Decision of going MGTOW saved me six figures

[Anonymous 3]

Hi guys,

We are always talking about how much resources that false happiness of “love” had cost us along the years, but all numbers are never collected up at one place. That’s why try to collect them up, to show it to all the lurkers.

Spoiler: It is in the six figures range in US dollars, and I’m in a relatively poor country compared to US. If you add up all what I did, maybe you are already millionaires in this matter. It costs that much worth of resources, even if “it works out” “well” (but it won’t)

I made a quick calculation on how much the traditional love-relationship-marriage-children-divorce life trajectory costs (even if it “works” for someone) in terms of money and lost free time counted by hourly wages. Numbers and laws calculated are from Eastern Europe middle class, today’s USD/HUF rate is 259.25. I took averages from local statistics. I assume also the girl working, stay at home wifes are not typical here, most people are too poor to afford that even if anyone wanted it.
US numbers for you guys on the other side of planet are different for sure, but equally easy to add up.

Monthly wages (after tax) here $745 on average, minimal wage for uneducated jobs is $327 for 40 hours per week. I calculate lost free time too, for average people by that average wage for each hour, but it’s in reality worth more, since one has only one life. Mine is higher than that, but I’ve learned a lot to get it, unwilling to publish my details, and not everyone is able to do that. Anyway, time is money and free time is even more expensive than money.

Living costs as single or MGTOW guy here: $460 monthly typically for me, including rent of an 1 room flat. That means, a MGTOW guy can be really okay even in that poor place if he has average job. He probably can afford some expensive stuff or to invest money.

Let’s then calculate how much it costs if a single guy goes onto the trad-con life trajectory of creating a family.

1. Courtship or dating or whatever:
-paying for the internet dating ads, or party-tickets, or whatever: a few dollars a month
-wine and dine dates, movie theater dates or going to party, or whatever: $20 .. 50 a month if cheap places. I never brought girls to expensive places.
-Cost of time spent on girl $37 .. $56 a month (guessing two hours plus another two hours preparation and miscellaneous stuff to do and 2-3 dates, average wages)
(1)Total: Can be $100 a month or so, $600 if someone is doing that for half a year.

2. First part of the relationship “just banging” (taking my last 3 years long one as example)
-meet-ups with girl, 3 times a week and once at weekend, spending circa $50 a month on that, time circa 60 hours of free time lost, worth $280 at mean wages.
-Psychical suffering and stress when girl is in bad mood, reducing productivity at work: It is a fact, that my average-like wage increased by $380 after breakup. Multiplying that to 3 years means other $13,680 not being earned.
(2) total for 3 years: =36*(50+280+380)=$25,560. (That is, if I worked my ass off all the time with being as productive and calm as now, instead of dating, and had not spent that money, I could almost afford buying a flat just a little smaller than the one I’m renting now)

[Anonymous 3]

3. Okay, let’s say what if I couldn’t say no to that girl and we move in together.
–Still earning less by $380 a month due to the stress…
-rent a bigger 2 room flat, and split the price, I’d spare $50. (the only spared sum at all in the whole story…)
–Spend I guess $500 to fancy stuff for decorations and moving in and stuff (the flat has its furniture etc)
–Totally losing all free time: add one more the average $745 wage to the loss.
–Spending on stuff I would not spend on by myself, like fancy travels (even if within the country, it’s a nice place) and parties or gatherings and so on: $80 on average per month I guess.
(3)Total expected loss of time and money for this 3 years: 500+36*(380-50+745+80)=$42,080
Alternative costs: $15 more on mobile data for waching Pornhub. And a $150 cheap sex doll for now. $ 30 more spending on booze each month. Total 200+36*(15+30)=$1820 (true this is what I did instead, although it is not 3 years yet.)

4. Let’s pretend I’m completely idiot, and marry that girl after all of that, how much more loss of resources does it involve?
-Marriage ceremony and “just married” honeymoon travel: anywhere between $800 to $3800
-Buying our own flat on a mortgage (not making family in a rented home), paying back a lot more over the long years,turning the interest onto the interest principle against us. She earned significantly less than me, around the minimum in a boring job. But okay not everyone is like that, let’s calculate by splitting the bill and the ownership and hope everything is fine. (Not likely to happen but I’m calculating an idealistic case.) I checked the current local mortgage rates. And two-three room flats in my area ,with mortgage costs and interests altogether would cost circa $70k to $115k, while a one-room one (without taking any mortgage) costs circa $31k. That numbers mean, even if we would buy the cheaper flat and split the bill, I’d be slightly better off alone and without the mortgage. In worse cases, I’d need to pay at least half of the more expensive home, circa $27.5k more than alone.
–Of course we’d need to buy a family car. (I don’t have and need one now, ride bicycle, workplace or anything in the city is not more far away than half an hour ride) Car payments here are expensive. If I guess a second hand but good car (to avoid amortization costs) and add up all the insurance and parts and taxes and all the bulls~~~, and guess to split the bill with the wife (not likely to happen but guess that) I’d still spend $116 more on an average each month, or $25k more over 18 years.

-still, Loss of the free time and earning less due to stress: the same $745+ $380 told above, that’s a huge sum of $243k worth of stress and lost time.

– Let’s hope the wife only spends from her own money, but that one also is not likely to happen

(4) total is circa $269k … $300keven if I’m calculating with a lot of wishful thinking. Otherwise it would be in half a million dollars range maybe.

