Can I Be Married and MGTOW? My Intro

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Victoribus Spolia wrote:

Can I Be Married and MGTOW?

Hello and welcome!

You can certainly be a website member and are welcome here. But “can a married man be MGTOW”? No, because sharing your life with your beloved wife is the very antithesis of “going your own way”.

It’s not a personal opinion either. A marriage contract simply doesn’t permit it, and isn’t conducive to “going your own way’ at all.

Victoribus Spolia wrote:

Well, the site says it best: “Happiness is a man who protects and cares for his family, goes forth and conquers, gives of himself for a greater cause, and ensures his legacy – because that’s what he was made to do.”

That’s an extraction from “The Manosphere” page and it’s a lead-in to a much larger meaning and explanation.

–>> “what man was made to do”.

MGTOW is a move AWAY from that.
He doesn’t care what he is made / expected / programmed to do.

A salmon is made to swim upstream in the greatest struggle of his life just to spawn. But if he had the CAPACITY to ask why he is made/expected/programmed to do it, he might look around and say “f~~~ this noise” and decide it simply isn’t worth it.

You can piece together more on your own, but that’s about the gist of it.

“Man was made.” — Period.
Beyond that, what the MGHOW does is HIS choice now.

A man is not required to accept what society would say he his “made to do”. Because he has the capacity to hold himself in higher esteem. I was not “made” for the sole purpose of creating another.

I was made. The “purpose” is whatever I create and decide it is.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

Anonymous wrote:

Only 28 and FIVE kids.

Oh man, I see big divorce rape down the line.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKK!

That’s not going to be a divorce rape.

That’s going to be like having a Battlestar Galactica-sized teddy bear cactus traveling half the speed of light rammed up his ass like a dildo. I think I’d rather enlist in the Peshmerga and participate in house-to-house fighting against ISIS.

At least the lifeless carcass that would result would at least be viewed heroically. Can’t say the same thing after a contested custody case involving 5 or more children.

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[It’sallbsParticipant]

this is bulls~~~ shed have the cops on you quicker than you could blink.

I don’t think this is the place for you.

PistolPete wrote:

Victoribus Spolia wrote:

Bingo. But should I remove myself from my marriage as it stands now without proof of adultery? The Bible seems to forbid that too….Just curious since you are a Bible-believing Christian and MGTOW…thought?

No I concede the possibility exists that a woman could possibly live by God’s law—but let us recall the second sin—in the garden of Eden—who f~~~ed up there? Yeah the woman.

I’m not proposing that you sin (dumping wife/family) to pre-empt the possibility of her sin (failure to submit to your authority/and or adultery)

But I think it will happen. the societal pressure that creates in a woman a feeling of entitlement is a seed that will grow and grow and ultimately destroy everything you have worked for. Know this. when it happens we will be here for you.

As an aside–the TRADCON perspective is not going to sell well on the site believe me I know. We have a crew of militant atheists that swoop down and crap on anyone expressing faith or a belief in God. So just so you know and won’t be surprised.

It has to be said I do believe religion to be nothing more than mind control by rich people sitting on golden thrones whilst the homeless remain homeless

http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

[HermitParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

I only hang out with married dudes if theyre not pussy whipped.
So..are you pussy whipped?
Why are you here?
To be with the in crowd?
Sorry, I dont get it.

Exactly my thoughts. Young, married, big family…… Why would a person like that want to be on this site? What advantages would there be? Again I say bulls~~~.

The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

[Anonymous 6]

Keymaster wrote:

Victoribus Spolia wrote:

Can I Be Married and MGTOW?

Hello and welcome!

You can certainly be a website member and are welcome here. But “can a married man be MGTOW”? No, because sharing your life with your beloved wife is the very antithesis of “going your own way”.

It’s not a personal opinion either. A marriage contract simply doesn’t permit it, and isn’t conducive to “going your own way’ at all.

