can married men be mgtow????

[RhettParticipant 637]

Hitman wrote:

i got married , had a child and the wife went OFF HER ROCKER ! you wanna talk about stress ? holy f~~~ing s~~~ ! she admitted trying to force me out of the house we bought , had me arrested , grabbed the kid , filed for divorce , i got pulled through court a few times ..HELL. pure hell..i was gonna cash in ALL the chips and one day i found mgtow . yeah , i wanted THAT ..to go my own f~~~ing way ! SO I DID . a divorce can take a long time , coming up on three years for me .. let me tell you men , i would have lived out the blue pill dream i was programmed into believing was real ..but I WOKE UP !

You’re killing me softly Hitman. That’s the story of my life, only thing was that my divorce took 2years. After reading and studying I’ve come to the conclusion that MGTOW is not a label but rather a journey. I have great respect for Stealthy MGTOW and his contributions to this forum, but only Stealthy knows if he’s truly going his own way. Same is true for any married man, he can either be led by the pussy or he can take charge of his own destiny.

My brothers, MGTOW shouldn’t be defined as the opposite of feminism but it’s man’s response to these crazy bitches who want to have their cake and eat it. We are to embrace and encourage each other, even blue pillers need a nudge to help them wake up. So I beseech all my MGTOW brethren, I know a lot of us are hurting, but we cannot turn this movement into a bitter, venomous and emotionally driven campaign against bitches. These bitches will inevitability self destruct once WE leave the picture.

Single guys come home, look at what’s in the fridge, and go to bed. Married guys come home, look at what’s in bed, and go to the fridge.......But the best representative of MGTOW is…………… an empty chair,.

[OgreParticipant 5863]

I’m not as prolific of a writer as Stealthy, but I believe I’ve offered some good advice along the way. There’s another element at work for almost every married man here too. This group pretty consistently posts about Father’s Rights and they aren’t your kids,even if it’s your DNA. If I left tomorrow and started the proceedings the inevitable conclusion is that my kids, and I know they’re mine because of significant signals, lives will take a s~~~ bath in a second. Even if I walked out the door taking only 40 percent of my income with me and left the rest for them, my wife has NEVER made enough to make up the difference.

Sure I could fully go my own way and not look back for her sake, but the 19 year old that I want to make it through college as debt free as possible and the 14 year old that still relies on my financing to take care of everything would have a pretty s~~~ opinion of men from then on. My 19 year old daughter cheered when I brought up the fact that no woman got my vote on Tuesday. She commented that “those bitches don’t know what they want, how can they make decisions that effect everybody else.” I know my plan and nobody else does. I suppose I could write it here and let everybody see, critique, and advise. I was pretty much attacked on my introduction thread, but I stayed cool and I’m still here.

MGTOW saves men’s lives, at many points along the relationship spectrum. From the virgin that doesn’t ever want to touch a girl to the guy that is at the absolute end of his rope because a woman has broken him down to putting a gun in his mouth. If arguments like this make him unwelcome then he may decide to just pull that trigger instead of taking the steps to actually get free. Rules and requirements are for Governments and bitches.

If there was a MGTOW checklist I wouldn’t check a lot of the blocks, but rest assured on the things that matter to me I have gone my own way. I could give a s~~~ if I have money, men can make money from an idea in their mind. This question comes up so frequently and everybody weighs in, it’s good to have the discussion but I really give a s~~~ how anybody wants me to be, or act, or look anymore. I’ll never back stab another man for any reason, so I’m obviously not a white knight or mangina. I’ve been with one woman… ever, so I’m no PUA. I don’t care about making relationships “more fair”, waaaa! bitches, so the MRAs can suck it. I envision a life of my own, on my own, by my own decisions and my own hand; but that requires working on a timeline of my own devising. So I’m here. Bring the flames or the ban hammer, I’ve survived everything else anybody has thrown my way. I suspect that I’ll be fine this go around as well, even if it’s somewhere else.

