape and comes back into the courtroom, points to the supervisor and says to the supervisor in front of the judge: “You liar”.
The case was settled in favor of the employee.
Just goes to show that recorded evidence, even if technically illegal, can find its way into a courtroom. No recording means no evidence period.
So I would always record a disciplinary meeting with management. And their supposed to tell you ahead of time if a meeting is disciplinary.
#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.
Interesting perspectives. Thanks for linking me to the previous thread on the topic KM.
I’ve been contemplating buying one of those pens that records for up to 8 hours straight and leaving it on while at work everyday. Good idea?
Gotta say fellas, daily doses of red-pill and reading so many of your guys’ stories of just how vicious and conniving women CAN be when it suits them has gotten me paranoid about this new work setting.
In my previous workplace we won out against HR by catching the management and HR team out on their bulls~~~, we had tape-a-talk pro (like $5 on Google store for Android phones) installed on our phones, recorded everything, transcripted it and used it against them in a hearing after they tried to create bulls~~~ documentation and present it as evidence.
Can keep a phone on your desk just recording without anyone knowing.
They were all f~~~ing c~~~s, same deal as H.R above, they would pull you up randomly for meetings, spring them on you so you couldn’t organise union representation to be there which is one of your workplace rights.
iphones have a voice recorder app on them that can be downloaded from iTunes either free, or for a couple of bucks. It can be turned on and will record everything in the room until turned off, battery runs out or memory fills up. Those things take many hours. It can be turned on down the hall from a meeting, or in the elevator and record all the way through the meeting and back to the parking lot if necessary. If phone is clipped to belt (as they normally are), there is not outward sign that it is recording. When the recording is stopped, the app creates a sound file and automatically generates a title for it that consists of the date and time it was made. It can easily be copied, emailed as an attachment etc.
I have personally had the experience of having someone deny under oath, in court, that they had said something that they had said rather clearly in a recorded meeting not long prior. Lawyer pulled jump drive from pocket and put in laptop on table, turned up volume for the judge and played his statement back to him in his own voice and asked, “Does this help your recollection of what you said…?”.
Legal fees are never cheap, but that was priceless.
I have never since attended any kind of meeting of any significance with anyone where I didn’t have my phone recording. Not only is it useful for people who you don’t necessarily trust, its also very useful when someone you do trust is explaining something complex that you might like to listen to again in order to be sure you understood it clearly.
The legality and admissibility of recorded conversations varies from state to state, so research this. In my state, it’s legal to do and admissible in court if even one party to the conversation was aware of the recording. If it’s not legal in your state without the awareness and consent of both parties, I’d start the recorder in the parking lot, and when I got to the meeting, I’d pull out paper and pencil and ask if it was ok to make my own record of the meeting. Seeing the paper and pencil, the other party says “Yes” and that gets recorded… the voice recording is now admissible as both parties have consented. If the other party misunderstood what you meant, they can try to argue with the judge about what “yes” means, or what “record of the meeting” means…
One point to remember: when you turn on the recorder, put the phone in airplane mode so it can’t receive calls. If someone calls your number during the meeting, regardless of wether you answer, the recording stops.
Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
@ BP
I’d start the recorder in the parking lot, and when I got to the meeting, I’d pull out paper and pencil and ask if it was ok to make my own record of the meeting. Seeing the paper and pencil, the other party says “Yes” and that gets recorded… the voice recording is now admissible as both parties have consented. If the other party misunderstood what you meant, they can try to argue with the judge about what “yes” means, or what “record of the meeting” means…
That’s brilliant.
#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.
Sooner or later a default on i-phone will be 24/7 voice activated recording. Set/forget variable “loop” length. ProblemS solved. A two bladed device though, when a laydeez tries to bait you to a private area to finish a conversation…
"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."
I was literally just e-mailed earlier by my higher-up (a woman not much older than myself). It made me think again back on my topic about showing no emotion at work. Now, I know everyone’s pretty mixed on the whole “LGBTQRSTUV” thing, but hear me out. An “ally” is someone who must proudly show that they support the LGBT community by having a rainbow sticker on their door. Now, I honestly think the whole movement is ridiculous and overtly political, which is mostly why I choose not to get involved. Also, my religious convictions are another thing. I know most here aren’t religious as I am, but this admittedly gets me worried.
Here is the e-mail. The first two are between her and the leader of this “gay allies” group.
Her: Hi, I got your name from one of our faculty members. I was wondering if you could share a schedule for your ally training sessions. I’m the coordinator for the Advising office, and I’d like to participate but also give our advising staff the opportunity to participate if they’re interested in doing so.