Victoribus Spolia wrote:

Well, the site says it best: “Happiness is a man who protects and cares for his family, goes forth and conquers, gives of himself for a greater cause, and ensures his legacy – because that’s what he was made to do.”

That’s an extraction from “The Manosphere” page and it’s a lead-in to a much larger meaning and explanation.

–>> “what man was made to do”.

MGTOW is a move AWAY from that.
He doesn’t care what he is made / expected / programmed to do.

A salmon is made to swim upstream in the greatest struggle of his life just to spawn. But if he had the CAPACITY to ask why he is made/expected/programmed to do it, he might look around and say “f~~~ this noise” and decide it simply isn’t worth it.

You can piece together more on your own, but that’s about the gist of it.

And this often happens to fish who swim upstream…

[Victoribus SpoliaSpectator 51]

Untamed wrote:

You’ve been shielded from feminism due to your geographical location.
Let’s say you believe what you’re writing here today, what makes you think you can identify with the rest of us? What anecdote have you read or thought you grabbed at to make you think MGTOW is about married guys living an anachronistic kind of lifestyle seemingly bubbled from the rest of us?

My geographical location? I don’t live in the sahara….wtf?

I won’t deny i have been shielded to some degree, but I guess i’ve seen all the s~~~ that has happened to my buddies in their marriages and my studies have also confirmed that there is a serious problem with modern women and the modern west. I am actually really interested in the MGTOW philosophy more than anything. I think what MGTOW represents a rebellion against the Gynocentric system and I am of the opinion that in rare circumstances married men can rebel against gynocentrism if their own marriages are fundamentally patriarchal.

But this is why I asked, because there are some dudes who seem to be of the opinion that it is impossible to be married and MGTOW because men are always disadvantaged, even in patriarchal marriages because the patriarchal role is itself a stereotype against men. This seems to imply anti-natalism that I cannot accept. I believe mankind was designed to conquer and dominate through the propagation of offspring and patriarchy.

I’m also on politicsforum, so yinz can look me up there under the same handle and pic.

"I came here to chew bubblegum and kick ass, and i'm all out of bubblegum."

[HermitParticipant]

Untamed wrote:

Victoribus Spolia wrote:

Untamed wrote:

I’m not here to qualify you.
I know why I call myself MGTOW, do you?
Seems to me you have a happy life with a happy wife – for now – so why do think you’re MGTOW?

Well, I believe that we live in Gynocentric society because we extended political and sexual opportunity to women despite the fact that they are biologically disqualified to do so in virtue that they lack the same rational capacity as men. Because of their take-over, women have opened the borders for migrants to come in and f~~~ them because they have effectively neutered men through a feminized legal system and education system. For this reason, it is perfectly rational for a man to not marry women because it is financially and legally dangerous to do so. At the same time, I believe that unless there is a patriarchal revolution, our civilization will be conquered by a patriarchal-foreign society (such as the muslims).

For men who are already married, I believe they need to psychologically force their women into submission and orchestrate circumstances to alleviate their legal disadvantage. I think traditionalist Christianity has really helped us, but so far our common political anti-feminist activism has also been helpful. Both very pro-life, anti-contraception, and anti-women’s rights because of our Christian background, MGTOW just made sense and is full of great inputs on hypergamy, the wall, the fiction of the NAWALT, etc.

You’ve been shielded from feminism due to your geographical location.
Let’s say you believe what you’re writing here today, what makes you think you can identify with the rest of us? What anecdote have you read or thought you grabbed at to make you think MGTOW is about married guys living an anachronistic kind of lifestyle seemingly bubbled from the rest of us?

Very good question indeed.

The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

[UntamedParticipant]

Victoribus Spolia wrote:

But this is why I asked, because there are some dudes who seem to be of the opinion that it is impossible to be married and MGTOW

I wouldn’t call Keymaster some dude, the Man has all the respect I could ever muster.
He said it best:
How can you Go Your Own Way when you’re married? You ain’t.
You’re welcome as a member but I’m not expecting you to relate to the stories we bring to this forum.

Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!

[Anonymous 54]

Not buyin it.
This is somebody up to something.

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

Victoribus Spolia wrote:

But this is why I asked, because there are some dudes who seem to be of the opinion that it is impossible to be married and MGTOW because men are always disadvantaged, even in patriarchal marriages because the patriarchal role is itself a stereotype against men. This seems to imply anti-natalism that I cannot accept. I believe mankind was designed to conquer and dominate through the propagation of offspring and patriarchy.

I’m also on politicsforum, so yinz can look me up there under the same handle and pic.

I became aware of MGTOW when I was married, sometime I think after the ex cheated with the 2nd person (of 4). So I didn’t consider myself MGTOW (as if labels matter) but I internalized a lot of red pills and started making plans before she decided to leave herself to go live with dude #4.

She’s gone, so now I’m MGTOW.

But it doesn’t matter what anyone thinks that man and marriage was “intended” to do or be. What matters now is that marriage is a state-sanctioned and state-governed institution.

All she has to do to f~~~ you is leave and file for (no-fault) divorce. OR make the “One Phone Call” to 1-800-DIAL-A-GUN and guys dressed in blue will come take you away.

As a society, women only have as much power as men have chosen to give with them. The problem is that within this society, a husband only has as much power as a wife is willing to give him and she can change her mind at any time and revoke it.

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[Victoribus SpoliaSpectator 51]

Not gonna a lie…..getting my ass kicked pretty hard on here. But I can’t doxx myself to prove that i’m not just bulls~~~ting and what would that accomplish? There are people on here that probably work for the media looking to out “misogynists.” So if i’m not qualified to be MGTOW, then how would yinz advise someone like me to proceed given my situation? So yes, I am more of a TRADCON TRADLIFE kinda guy, so now what?

"I came here to chew bubblegum and kick ass, and i'm all out of bubblegum."

[It’sallbsParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Not buyin it.
This is somebody up to something.

I agree 100% I did think it was a blue pill mangina troll.

However it is TUNA.

http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

[It’sallbsParticipant]

Victoribus Spolia wrote:

Not gonna a lie…..getting my ass kicked pretty hard on here.

Yes and you’re enjoying it arn’t you sweetcheeks.

Giving you gina tingles isn’t it treacle.

Quick old sage slap her ass she’s about to squirt.

http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

[UntamedParticipant]

Victoribus Spolia wrote:

So if i’m not qualified to be MGTOW, then how would yinz advise someone like me to proceed given my situation? So yes, I am more of a TRADCON TRADLIFE kinda guy, so now what?

Go love your wife, make children and drink lots of wine.
Come back when life slaps you in the face and the wifey kicks you in the b~~~~.
See ya.

Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!

[HermitParticipant]

Victoribus Spolia wrote:

Not gonna a lie…..getting my ass kicked pretty hard on here. But I can’t doxx myself to prove that i’m not just bulls~~~ting and what would that accomplish? There are people on here that probably work for the media looking to out “misogynists.” So if i’m not qualified to be MGTOW, then how would yinz advise someone like me to proceed given my situation? So yes, I am more of a TRADCON TRADLIFE kinda guy, so now what?

Without all the bulls~~~ you’ve already shoveled, can you just plainly say, why you want to be here?

The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

[Anonymous 6]

If by your own words, you have such a perfect life. Pursuing a Doctorate, with 5 happy healthy kid, and a wife who won’t nag you, then why are you here??

Seems like you possess nothing that would indicate this site being a necessity. Which is why it seems kind of odd. Everybody is gaining up on you because it seems like a lie. You literally have no reason for being here, yet here you are. Now if there is more to the story, then we are all ears, but i’m sure you can understand everyone’s concern.

[Victoribus SpoliaSpectator 51]

It’sallbs wrote:

Yes and you’re enjoying it arn’t you sweetcheeks.

