Male Celibacy Support

[FermatParticipant 3478]

Greetings, fellow men. I am a straight Christian male who has decided to lead a live of not only eternal bachelorhood, but also eternal celibacy. In Christianity, you cannot have sex outside of marriage and because I have made the decision not to sign a marriage contract with the state, celibacy is the way I have decided to go. It is going to be a very tough road as a 22 year old male. For those that suggest I change religions to eliminate these restrictions, that is not likely to happen. I believe what I believe with conviction. Aside from masturbation every now and then, there are no other forms of sexuality I can enjoy with another woman, thus I wish to live a life of sexual self discipline, free from women. I know this will benefit me in the end if i can get over a certain age hurdle and conquering my inner desires.

Does anyone know any celibacy support forums for men? There are some for women and others have to do with religion or asexuals. I am none of those. I’ve done some research and can’t seem to find any. Any suggestions? Also, for older MGTOW when does one’s sex drive generally die down? My goal is to reach the age of 50 or 55 without sex and by then I’m hoping I will have no sex drive and can progress with my life thusly.

Thoughts?

 

I have discovered a truly remarkable list of reasons why women are not necessary for a happy life, but alas this margin is too small to contain it.

[RoyDalParticipant]

I have not heard of such a thing. Good luck with that. Mine came about because I got annoyed and bored with the dating scene, but I was opposed to getting hitched. In effect, I found my own way.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[Anonymous 25]

RoyDal wrote:

I have not heard of such a thing. Good luck with that. Mine came about because I got annoyed and bored with the dating scene, but I was opposed to getting hitched. In effect, I found my own way.

How could you possibly get bored of the dating scene? Surely an endless supply of entitlement princesses who only care about their own wants and needs and have no clue about what men want is every man’s dream. Oh hang on … no … we’re not white knights. I agree. Sod that. Dating sucks.

[EdogParticipant 254]

Yeah, you got a tough road up ahead. No, your sex drive won’t diminish for quite a while. I’m 35 and mine is still quite strong. But notice we’re referring to sex drive, and not necessarily a desire to be with a female. Yes, the two are very often intertwined, but one doesn’t entail the other in any direct sense as far as ‘need’ is concerned. It’s just a ‘want’. So in this regard, it’s not overly difficult to manage. There will be times of some pretty high frustration though. You’re still young. You have a lot of life experience coming your way. There will be trials and tribulations, and females will be among them.

The biggest thing for you to always remember and keep in mind is that this is flesh against the spirit. A struggle of the inward man vs. the outward man.

 

[IronVParticipant 77]

That’s a hard way man. Although I’m now an atheist, I’ve been deeply religious orthodox christian all my life. I stopped believing in God for quite a lot of reasons, but anyway that’s something very personal.

Let me tell you something about celibacy and Christianity from my own experience and personal researches on the topic.

Sexuality is corner stone for the personality of the individual – no matter what you do you’re entitled to it. Of course you can and must control your libido, but that’s a knife with two blades.

First of all you live in human society that is based on sex – literary. All of life is sex and death. Even in the most conservative communities sexual tension exists. It’s part of our nature, you can’t change that – you can only find an effective method of disregarding yourself from it.

Now let’s see what’s the purpose of celibacy in Christianity.

Celibacy is practiced among monks and priests for them not to be distracted from their flesh in their goal of reaching purity and God. It’s seen as victory of the spirit over the sinful nature of the body.

But we see that even in the priesthood celibacy is deforming the well-being of the individual. Pedophilia, homosexuality, psychotic disorders are mainly caused by years-long suppressed sexual desire. Of course it is great to have control over yourself, but not going against nature.

Think about that. Monks isolate themselves from society for not being tempted with sin and in the monasteries is full with f~~~~~s. You know about the celibacy catholic pedophiles and so on and so on…

I myself once thought that I don’t need sex, but my body has proven me wrong. And I was celibate for 5 years.

“If you tighten the string too much, it will snap, and if you leave it too slack, it won’t play” – Buddhist wisdom.

 

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I’ll be frank. This isn’t a solution. It’s not the direct kind of support you may be seeking, but I’m being 100% supportive.

It really doesn’t take much effort to lead a celibate life. All you have to do is NOT talk to chicks or make any effort. Women can’t even open a conversation without a man’s help…. so it’s not like they are laying back with their legs apart, and you’re shouting “NOO!!!!!! I WON’T DO IT!!!! STOP THAT!!!!!!”. Even if she is really into you, women are much too lazy for a man to TRY and “lead a celibate life”.

All you have to do is not actively pursue her, and she’s so goddam arrogant she will think you MUST be “gay”. Celibacy is the LAST reality she will accept. She’s not going to come running after you just because you didn’t pursue her. That you wouldn’t want her sexually – just to avoid STDS – would also be inconceivable to her.