I failed to realize in my youth that I was the prize. I was going to work. I was going to earn. Little did I realize that due to feminism, that no longer meant I had to share. Road soon, Desert after.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

I’ve heard the argument “A man can be going his own way if his own way is being happily married.” Yeah, way to move the goalposts. That’s the same logic that’s turned privileges into rights and farts into rapes. People can bend a word until it breaks but that doesn’t make the new definition a fact.

I’m not sure if there is a definition of MGTOW.but if there is, I suspect it includes something about not being able to truly choose your own path in life if you are under duress. Being married means a female has your financial life in her hands just as sure as being a member of an organized religion means the faith has your mental life in its hands. I say neither a married man nor a man of faith can truly be MGTOW as they are both operating on the received “wisdom” of a power greater than themselves.

Active duty military during a time of war can’t be MGTOW, prisoners can’t be MGTOW, anyone with warrants, IRS judgements, or being pursued by any police force can not be MGTOW… not in their active life. Maybe in your minds you feel you can be, but if someone else has a chain around your neck and can limit your movement or behavior (beyond the legal framework in which we all live) then you can’t truly go your own way.

This is my definition, at least… being a MGHOW means that you are not physically, mentally, emotionally or financially dependent on any individual or group of individuals. It means nobody but you can command your time,energy and resources beyond those facts to which we are all bound (the need to earn a living, the laws of the jurisdiction in which you live, etc).

Now if someone can explain to me how a married man who is not actively pursuing a divorce can be said to be going his own way, I’d like to hear it.

[narwhalParticipant]

The way I see it, MGTOW is a label. It identifies a collection of ideas. philosophies, with an emphasis on how to logically deal with women and on the truth. It also identifies the men who follow said collection of ideas. Technically, you can’t be married and MGTOW. You can’t wear that label. To me, the label itself is pretty useless, and I don’t feel the need to wear that label. However, I do believe that the vast majority of the MGTOW ideas, etc are truth and will lead to a happier more fulfilling life. I believe that when you speak the truth, when you spread the truth, you’re helping others. I believe the more you see the world for what it really is, the better your life would be.

So MGTOW is just a way of organizing. Many feel you have to meet a level of qualifications to wear the label. I don’t feel like it’s productive to push men away when they can’t or don’t want to meet those qualifications. The standards should not be lowered to make someone feel good. I also completely understand that you can’t let bad apples spoil the bunch (hence part of the reason women are not allowed here).

For me personally, I’m not 100% committed to staying single for the rest of my life. I am definitely committed to dealing with reality and not putting myself and my kids in such a horrible situation again, but I still see some value in a relationship (not much, and I don’t hold out hope for it). So am I MGTOW? I’d say no. Mostly because I have too much respect for those that have made that ‘vow’, and I don’t want to be hypocritical No doubt I will be practicing many MGTOW principles, whether I wear the label or not.

Ok. Then do it.

[DethklokParticipant 153]

Many good points in here.

What creates MGTOW? Mostly men interacting with and getting into relationships with women. There’s a lot of men on here that were previously married, and that’s what did it for them. They are seen as MGTOW. For married men, what makes the difference? A divorce? Can a man not live the same philosophy if he doesn’t want to lose half of his belongings?

[Anonymous 3]

Dethklok wrote:

For married men, what makes the difference? A divorce? Can a man not live the same philosophy if he doesn’t want to lose half of his belongings?

And that’s the key here. If a man is married, his belongings aren’t his at all. Neither is his time, his children, and his money.

[Cap285Participant 6007]

When is the last time a married guy stopped for a burger and a beer without his phone exploding?

When is the last time a married guy bought a Ruger Vaquero just because he wants a single action cowboy pistol?

When is the last time a married guy bought a $130 Lego Millennium Falcon?

When is the last time a married guy took a nap?

When is the last time a married guy watched the game with a beer uninterrupted?

When is the last time a married guy got to go work in his woodworking shop?

When is the last time a married guy went to poker night?

When is the last time a married guy didn’t get dragged to go look at curtains, valences and dust ruffle with tools and sporting goods just in the next aisle that there is ‘no time’ to look at?

Fuck this planet.

[HitmanParticipant]

Rhett wrote:

Tgism

thanks man , glad you got your divorce done with ..glad you related to my situation .it’s very much appreciated .