Giving you gina tingles isn’t it treacle.

Quick old sage slap her ass she’s about to squirt.

Now your really turning me on….i love it when you talk dirty to me.

"I came here to chew bubblegum and kick ass, and i'm all out of bubblegum."

[It’sallbsParticipant]

Hermit wrote:

Victoribus Spolia wrote:

Not gonna a lie…..getting my ass kicked pretty hard on here. But I can’t doxx myself to prove that i’m not just bulls~~~ting and what would that accomplish? There are people on here that probably work for the media looking to out “misogynists.” So if i’m not qualified to be MGTOW, then how would yinz advise someone like me to proceed given my situation? So yes, I am more of a TRADCON TRADLIFE kinda guy, so now what?

Without all the bulls~~~ you’ve already shoveled, can you just plainly say, why you want to be here?

tuna attention whore thats why its here

http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Victoribus Spolia wrote:

I won’t deny i have been shielded to some degree, but I guess i’ve seen all the s~~~ that has happened to my buddies in their marriages and my studies have also confirmed that there is a serious problem with modern women and the modern west. I am actually really interested in the MGTOW philosophy more than anything.

It’s not really a “philosophy” at all. Its’ a very tangible and sensible individual lifestyle choice – very grounded in REALITY.

Compared to other mentalities floating around, it may seem like a “philosophy” because they are steeped in relative truth. MGTOW are more fundamental seekers of absolute truth.

Victoribus Spolia wrote:

I think what MGTOW represents a rebellion against the Gynocentric system and I am of the opinion that in rare circumstances married men can rebel against gynocentrism if their own marriages are fundamentally patriarchal.

That’s SECONDARY at the most.

For example, I am not primarily a “rebel against gynocetrism”.
Self preservation and sovereignty first.

When “gynocentrism” presents itself and gets all uppity in my stuff, it had better look out, because I will bulldoze through that s~~~. Thats’ the difference. the MGHOW prime directive is not “going/raging/fighting against” anything… because he doesn’t need to.

All that’s required for gynocentrism to FAIL AT MY FEET is a simple refusal to subscribe to it.

Victoribus Spolia wrote:

But this is why I asked, because there are some dudes who seem to be of the opinion that it is impossible to be married and MGTOW

It IS impossible.

“Sharing your life with your beloved wife” IS the very anti-thesis of MGTOW.
Previously explained above.

Victoribus Spolia wrote:

I believe mankind was designed to conquer and dominate through the propagation of offspring and patriarchy. …. This seems to imply anti-natalism that I cannot accept. I believe mankind was designed to conquer and dominate through the propagation of offspring and patriarchy.

Well then take a moment and consider that you may be totally wrong.

Mankind wasn’t designed to conquer and dominate through “the propagation of offspring” because 60% of all men who ever lived on Earth never had kids. Mankind did FAR BETTER THAN THAT for the sake of all humanity . . . . and conquered and dominated the insurmountable forces of nature in other ways.

60% of all men who ever lived never had kids. Yet we are the ONLY species on the planet that has the capability of deflecting an extinction level event – because of men.

But stand back, because it gets better . . . .

The asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs hit the WORST POSSIBLE place on the planet. 30 seconds sooner or later – and mankind may not even exist. You would not be here at all. So you were NOT “created for the purpose of having kids”. It’s just a bodily function.

You were created as a result of an accident. A cosmic fluke.
If it happened again, the next dominant species might be walking fish.

“Man was made” – Period.

The next choice of what he does, is now up to HIM.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 13]

At 28 with 5 kids and claiming it’s all about just keep her controlled and popping them out makes you sound like a smug idiot.

No offence intended, just how it comes across.

The bigger issue is when the kids stop popping out, they are a little older, she’s bored and had a life time of drudgery etc etc.

38 for her will be a whole different ball game to the one you think she’s happy playing now.

And we still light years away from 48.

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