Moreover… I never told anyone I quit smoking. You know why? So I can still have one (or two with a drink) and not look like an asshole who doesn’t honor his own commitments. Nothing worse than that guy who runs around telling everyone he quit smoking on the first day… and then he says “Im on my second day now!! (expecting congratulations)… and by Friday, you go to lunch, and you see him sneaking a drag around the corner while saying “Don’t tell my wife. She’ll kill me”.

That’s when “quitting smoking” kills you too.
And he justifies it further by saying “I didn’t buy a pack, I just bummed it”.

Everything in moderation. Denying yourself ALL pleasure – even the slightest – is not healthy. The way to lose weight is not to cut out EVERYTHING. Have a piece of cake, but just eat HALF. Don’t eat an entire row of Oreos. Just have two. Have a cigarette if you’re out with friends and you really want ONE. But a personal vow of celibacy is too easily attainable for it to be a challenge or a declaration of anything.

It’s a STRUGGLE to rationalize celibacy because you’re 22 and you can’t see the future.
But it’s DAMN EASY if you just make up your mind to never get an STD or spend money on a female.

So the struggle can be removed entirely. Instead of making a promise to yourself “I’m celibate”, just decide “I will never spend money on a female”. That’s not a sacrifice for you, and it accomplishes the same goal. Even when temptation hits, the decision is guaranteed to REWARD and PAY you – every single time.

In this case, to accomplish the goal MUCH easier….
instead of saying “I deny myself this and require support”,
deny THEM (sex) when the opportunity hits, and make it THEIR struggle.

Why deny and restrict yourself? When you can REWARD AND PAY yourself.
You’re still technically not having sex, but it’s a total attitude adjustment.

I didn’t go out last night and buy beers or pay cover.
No I didn’t get laid either. But neither did some woman, and I kept my money.

No personal vow of celibacy – or discipline – required.
It’s like some female out there actually wrote me a check.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[EdogParticipant 254]

IronV wrote:

Celibacy is practiced among monks and priests for them not to be distracted from their flesh in their goal of reaching purity and God. It’s seen as victory of the spirit over the sinful nature of the body. But we see that even in the priesthood celibacy is deforming the well-being of the individual. Pedophilia, homosexuality, psychotic disorders are mainly caused by years-long suppressed sexual desire. Of course it is great to have control over yourself, but not going against nature. Think about that. Monks isolate themselves from society for not being tempted with sin and in the monasteries is full with f~~~~~s. You know about the celibacy catholic pedophiles and so on and so on…

In no way, shape, form, or manner is this representative of Christianity. Priests follow Catholicism. It’s not Christian doctrine to start. And the term ‘monk’ in no way implies a Christian worldview either. You have set up a strawman to be knocked down.

In Matthew 19:10-12, Jesus tells us that celibacy for the sake of the kingdom of God is a calling, and that those who are able to receive it, let them receive it. You are arguing that acts of perversion by perverse men are equivalent to God’s call to celibacy for the sake of the kingdom. It’s absurd. Jesus said it would be better for you to tie a millstone around your neck and cast yourself into the sea than to harm or cause offence to any of the little ones. And you’re arguing that pedophile child molesters are acting on behalf of God and as a result of God’s calling?

Paul says that satan himself is transformed into an angel of light, and that we should therefor not marvel when his ministers transform themselves into ministers of righteousness.

You’re referring to the ministers of satan. False impostors who seek to corrupt men from the truth.

[FermatParticipant 3478]

@keymaster Thank you for your insight. An attitude adjustment is all that is required. The rest will come naturally.

I have discovered a truly remarkable list of reasons why women are not necessary for a happy life, but alas this margin is too small to contain it.

[v9wlmn8c1982Participant 83]

IronV wrote:

But we see that even in the priesthood celibacy is deforming the well-being of the individual. Pedophilia, homosexuality, psychotic disorders are mainly caused by years-long suppressed sexual desire. Of course it is great to have control over yourself, but not going against nature. Think about that. Monks isolate themselves from society for not being tempted with sin and in the monasteries is full with f~~~~~s. You know about the celibacy catholic pedophiles and so on and so on… I myself once thought that I don’t need sex, but my body has proven me wrong. And I was celibate for 5 years. “If you tighten the string too much, it will snap, and if you leave it too slack, it won’t play” – Buddhist wisdom.