5. Upbringing of a child at minimum level costs at least circa extra costs $150 a month but due to some tax reductions for families here, only circa +$30 per month per parent needed, that’s another $6.5k over 18 years just for feeding and cheap clothing of the child.(for the poor people that’s the very minimum) Plus all the more expensive stuff like sport classes, hobbies of kid(s), language classes, some phone and computer every few years, travel and living costs for middle and highschool if kid goes to another city to learn, university is only free for the best students here but books and other stuff is still expensive, and so on. And hopefully to buy some housing for the child too if one can afford it. That can total up to $60k or more per kid, that’s what some local stats say.

6. Divorce: I will lose half of that wealth which got collected up during the time of marriage. Does not matter who paid for it, or who earned more, any wealth acquired by any means is considered to be common wealth of the couple.(except inheritance from our parents for example) That’s it if I happened to buy some cool gadget, or realize profit on some investments, half of it belongs to the other person even if she did nothing for it. At least the wealth that existed before marriage is treated separately here, and alimony is very rare and limited here. One does not go to jail for not being able to pay child support, but they force his employer to subtract it from the wages then (and let him starve), or sale his stuff on auction to pay it, and so on.

To sum up: Going MGTOW saved me six figures worth of money and free time, that I don’t have to spend.

[FunInTheSunParticipant 8283]

Not many women would settle for an $800 wedding over here. I’d rather buy a guitar.

"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)

[StealthParticipant 5341]

Good calculations. I like that these figures are modest and realistic. Dating women is a distraction. If you put that time and energy into something more permanent, you could, as you say, have bought another flat to rent out and retire early.

"Once you’ve taken care of the basics, there’s very little in this world for which your life is worth deferring." -David Hansson. "It’s not when women are mean or nasty that anything is out of the ordinary. It’s when they are NICE to you that you have to be on high alert..." -Jackinov.

[AttonParticipant]

Sounds like you extended your life span quite a bit.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[Gravel PitParticipant]

F~~~ Relations~~~s! Women are so pathetic, what a gigantic waste of time and money. I swear that most men must be masochists to continually chase pussy and marriage. They’re like the priest hitting himself with a whip, like the jaywalker who keeps getting hit by cars but continues to jaywalk.

After we’ve been in MGTOW awhile, the knowledge crystalizes, you self actualize and have long ago accepted and became content with how women are. Its no longer a sore spot or a curiosity. Its just a bad joke, you ust shake your head at the morons who still pussy beg. And the delusional virtue they find in it LMAO! ….and the damn lies they tell themselves to justify the pure misery and s~~~ they put themselves into.

LOL. Ofcourse, you will save fortunes not engaging with women. But you will also save MIND and that is valuable. Your time is valuable. Remember what Messenger Rising said, we don’t need a f~~~ing cuddle from women. If you feel alone, make friends with yourself so you will always have a friend. Make friends with other men. Forget about women and all their tricks.

I iced them all out. I don’t take orders from them. I don’t need them or talk to them. They sure as s~~~ don’t come to my house. I don’t need sex. I know I sound bitter LOL, but seriously, I feel happy and relaxed in my daily life. Now I was never a big ladies man, hardly ever had many relationships and certainly no LTR’s but I remember what a relations~~~ was like and it wasn’t happy and relaxed. It was constant fear and anxiety…f~~~ that.

[Anonymous 3]

Gravel Pit wrote:

LOL. Ofcourse, you will save fortunes not engaging with women. But you will also save MIND and that is valuable. Your time is valuable.

Yes, a significant part of the calculated sum is by adding one more “typical wage” to express the value of more free time and less stress. Of course, this is just a rough approximation to put some numbers of dollars on something that has no price tag.

Other part is real “do not need to pay”, saving actual money.

Stealth wrote:

I like that these figures are modest and realistic.

Thanks.

[Anonymous 3]

Just to add, a more recent topic about this:

How much can you save by going MGTOW?

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Gravel Pit wrote:

They sure as s~~~ don’t come to my house. I don’t need sex. I know I sound bitter LOL, but seriously, I feel happy and relaxed in my daily life.

You’d just sound bitter to a blue pill moron trying to justify his own stupidity, or a woman looking for a wallet…to the rest of us you sound normal lol.

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Hello Peter,

I love your scientific realism!

Great calculations and guaranteed hamster wheel trigger.

And you haven’t even factored in losing ALL of your assets to divorce lawyers and court fees when the c~~~ gets ‘gina tingles for the “tatted up guy at the bar” and divorce rapes you with an extensive court battle.

Playing with c~~~s is your sure demise.

Anonymous wrote:

-Psychical suffering and stress when girl is in bad mood, reducing productivity at work: It is a fact, that my average-like wage increased by $380 after breakup. Multiplying that to 3 years means other $13,680 not being earned.

After the ring is on, she will ALWAYS be in a bad mood.

Anonymous wrote:

Alternative costs: $15 more on mobile data for waching Pornhub. And a $150 cheap sex doll for now. $ 30 more spending on booze each month.

Really?

Married men spend a large portion of their income on booze just to endure the the ever nagging c~~~.

30 Bucks – yes on one day…

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[GargamelSpectator 29101]

You forgot cat food and cat litter for her hoard of cats.

And the medical costs for your increased illness rate due to the stink in the house.

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

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