Canned my Shrink….got far more help from MGTOW

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

The kind of listening that Manson was talking about, as I am sure you’re all well aware of, is the kind that lets people know that other people care about them.

It’s not whats said, but the fact that someone cares enough to let you say it. Thats what a lot of us do here, listen to each other. But that listening has to come in the context of offering and accepting advice, looking for solutions, working together… not just isolated talking about the same thing over and over and expecting someone to sit and care when the speaker clearly doesnt care (or desire) to work toward a solution.

That’s the kind of listening women desire… because they don’t want solutions, they just want the power of being able to command other people’s attention and resources.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Puffin Stuff wrote:

The minute my second wife asked to go for marriage counseling, I called my divorce attorney to get ready.

Puffin Stuff wrote:

A wife’s request for marriage counseling is a sign of impending getting your ass kicked out of your house.

@PuffinStuff your example is a savior to men everywhere.

Copy and paste that s~~~ right here…..

/forums/topic/maybe-we-should-go-to-counseling/

…. and make them Roger that loud and clear.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[FreedomParticipant 295]

Most of the time, all you really need is a friend that can listen to you state your problems, and not pass judgment. We are pack animals, after all. Our brains heal up that way.

On the other hand, there are many varieties of shrink. A different one might actually have something useful to offer. Don’t let the ridiculous social stigma against mental health practice drive you away from useful resources, if you wind up needing them.

It is wise to fear dangerous commitments.

[Anonymous 54]

I went to two marriage concelers. Both women. What a f~~~ing joke.How bout marriage counciling sessions where you have your male therapist present.she has her female therapist present. Would the therapist get into a fight with each other?

[EyeswideopenParticipant 2930]

Puffin Stuff wrote:

A wife’s request for marriage counseling is a sign of impending getting your ass kicked out of your house.

Agreed. If your lucky enough to get that warning with the younger generation. I am mid-late 30’s. Women of my generation don’t even bother with the pretext – straight to cash and prizes.

- Marriage is described as an institution. You would have to be crazy to be commited to it. -"If you want to live a happy life, tie it to a goal. Not people or things" Albert Einstein

[VarunParticipant 2981]

Anonymous wrote:

I went to two marriage concelers. Both women. What a f~~~ing joke.How bout marriage counciling sessions where you have your male therapist present.she has her female therapist present. Would the therapist get into a fight with each other?

I don’t think so. Personally, I’ve found that male counselors are all about fixing things.

Two years ago, when I was in juvie, I got counseling; there were like 5 female psychiatrists and two male… the females always had lot of talks on the tip of their tongues..lots of advice, nothing that could help me….

The male ones quietly listened when I spoke, and gave me short, to-the-point and discreet answers.

Once during a session, I was like “I thought I would call the police on his ass…….”, the females were like: “Oh, don’t be so angry! Let go of your pent up-feelings; you should do yoga and meditate everyday…….blah…blah..blah..”

When he was finally given the chance to speak, one of the male just says “If you do that, you’d make enemies…now do you want that?” <- This was the most sensible thing I heard in the entire session.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[alchemistParticipant 484]

Truthseeker82 wrote:

most importantly, acutely aware that there is NO ONE in this world, other then myself, that is responsible for my happiness.

Is right!
I’m glad to hear this place was of greater service than your shrink, it means we’re doing something right! 🙂

[alchemistParticipant 484]

Keymaster wrote:

Anthony wrote:

Shrinks only pander to women and they never help

That’s because women actually believe “talking about” a problem is some kind of a solution.

It isn’t.

That’s why women are insane and need/recommend shrinks.
They prefer to TALK ABOUT problems vs. actually SOLVING them.

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The male conversation paradigm is:
1- Here’s a problem
2- Here’s a solution
(1 & 2 try the solution)

The female is:
1- How are you today?
2- [feelings]
(1 & 2 give indirect non-answers to each other)

By non-answers I mean;
: where’s the post office?
: do you want to buy a stamp?
: no, I want to know where the post office is.
: are you posting a letter to your wife?
: no, I have no wife and never will… what question are you answering? because I just want to know where the f~~~ing post office is.
: I feel scared by your hostility.
: oh for f~~~’s sake.

