China Uncensored: A Real Dystopian Nightmare

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FrankOne wrote:

It is peculiar to associate Bertrand Russell with cultural marxism; he did after all write the pamphlet ‘Why I am not a communist’.

…Because he was a member of “The Fabian Society” and he worked to change the culture. He writes about how they will change the culture in his numerous books. Communism was supposed to be a Scientifically managed system, which is what this is really all about. A Scientific Elite managing society. These groups all have that goal in mind although they employ various methods to accomplish this. Sometimes the methods appear to work against each other, but we slowly move closer and closer towards the end goal.

Russell had a problem with Communism because it didn’t go far enough. It was a failure in his mind.

Compare this except form Russell with the video I posted from Huxley about the Ultimate Revolution. You can see the similarities.

“The Impact of Science on Society” Chapter 3.

It is to be expected that advances in physiology and psychology will give governments much more control over individual mentality than they now have even in totalitarian countries. Fichte laid it down that education should aim at destroying free will, so that, after pupils have left school, they shall be incapable, throughout the rest of their lives, of thinking or acting otherwise than as their schoolmasters would have wished. But in his day this was an unattainable ideal: what he regarded as the best system in existence produced Karl Marx. In future such failures are not likely to occur where there is dictatorship. Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible. Even if all are miserable, all will believe themselves happy, because the government will tell them that they are so.
A totalitarian government with a scientific bent might do things that to us would seem horrifying. The Nazis were more scientific than the present rulers of Russia, and were more inclined towards the sort of atrocities that I have in mind.

[MonkParticipant 16984]

Anonymous wrote:

Yes, but Frank I believe it is possible to work for “Cultural Marxism” while supposedly fighting against Communism. That is part of the deception.

Yes.

Doublethink is a key part of the technique. Orwell placed great emphasis on this for a reason.

The system is constructed of pyramids within pyramids. Some are aware of the existence of other pyramids, some not. Some may be in opposition to each other, yet all build toward the whole.

[MonkParticipant 16984]

FrankOne wrote:

It is peculiar to associate Bertrand Russell with cultural marxism; he did after all write the pamphlet ‘Why I am not a communist’.

‘No-one in their right mind would vote Communist. What we will do is establish soft labour and socialist parties. When they get into power, we will ram Communism down their throats’. Lenin.

Different tentacles of the octopus.

Regarding the ‘sealed train’, Lenin got off several times, even staying overnight, so it was not ‘sealed’. That said, the Germans gave him financial and logistical support, AND safe passage to Russia to destabilize it. This was a German strategy not about ideology, but about weakening an enemy. Germany also supported Trotsky, after all.

Trotsky and others were allowed passage through Canada (they were detained briefly by the local authorities, but released on orders from London), even though their stated objective was to take Russia out of the war.

Now, why would the BRITISH allow that, given that that would free up large numbers of German troops for the Western front?

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Sandals:

Try to address the points made.

‘Progressives’ are not ‘communists’ as you indicate; they are advocates of a social welfare State — socialists at the extreme end. This isn’t me; it’s the way the political spectrum is defined.

When you’re confronted with facts about science, chemtrails, and air pollution, you just ignore them.

Faust, Beer… anonymousyam is a paid government agent. I figured that out several years ago. Their responses are designed to waste your time chasing things and going in different directions, making you always “proove it”, and never actually saying anything real themselves or following one line of argument to the end.

Do not respond to him. Ever.

Sandals, you got me. I’m also an agent. But I’m just going to come out with it. I even changed my screen icon accordingly.

Why not engage in a debate of ideas, instead of the name-calling? I don’t agree with anonymousyam either, but I’m not calling him a ‘government agent’. Do you really believe that?

When you disagree with data, you just question the source. The heat map or murder rates in the US was a good example of that.

Wizard’s Pupil: ‘Why I am not a Communist‘, by Russell, is very short. http://www.rjgeib.com/thoughts/opiate/why.html

The quote you posted was NOT advocacy by Russell of extreme governmental control, it was merely speculating about the future — NOT endorsing such control. Quoting only a single paragraph of this link,

I have always disagreed with Marx. My first hostile criticism of him was published in 1896. But my objections to modern Communism go deeper than my objections to Marx. It is the abandonment of democracy that I find particularly disastrous. A minority resting its powers upon the activities of secret police is bound to be cruel, oppressive and obscuarantist. The dangers of the irresponsible power cane to be generally recognized during the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, but those who have forgotten all that was painfully learnt during the days of absolute monarchy, and have gone back to what was worst in the middle ages under the curious delusion that they were in the vanguard of progress.