Don’t confuse these people with celibacy. They claim to live the celibate lifestyle when many of them are sexual predators who hide under the pretence of that righteous lifestyle so they can gain access to children. A paedophiles dream job is a priest. He’s got an excuse for not being attracted to women, he has access to children and is trusted in the community. That’s why there’s so many nonces that are priests. Got nothing to do with being celibate. If that were the case then all 40 year old male virgins snap and abuse children or turn gay and we know that doesn’t happen. Being celibate doesn’t turn a man into a nonce or a queer. That’s already there in their sexual make up.

[Anonymous 42]

Just because you don’t want to jump into an icky swamp full of death and destruction doesn’t mean you’re abnormal, these days playing the field has become a dangerous and deadly occupation, lying down with today’s woman is laying in a bed of death. Don’t think so? Just ask all the friends, one relative, one girlfriend, that I’ve seen pass away from playing in the swamp! You’re saving your own life by going celibate! Over time your life will improve while the swamp continues on it’s veracious consumption of those that tempt it’s murky lure. The wisest decision anyone can make in today’s world of utter insanity! GOOD LUCK!

I’m on my 18th year after having all the nutty relationships in every dimension of lunacy imaginable! Never spent any time married, just kept trying on shoe after shoe and found they all have thumbtacks or broken glass imbedded in the sole (soul).

[HitmanParticipant]

i dont think jesus christ himself was celibate .. sex will present itself to you , just be smart about it .. pussy is awesome , child support payments are not .. see .. ? live life on your terms..not anyone elses..

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Hitman wrote:

i dont think jesus christ himself was celibate

I’m not so sure about that. Jesus was poor and all the women around him were jewish.

That seems like a recipe for celibacy to me.

[peterfaParticipant 833]

All historical accounts of Jesus had it that he had supernatural powers. The Christians (obviously) said he was the son of God, and naturally commanded mother nature. The Jews said he was a sorcerer. He was recognized as having multiplied fishes and loaves. He could have all the women he wanted. Not only was he prestigious and socially high up the ladder, but he had considerable political power. If he was after women, he certainly would have more than the alleged Mary of Magdala. He could have all kinds of women.

Had that ever happened, the Jews would have bragged all about his unholy exploits. This is a man who said, “If your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out.” The Jews would certainly sought a reason to discredit him, yet the failed.

Jesus was certainly celibate.

[EdogParticipant 254]

Hitman wrote:

i dont think jesus christ himself was celibate

You’re not allowing the source to speak for itself. You’re free to think as you will, but this is a nonsensical statement when taking into consideration what the Bible teaches, and that is that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh here among us. Regardless of if you are a believer or not, the implication is absurd when taking into consideration even for the non-believer that hypothetically “if” there were a God, would he have any need for fornication among his creation? It’s not logical. And then taking into consideration Jesus’s stated purposes, it becomes an impossibility that Jesus was anything but celibate if he completed his task as is confirmed in scripture.

[peterfaParticipant 833]

@edog, he’s doing that “Historical Jesus,” thing where people are like, “We know what the Jesus of Faith is, but we want to find out the real Jesus.” There’s a deal of skepticism of scripture. The thesis is that scripture is supernatural, which goes against modernity and science. Things just don’t do things like that. What I did is argue from undeniable facts, facts that anyone can accept without compromising their position. You can acknowledge that Jesus was said to have supernatural powers without actually believing it.

[EdogParticipant 254]

peterfa wrote:

@Edog, he’s doing that “Historical Jesus,” thing where people are like, “We know what the Jesus of Faith is, but we want to find out the real Jesus.” There’s a deal of skepticism of scripture. The thesis is that scripture is supernatural, which goes against modernity and science. Things just don’t do things like that. What I did is argue from undeniable facts, facts that anyone can accept without compromising their position. You can acknowledge that Jesus was said to have supernatural powers without actually believing it.

Exactly. Which is why I gave your statement + 1.  Which is also why I said that even for the non-believer, if they use common sense and logic and hypothetically assume that Jesus WAS God in the flesh as the Bible states, would there be any need for him to fornicate? This is still an obvious no even for the non-believer. And as you pointed out, and is actually a driving point, the religious zealots sought to accuse Jesus of literally anything they could, and yet were unable to, and in many instances, implicated themselves in the process. Had they been successful, they would have made it known. When the hypocrites brought the woman to Jesus for adultery asking what they should do with her, actually hoping to find reason to accuse Jesus of something, he told them “he who is without sin cast the first stone”, and in doing so, convicted them of the same laws they were appealing to, and being convicted in conscience, they one by one dropped their stones and walked away. The hypocrites asked Jesus what they should do about adultery, so I highly doubt Jesus himself was guilty of fornicating when the religious zealots came to him for answers. Had they a reason to accuse him already, which they very much wished for, this would not have been necessary.

You don’t need to believe it, in order to allow the claim to be represented as it is from the source. To make a claim that says otherwise begs the question of why and how it could be so.