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

narwhal wrote:

I’m not 100% committed to staying single for the rest of my life. I am definitely committed to dealing with reality and not putting myself and my kids in such a horrible situation again, but I still see some value in a relationship (not much, and I don’t hold out hope for it). So am I MGTOW? I’d say no. Mostly because I have too much respect for those that have made that ‘vow’,

I don’t think you have to make a vow to be alone to be truly MGTOW, just to not put someone else in control of your time, energy and resources. The are some who believe that all interactions with females are toxic and will lead to ruin and there are others who think relations are possible if you are watchful and police your boundaries, I happen to be in the latter camp… I date and have sex with females but I have had a vasectomy, I won’t let them move in with me and I don’t put up with bulls~~~ tests, jealousy, shaming or other attempts to control my thoughts and actions,

While these things limit my possible engagement with females (no overnights at my house, no road trips unless they’re paid half and half in advance, for example) it does not mean that I can not enjoy the benefits that having a female in my life can confer. It’s like keeping a tiger in a zoo… you can enjoy it but you have to respect its ability to destroy you if you give it the slightest provocation and opportunity to do so,

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Dethklok wrote:

For married men, what makes the difference? A divorce? Can a man not live the same philosophy if he doesn’t want to lose half of his belongings?

No, he can not, one can not be simultaneously employed and unemployed, on the grid and off it, a master and a slave, in prison and out of it, married and going his own way. It’s not simply about believing the philosophy, it’s about actually living it.

Imagine if I stood next you at a firing range with a loaded handgun in front of us and told you the rules of safe handling. Wear eye and ear protection, treat the weapon as though it is loaded, always keep the muzzle pointed down range, keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire., etc… and then I grab the gun, finger in the guard, and wave it around like its a princess’ magical wand. Would you be willing to respect my claim that I am a safe and conscientious shooter or are you going to have me thrown off the range?

[Anonymous 11]

Thanks Stealthy for opening my eyes up in this area. I’m a never been married MGHOW so I’m on the other side of the tracks.

I’m of the train of thought that it is theoretically possible to be a married MGHOW but nearly impossible to pull off in the real world as it does require the elusive Unicorn.

A married guy who converts from blue pill to MGHOW is at a very high risk of taking out the marriage as red pill changes everything. Of course, he’s doomed no matter what so he might as well go MGTOW. It’s way less traumatic.

[narwhalParticipant]

Back when I was still married. I invested a lot of time in counseling and reading books on marriage. A lot of what I sucked in was crap, a lot of it was very logical. A lot of it mirrors some of the things I see here. The best stuff I saw was basically to take a step back and logically see what the actual effects of your interactions with your spouse were, understand how those interactions can improve, and making a commit to get to get to where you want to be, both spouses, knowing that it is likely to going to be a tough road. Basically, to think like a man.

Problem of course, is that women are not men, and even if they make an attempt to think like a man, they can always revert to thinking about a woman. To come up with false allegations and perceptions, tell you what your think, compare to others and the unending list of nonsense.

Heck, my ex and I started counseling together, her idea. I cheerfully went all in, and followed the counselors advice. It all stopped when my ex decided I was using the counsel advice to control her and get what I wanted.

So yea, it’s a good theory and all, but the reality is that women can always fall back on their base nature, at any time, for any reason. There is no way to know if the grenade you pick up is a dud or not. It could sit there on the shelf for 20 years, and then go off when you least expect it.

Ok. Then do it.

[Wolf redpillmanSpectator 1658]

If you.married and took that red pill plot.your escape the.more you stay in that marriages that more.you will be staying.in.that. goverment and women plantantion

[AFTParticipant 2722]

If I as a free man want to go to prison,

I decide to do something to get incarcerated,

am I still a free man?

I am where I want to be; that is in prison, I am there because I decided to go there,

I am where I want to be. So am I not free?

The Answer is

NO, I am where I want to be YES,

but I am NOT FREE,

I cannot walk out of prison if I change my mind,

Freedom has responsibilities, not just rights, you may be where you want to be, but to say you are married and MGTOW is to be incarcerated and free.