Now, Bertrand Russell WAS very much a SOCIALIST. But NOT a communist. I’m not an advocate of socialism OR communism. The Fabian Society is and was, a DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST organization.

And I most certainly agree, MANY groups coordinate their efforts to move the country in a certain political direction. This is not just unique to the left, though.

‘No-one in their right mind would vote Communist. What we will do is establish soft labour and socialist parties. When they get into power, we will ram Communism down their throats’. Lenin.

Not a quote from Lenin. Attribution?

This is consistent with Marxist theory of going from socialism to communism — albeit a theory that hasn’t come to pass in any of the large social democracies of Western Europe.

[Anonymous 1]

FrankOne wrote:

Wizard’s Pupil: ‘Why I am not a Communist‘, by Russell, is very short.

Yes, I know Frank I have read it. That was written decades after the fact Russell like many of his peers supported the Soviet Union and had great hopes for “The Communist Experiment.” After the horror show of Stalin every sensible person vehemently denounced him. The Fabians believed in different methods more “humane” methods, but they were early supporters of the Soviets.

FrankOne wrote:

The quote you posted was NOT advocacy by Russell of extreme governmental control, it was merely speculating about the future — NOT endorsing such control. Quoting only a single paragraph of this link,

Really, now that is naive. I have read too many books by these elites about their “speculations” for the future. Dreams of technological control and a benevolent Scientific Elite (that they themselves are a part of) controlling the perfect Democracy using all the latest techniques of Psychology, Chemistry, Biology and now Electronics. You know their speculations always seem to come true. Its all just a happy accident I suppose.

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FrankOne wrote:

Sandals, you got me. I’m also an agent. But I’m just going to come out with it. I even changed my screen icon accordingly.

You really are a nut job.

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Yes, I know Frank I have read it. That was written decades after the fact Russell like many of his peers supported the Soviet Union and had great hopes for “The Communist Experiment.” After the horror show of Stalin every sensible person vehemently denounced him. The Fabians believed in different methods more “humane” methods, but they were early supporters of the Soviets.

Wizard’s Pupil: ‘Why I am not a Communist’ was written in 1956. ‘The Practice and Theory of Bolshevism’, was written in 1920, right after Russell’s visit to the Soviet Union. http://www.gutenberg.org/files/17350/17350-h/17350-h.htm

In 1920, his disagreement was with ONLY the methods of the Third Internationale, and with the religious ‘dogma’ of the Bolsheviks, amongst other criticisms.

However, he DID support the communist experiment in 1920, though not the Bolshevik implementation. So you are correct, his views shifted — by the 1940’s and Stalin, he was anti-communist.

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FrankOne wrote:

Now, Bertrand Russell WAS very much a SOCIALIST. But NOT a communist. I’m not an advocate of socialism OR communism. The Fabian Society is and was, a DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST organization.

Word jugglery.

Socialism is communism. Different label, softer image, that’s all. I’ve lived under an out-and-out socialist government and there was no difference whatsoever in the end goals.

Not a quote from Lenin.

How would you know?

As it happens it’s from a letter written by Lenin whilst he was in exile in Switzerland.

This is consistent with Marxist theory of going from socialism to communism — albeit a theory that hasn’t come to pass in any of the large social democracies of Western Europe.

There are no democracies in Europe.

Take a closer look at how the EU functions – an unelected oligarchy ruling by dictat.

[FrankOneParticipant 1417]

Word jugglery.

Socialism is communism. Different label, softer image, that’s all. I’ve lived under an out-and-out socialist government and there was no difference whatsoever in the end goals.

Political systems are on a spectrum. Let’s take laissez-faire capitalism at one end. The US, where I reside, is considerably LEFT of this, with our regulatory welfare state, public education, mandated retirement system (social security), and other controls. Moving slightly further left on the spectrum, you have the UK, with even more intervention (e.g. National Health Service). Then as you move even further left you have nations such as France.

In communism, there is no private property, you contribute according to your abilities, and receive benefits according to your needs. In socialism, workers are still compensated by their contribution to society.

There are no democracies in Europe.

I would argue you have democracy, moderate civil freedom, and low levels of economic freedom in Europe.

Also, I was not defending Lenin; he was very, very, evil, I had just never seen that quote. He increased the Cheka (secret police) to ten times what it was in the Czarist regime, “In principle, we have never renounced terror, and we cannot renounce it. We’ll ask the man, where do you stand on the question of the revolution? Are you for it or against it? And if he’s against it, we’ll stand him up against a wall.” – V. Lenin

The ‘ramming down the throat’, just seems inconsistent with the language of the Age, but certainly not with Lenin himself!

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