 

 

[EdogParticipant 254]

IronV wrote:

Now let’s see what’s the purpose of celibacy in Christianity. Celibacy is practiced among monks and priests for them not to be distracted from their flesh in their goal of reaching purity and God. It’s seen as victory of the spirit over the sinful nature of the body. But we see that even in the priesthood celibacy is deforming the well-being of the individual. Pedophilia, homosexuality, psychotic disorders are mainly caused by years-long suppressed sexual desire. Of course it is great to have control over yourself, but not going against nature. Think about that. Monks isolate themselves from society for not being tempted with sin and in the monasteries is full with f~~~~~s. You know about the celibacy catholic pedophiles and so on and so on…

This is not representative of what Christianity reaches about being celibate. As a Christian, I don’t follow any priests, nor do I regard them as spiritual leaders or advisors. And the term ‘monk’ doesn’t imply a Christian worldview unless it’s been stated as such. The Bible teaches that there is but one Mediator between man and God, and that man is Jesus Christ.

Matthew 19: <span class=”reftext”><b>10</b></span>His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry. <span class=”reftext”><b>11</b></span>But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. <span class=”reftext”><b>12</b></span>For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

Jesus implies that celibacy for the sake of the kingdom of God is a calling, and he that is able to receive it, let him receive it. Now, are you going to tell me that men that do acts of perversion are being called by God to be celibate for the kingdom of heavens sake, or would we agree that these men are false men and impostors to the Word of God? Biblically speaking, it’s obvious what the answer is. They aren’t acting as celibate at all, but rather acting perversely. Biblically speaking, these men who do these things are not saved. Jesus says it would be better to cast a millstone around your neck and cast yourself into the sea than to cause offense to any of the children who might believe on him. And you’re arguing that pedophiles are representing the church? The true Church of God is a spiritual church and it is comprised of those who follow God in the spirit. Not the false men who do perversion upon the Earth, acting carnally and in self-indulgence.

You’re referring to acts of perversion by perverse men and then implying that it equates to God’s calling. You’ll have a very difficult time establishing any form of foundation or basis of that claim by using the Bible as a source reference.

 

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

It’s been 15 years since I had sex, when I had an FWB I quit wanting sex from women. The FWB didn’t tell she was still married (separated). Few years afterwards I had many women wanting to sleep with me but I had no interest because many of these women had boyfriends or a husband. In the end I wonder which women were not wanting to cheat on their partner.

Masturbation isn’t good for your health at least that’s what Chinese medicine say. Also in religions lust is also a sin so masturbation is a sin. To keep your urges down limit spicy foods, meat and other proteins like nuts.

I have found that fasting helps with sexual cravings. I do 20 to 24 hours fasts once or twice a week on separate occasions and it can help with the need to masturbate of wanting sex.

Last of all prayer or meditation can reduce need to masturbate or have sex. You have to do it long enough my guess is 30 minutes. You don’t have to be religious to meditate.

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[FermatParticipant 3478]

@ʞɔnuɐƆʎzɐɹƆ Wow 15 years. Prayer, meditation, and fasting, spiritual actions to gain enlightenment and sexual self discipline. I’m sold.

I have discovered a truly remarkable list of reasons why women are not necessary for a happy life, but alas this margin is too small to contain it.

[EdogParticipant 254]

Fermat wrote:

@ʞɔnuɐƆʎzɐɹƆ Wow 15 years. Prayer, meditation, and fasting, spiritual actions to gain enlightenment and sexual self discipline. I’m sold.

Been since I was in my early 20’s for me, and I’m 35, so maybe 13 or so years. I’ve had tons of opportunities along the way and even recently have had several straight up offers for sex in plain terms. I find females are attracted to me BECAUSE I go my own way. They can’t figure out why I’m not enticed and why I don’t shower them with compliments, and in turn, they begin to try and get it out of me just to see if they can. Of course I know it’s all a game, which means I have the advantage. I’m not deluded.

I think you’re seeing some of the same things I was seeing at your age Fermat. You’re already sensing that your spiritual recognition is going to be at major odds with your physical wants. Females are a major challenge. For me, once I came to know Christ, I just found myself withdrawing from society altogether. So for me it sort of became all encompassing. Not just women, but society. I became totally introverted and stopped relying on outside support and started focusing on following God in the spirit. I guess it’s why I can identify with John the Baptist. He left society and went off into the wilderness to get away from the sinful nature of people, lest he be tempted himself. That’s why I go to work, and then I come home. That’s it aside from grocery shopping. I do what is necessary, and then get out of peoples way. When I’m in society, I’m an observer, not a partaker. I go my own way. I see what most of them don’t, and yet to me, it’s quite obvious.

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