Male Celibacy Support

[FermatParticipant 3478]

Edog wrote:

Fermat271 wrote:

@ʞɔnuɐƆʎzɐɹƆ Wow 15 years. Prayer, meditation, and fasting, spiritual actions to gain enlightenment and sexual self discipline. I’m sold.

Been since I was in my early 20’s for me, and I’m 35, so maybe 13 or so years. I’ve had tons of opportunities along the way and even recently have had several straight up offers for sex in plain terms. I find females are attracted to me BECAUSE I go my own way. They can’t figure out why I’m not enticed and why I don’t shower them with compliments, and in turn, they begin to try and get it out of me just to see if they can. Of course I know it’s all a game, which means I have the advantage. I’m not deluded. I think you’re seeing some of the same things I was seeing at your age Fermat. You’re already sensing that your spiritual recognition is going to be at major odds with your physical wants. Females are a major challenge. For me, once I came to know Christ, I just found myself withdrawing from society altogether. So for me it sort of became all encompassing. Not just women, but society. I became totally introverted and stopped relying on outside support and started focusing on following God in the spirit. I guess it’s why I can identify with John the Baptist. He left society and went off into the wilderness to get away from the sinful nature of people, lest he be tempted himself. That’s why I go to work, and then I come home. That’s it aside from grocery shopping. I do what is necessary, and then get out of peoples way. When I’m in society, I’m an observer, not a partaker. I go my own way. I see what most of them don’t, and yet to me, it’s quite obvious.

I am in absolute agreement with you @edog on all your points. I have known Christ and have been a Christian since an early age and have always wanted to live a life of self discipline not only for myself but for God. I know I don’t need to be a monk or priest to achieve this, but in today’s hypersexualized society, I cannot help but wonder what hidden vault of enlightenment and knowledge I would have access to if I simply avoid sex altogether. Surely that is an area in a man’s life where he can display the greatest amount of strength where normally he would be very weak in. Yes sex does conflict with religious views since marriage is off the table for me and these are views I cannot explain to many people in my life. This a path I am serious abut pursuing and all support is greatly welcome. Thank you @pascal @edog @zone @sidecar @ironv @keymaster for your responses.

I have discovered a truly remarkable list of reasons why women are not necessary for a happy life, but alas this margin is too small to contain it.

[EdogParticipant 254]

Fermat wrote:

I know I don’t need to be a monk or priest to achieve this, but in today’s hypersexualized society, I cannot help but wonder what hidden vault of enlightenment and knowledge I would have access to if I simply avoid sex altogether. Surely that is an area in a man’s life where he can display the greatest amount of strength where normally he would be very weak in.

Obviously you don’t need to be a monk or a priest. If your reasons are personal between you and God, and Jesus Christ is the one between you, then that is all you need to rely on. As Jesus said on the topic, for him who is able to receive it, let him receive it.

For me, I never made a conscious vow as you have. It just happened as a result of my awakenings at a younger age. When all my friends were getting married and having kids, at the same time, I was already starting to go my own way. I just bailed on the dating scene altogether so I never ended up dealing with marriage and kids.

1 Corinthians 7:<span class=”reftext”><b>32</b></span>But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord: <span class=”reftext”><b>33</b></span>But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife. <span class=”reftext”><b>34</b></span>There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband. <span class=”reftext”><b>35</b></span>And this I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is comely, and that ye may attend upon the Lord without distraction.

What Paul is getting at here, is that a married man’s attentions will be more divided among worldly needs, due to a wife and possibly children, so he has less time to diligently seek after the will of the Lord. So you’re actually correct when you assume it’s possible there is a higher enlightenment for those who can sustain the lifestyle. The Bible implies exactly that. And it’s also logical when we look at it this way.

 

[EscapedMentalPatientParticipant 1489]

If anything, I admire your tenacity and your ability to use your inner strength.  You’re proving to yourself that you’re of great conviction if you are able to maintain such a lifestyle.

I wonder if places like Men’s Health or such would be of help.  I know nothing of this magazine or it’s inclinations, as I tend to live knowing that I’ll die.  If you could start an ongoing discussion or something:

Men’s Health Celibacy

Or I wonder if this would often be presented in a psychiatric coping tool sense:

http://www.psychforums.com/sexuality/topic34411.html

More Psych Forums

etc.etc.

It would be interesting to see what sort of peer interest you could garner by starting your own type of forum regarding the issue.  There might well be many guys pursuing/wondering about the issue themselves, but haven’t created or found a venue yet to address their convictions.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

I would say to consider reading Romans 7:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+7

The thing is, if you keep thinking about avoiding something, you will think about that thing you are avoiding.  There is also the principle of emptying the house and a 7 fold return of something worse (Matthew 12:43-46):

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+12

It is VERY important you fill the gaps with other things in your life, or the life without sex can catch up to you.  You get a LOT of liberty being MGTOW, but you need to fill it with stuff that is useful and fruitful, it will be a case of filling with other things, like replacing sex with food or drugs or whatever else.  The sex drive will die down, but you still need to fill your life with things that are useful.