[shovelheadriderParticipant 2400]

I have found most shrinks and religious zealots are just messed up from factory.Some turned to study psychology to try to learn and fix themselves. Other f~~~ed up people turned to God or Allah to help them.
Academia is so screwed today with sexual identity confusion and a cafeteria of P.C. Choice where common sense will not be tolerated, published or tendered.
A shink starts out asking how you feel about this and that (Ralph,earl,Buick, gag )
A shrink is like a Barber.Ask a Barber and you always can use a trim; pay me now and I want to see you back in two weeks

[STORMParticipant 738]

Truthseeker82 ! Very good. Psychicatrists are there to make drug sales for the drug companies for the most part. Psychologists can’t push the drugs like a psychiatrist, instead they offer you an extension to the wrecked path you’re already on. They will advise you to get in relationships, telling you that it’s the “healthy” and “normal” thing to do. Well guess what ? They benefit from this idea. More relationships with women, means more customers for them. To the so called “Mental Health System” … Your contract with men is about to expire.

If we listen to a female at all, It's no longer to find out if they're crazy, we know they're crazy, It's to find out what flavor.

[AttonParticipant]

A Shrink can’t unf~~~ your life, that is the sum total of what I learned.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[AgitoMParticipant 99]

Couple of unrelated experiences from me on the matters raised in this topic:

Many years ago, I was thoroughly upset with my relationship with a girl having ended. Relationship ended mostly because of us having different religions. This caused me a lot of pent of frustration I didn’t know what to do with aside from some other issues.

Decided to see the councillor of the university I was working for at that time. Very friendly lady, spent about an hour talking to her. But during the conversation I started to notice something. Everything I said, she agreed with me. To test this out, I started making increasingly harsh comments and opinions, some of them bordering on the offensive. Eventually I reached a point in which I deliberately said something really unacceptable, while she still sat there, smiled, and agreed with me. That’s where I really realised that no matter what I said, she would just agree with everything. So I cut the talk short, shook her hand, thanked her, left, and never spoke to her again.

Basically since those days I really don’t put much faith in councillors. They mostly come across as lousy actors saying textbook things.

But off course, as fate would have it, I am currently working with youngsters on a regular basis, and therefore have been partially trained as a councillor myself. (not my main job, but I sometimes need to offer counsel)

Counselling training basically says that when counselling you should listen (which is good), but not attempt to offer solutions, instead have a person think though a problem and come up with a solution themselves. Something can be said for that, but truth is being a guy, I do prefer to just say my piece, my opinion, and how I feel it should be resolved.
Funny enough, guys very much like it when I tell them what I would do, girls not so much.

Group of male youngsters once approached me, these guys kind of saw me as a “wise masculine role model”. (they told me a few months later) One of the boys was upset about one girl rejecting him, wanted to give up on dating altogether.
Basically told him this:
If every guy who got rejected would give up dating, humanity would no longer exist. Happens to every guy, no use sobbing over it. But I’ll tell you the bigger joke:
Even if a girl doesn’t want you now, so what? A few years from now, you will have your education, have a job with a few years of experience, built up some money. What does she have? The looks she has now are withering. Suddenly she can’t be so picky over guys anymore. You may suddenly be attractive to her. Funny thing is though, you will probably not want her anymore. (btw. didn’t hear of MGTOW yet at that moment)

Guys love this sort of straight forward advise, even if they may not fully follow it. Point is made, solution is given, the rest is up to them. Girls generally just wish to sob over their problems. Biggest example would be my mother that would just talk about her problems for days and weeks on end and reject every solution offered. So I figure that if one day all her problems would be solved, she would be so miserable.

Think as far as counselling goes, different approaches should be used for males and females. Females should dive all the way in the deep with their emotions. Guys should probably stay more on the surface. I think guys should express what is bothering them, but best not to go to deep in. Instead be more focused on solution and directing their energy to something constructive.

[Frank V.Participant 2445]

Keymaster wrote:

Anthony wrote:

Shrinks only pander to women and they never help

That’s because women actually believe “talking about” a problem is some kind of a solution.

It isn’t.

That’s why women are insane and need/recommend shrinks.
They prefer to TALK ABOUT problems vs. actually SOLVING them.

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This is why I never got married !

Frank V.

[solitudeParticipant 346]

Speaking from person experience, shrinks help you to open up to strangers (for those like myself that had trouble with it) but offer no real long term solutions or offer any similar experiences to build from.

I find topic specific forums with mature posters and a low amount of trolls far more gratifying and useful. There aren’t very many places like this left on the net so I’m thankful to be a part of it.

[solitudeParticipant 346]

Keymaster wrote:

That’s because women actually believe “talking about” a problem is some kind of a solution.

It isn’t.

That’s why women are insane and need/recommend shrinks.
They prefer to TALK ABOUT problems vs. actually SOLVING them.

They also know its in the psychiatrists best interest to side with the women for repeat business knowing full well most men have no interest in the entire ordeal.

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