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[Anonymous 5]

From the message I have got from this type of lifestyle , site (Am sure you understand where am coming from) it has to be for you. Myself I have always had viciously independent “wanting” for the last 3 years (before understanding/finding mgtow) along with it came me throwing people out left & right- I felt I was tired of dealing with anyone who was a “hassle” to deal with alot of them said things “bra” and “come on mannnn” hahaha life has got hole lot better and since mgtow I have had alot more money as-well not say I still have my brothers (not family) that have helped me when I was out – f~~~ ok well what has that to do with the subject at hand? I guess right out to me marriage is utter horse s~~~. If I am ever going to be with a partner for more than sex deal with a girl for permanent companionship: listen hear: we ant going to get married and f~~~ kids (not against kids or people with em just not for me) -actually siting hear makes me think ? Lately I have thought if that was ever going to happen the bitch would hafto be from god or some s~~~ women like that aren’t around and don’t like climbing mountains. So I rather take a chance with lighting than lie to myself.

to each his own good subject!

[Anonymous 0]

NO!!!…not even when you live apart. Always the sword of Damocles, called divorce, above your head. NO!!!

[jacktores69Participant 0]

Im with you bro. Im married my self and I awaken to late in my marriage as well. Im big into the MGTOW BUT Im married and I an see why allot of guys will say “how can you be MGTOW?” Im in that myself, For me, and I can maybe say for you to that MGTOW is a state of mind and for NOW, I’m going to jump ship when my kids are of age. Maybe your thinking the same thing, who knows. We may have to pay some money for a while BUT you cant put a price on sanity right? We need to get one of those lawyers that are for MEN, they are out there, we just have to find them. Its so easy to sit back and talk talk about married guys and say “your not MGTOW” because maybe the women turned them down so much that maybe stop trying and remained single and then found MGTOW and now they must remain single or maybe they got divorced and didn’t have any kids and then found MGTOW and not remarrying. We married men out here can start our own MGTOW. StealthMGTOW? Im down! MMGTOW (marriedMGTOW) hey its all good. Lets do this for all the us men who are married and want to go MGTOW!

[markParticipant 451]

Cap285 wrote:

When is the last time a married guy stopped for a burger and a beer without his phone exploding?

When is the last time a married guy bought a Ruger Vaquero just because he wants a single action cowboy pistol?

When is the last time a married guy bought a $130 Lego Millennium Falcon?

When is the last time a married guy took a nap?

When is the last time a married guy watched the game with a beer uninterrupted?

When is the last time a married guy got to go work in his woodworking shop?

When is the last time a married guy went to poker night?

When is the last time a married guy didn’t get dragged to go look at curtains, valences and dust ruffle with tools and sporting goods just in the next aisle that there is ‘no time’ to look at?

I am not going to go NAWALT, just stay with me to the end of my exposition:

All these questions imply the truth: The vast majority of western women are controlling biatches. But it leaves out countries and cultures where men can be men, and women complement them by assuming their position in the family.

Can you be married and do what you want? I believe you can, as long as you have the right woman with the right passport. I have been blessed with the great opportunity of living (not travelling!) abroad for many, many years. I have mixed with locals in Asia, Europe, USA, and South America, and I have discovered that women are veeery different depending on where they come from.

The problem is that you must “buy in origin”, meaning that you cannot get a Thai girl already living in the USA, for she will most likely already be contaminated. You can bring her back as long as she understands the rules. At the end of the day, women are no different than children; they will test their boundaries from time to time, but as long as you stay put everything will work just fine.

I have seen extremely happy men, specially in Asia, with years and years of marriage under their belts, and their beer, their motorcycles, and their poker nights. Is that an exception? Nope, in fact, the exception is the Asian girl who goes rogue, and if you dig deep enough you usually find out that she had that planned all along.

I am not advocating for marriage, but I just want to highlight that the feminist war that we lost (so far) only occupies the western world.

[OneTrueMisfitSpectator 2690]

Not a chance.

Don't care

[FullMetalExoParticipant 2383]

I cannot be a bachelor (mgtow) and married at the same time.

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