Him: Hello, Our last scheduled safe zone training was last week, however I do offer special sessions to groups between 5-20 people. If you have at least 5 people interested we can schedule a training just with your group. [He actually addresses her as “Mx.” in the message instead of “Mrs.”, which I’ve seen is a huge Tumblr thing where they refuse to accept that men are “Mr./He/Him/His” and women are “Ms./Miss/Mrs./She/Her/Hers”)
Her to us in the office: Hi guys, I just learned that [the university] offers a workshop for safe zone training for those who want to identify themselves as a “safe person” to talk to for those who identify within the LGBTQ (lesbian/gay/bisexual/transgender/questioning) community. Once you complete the <b>3 hour workshop</b>, you get a sticker that you can display on your door so students can see it. They don’t have any more scheduled training sessions this spring, but can do special sessions if they have between 5-30 people interested. Would anyone else be interested in participating? No pressure and feel free to reply back to just me if you’d like, but wanted to put it out there in case there was anyone else who might be interested and didn’t know we offered this opportunity. If we don’t get enough people, they’ll offer sessions in the fall as well.
[End e-mail]
Is anyone else seeing WHY I find this unnecessary and it seems to be some emotional PUSH to make us do something? I think one of our workers is probably gay, and I’m completely fine with working with him. Being one of the few men there, he’s actually probably one of my favorite co-workers to work with! That being said, why do I need to attend some WORKSHOP training on “how to be an ally to gay people?” I can get a LOT of work done in that 3 hour time period! I haven’t responded to the e-mail, but I know they can’t attend if 5 people don’t say they’re going…there are 7 of us in the office total, and 2 have so far said they’re going. Knowing my other workers, they’re going to agree to go to it (all but one are women, the other a man who I think has the same opinion as myself in this).
It bothers me because it seems unprofessional. Why are we needing to become the student’s personal psychologists if they deem us fit to be? My job description doesn’t even call for that! I know it may seem ridiculous to some on here, but I worry my JOB will be at stake here. Having not responded or agreed to go to this e-mail, I’m wondering if I’d turn out like those Christian companies that have been shut down by people because they have a different opinion or are “discriminatory.”
Just putting this out there on this thread because it does, in fact, have to do with dealing with workplace harpies who (what it feels like) pry in on my personal life by testing me to see if I’m “one of them.” I just want to get my work done, and get through the day. THAT’S ALL. I don’t want to attend these little events that make us do whatever makes the wommenz happy.
Megachris:
It’s all about creating a “safe learning environment”, or some such nonsense. I had to deal with that malarkey a lot while I was teaching.
Anonymous42@Megachris, email her back, tell her you know gays (like in here) and tell her you’re antiquated with the gay community, and understand them better than most (and you do, in MGTOW there’s no BS flaming attention whores) politely tell her you’re much to busy, and it would be redundant and taxing for you to attend…..
HR =Human remains
Anonymous11I don’t know how old you are but the Sgt. Schultz character from the late 60s US TV series Hogan’s Heroes is a good model to follow.
“I know nothing, nothing!” was always his answer to any question as he was always caught in the middle between the Allied prisoners and the German POW camp he served.
Anything you say can and will be used against you so just like dealing with the police the less you say the better. Except you would have more rights in a court of law that you would with a gaggle of HR c~~~s. In business it’s a general rule that the less you say the better off you will be as politics rule. Best of luck in your endeavor.
@BP: My state requires dual party consent, but your workaround is deviously ingenious. It’s permanently engraved in my skull. Thx!
That was brilliant Brainpilot, have often thought of using my phone to record meetings, when in one, knowing it can work so well, is awesome, although can bite one’s ass too, if caught doing it, I suppose.
My take on this topic, is probably straight opposite, of what others may have said, I play the funny guy, until serious, and love being the Joker. It seems to be like a free passive deflection forcefield, and often also a free dick card, when used sparingly.
Then again, HR harpies are like a red alert flag for me, you literally need a political correctness meter with your, or install a joke receiver on them, before they are able to grasp humour. But hopefully mostly only few of those, so consider them like some stealth breaking foe, or something.
I like keeping to myself in private, but am very much the extrovert, at events, at work, and at meetings, because it has always given me the luxury to doodle away, while pretending to pay attention.
Create a mask that suits you, and make it comfortable to wear.
@ BP
I’d start the recorder in the parking lot, and when I got to the meeting, I’d pull out paper and pencil and ask if it was ok to make my own record of the meeting. Seeing the paper and pencil, the other party says “Yes” and that gets recorded… the voice recording is now admissible as both parties have consented. If the other party misunderstood what you meant, they can try to argue with the judge about what “yes” means, or what “record of the meeting” means…
Simply brilliant. Will use it from now on.
We should put it in the quotes section too.If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.HR = Honor Rapists
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