I am going to be doing a series of videos on ideas on how to fill this gap, for my YouTube channel when I can.  And here would be a link to the playlist I will stick the videos in:

For a place to start though, I would suggest thinking on this:

Phil. 4:8 (you can go 9 also): Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.

Idea is to have a full new life, not just be a void in some area, and consider such sacrifice to be awesome as its own.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Anonymous 13]

Fermat wrote:

I have known Christ and have been a Christian since an early age and have always wanted to live a life of self discipline not only for myself but for God. I know I don’t need to be a monk or priest to achieve this, but in today’s hypersexualized society, I cannot help but wonder what hidden vault of enlightenment and knowledge I would have access to if I simply avoid sex altogether. Surely that is an area in a man’s life where he can display the greatest amount of strength where normally he would be very weak in. Yes sex does conflict with religious views since marriage is off the table for me and these are views I cannot explain to many people in my life. This a path I am serious abut pursuing and all support is greatly welcome

 

God be with you brother.  I am trying to believe again, its hard – but since I’ve been praying my anger is subsiding a bit.  I think about sex quite often, I am one of those men who burns and thirsts – I’m not sure if it is because I need validation because of my ego – or if it is because my testosterone is so high.  I’m learning patience and curbing impulsive behavior.  My high sex drive is subsiding, I haven’t masturbated in awhile, and it feels great.  My energy levels are better, I have clarity, I don’t think about sex as often, I can talk to people easier – and I’ll be doing things like learning a language – working more often, exercising more often, eating better, developing better habits and better bonds with my brothers.  Concentrate on getting my kids back more healthily and sensibly, stop living in anger and squalor.

I need God, not sex, not alcohol, not an ego massage, not drugs.

I need to love and do everything I can to raise my kids, not sex, not female validation.

I need to get over my pride, my envy, not empty vacant risky sex.

I need to hone skills that are valuable, that make money and secure a future for myself and my kids.

 

These women want me to chase them?  When they are with a man they know they won’t keep, or won’t keep them, when they chose a sub par mate…why on earth would I give them all I have to offer, I’ve already done that for some of them before….I learned.

 

When all these single mammas are older, and all they find is bad sex and bad men to give them their validation/money/time – they’ll get what they are worth – which isn’t much – just distrust, fights, and finally heartbreak-they will realize the pointlessness and the hell they created.  I’m not going to give myself so flippantly, I have more respect for myself than that – and better things to do with my time.

[Anonymous 13]

Richardhut

nik

 

I’ve been an agnostic for awhile now, but I’m trying to believe again.  I enjoyed your videos, you have some very useful information.  I’m getting back in God, Jesus the whole thing.  I have an older friend who was basically like an earthly father to my dad.  He gave me the same advice as you did in your post.  I’m a pretty hard.  Some old fashioned christian friends of his, they are going to pray with me soon – but they told me to start reading the new testament and praying first – the demons will leave and come back with more and worse spirits than before – if I don’t fill the void with God and positive things.

[PereneParticipant 5]

Here’s my opinion on this matter: if you are still practicing masturbation, you aren’t really free from the shackles of your body. You have not get rid of women’s influence in any shape or form. In my case, once I understood that I could catch STDs that can’t be removed completely even if I used a condom, and things like the “incubation period” (nevermind other inconveniences such as pregnancy) sex was off the table for good, for the reason no woman can ever be trusted, they all lie with a clear conscience, and unless you can manage to get the desired woman quarantined and watched for no physical contact in that period, and there’s a way to test for all possible diseases, no deal. I recommend a book called “Seductive Delusions: How Everyday People Catch STDs” on this matter.

Speaking for myself, I always felt tired and restless, not to mention having an uneasy mood, inability to deal with most stuff, concentrate/study, while I was still masturbating. Once I got rid of even that (and all forms of worshiping women, porn included), I became a new person, able to enjoy life fully and evolve as an individual.

If you start thinking the material world, your senses and bodily needs are the only things that matter, you will be enslaved to all of them for good. You will become an ignorant/materialistic man, someone that is so detached from the philosophical path/ways that it will always suffer, even if you don’t notice.

Animals like to eat, drink, sleep and copulate. Some are even mimicking us. All of this doesn’t require real efforts of them. Women are acting in this fashion.

Their demands on life will always be material, never intellectual. Their intellectual capacities are already atrophied. And yours will be, too, if you don’t change your priorities.

It was not enough for me to swallow the red pill and understand what women are. I had to clean myself from the influence of the feminine, that is everywhere. Someone said previously it does not take much effort for you to be celibate. That’s right, since women’s nature is of a lazy parasite, and once you realize all their emotions are faked and never felt, that they are embodiments of illusions, you’ll see clearly as I do they won’t actively pursue or even talk with men. And if they do, you will not be in the slightest attracted once you realize they are not interesting in any way and all the beauty they seem to have will either fade quickly or was never there in the first place.

Men are the ones who are beautiful in every way, and it is men I care enough, not to have an intimate relationship, but a fruitful, productive one, such as the one we are having right now, in this discussion. I honestly have no idea how can any of you still feel any desire towards a creature that is wretched by any measure, that can never be helped or improved, despite all our attempts. Better leave them alone and focuse on yourself.

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