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As much as it might be nice or convenient to have some random thot to blow off steam with, you have to remember that ANY of them can ruin your life,
Thanks, I needed to hear that. Dude, I’m 32 as well. In fact, I almost fathered a kid at the same time your kid was born. The kid was due in Spring 2013, conceived in 2012. The single mom who I was dating go prego by me. She “miscarried” but I know good and well she purposely botched it somehow. I got extremely lucky, not that I wouldn’t love that 5 year old son and want to spend every second with him. I was almost you bro, similar stories that took a fork 5 years ago.
but all men want sex.
Not true. Almost all men enjoy sex, but that’s not the same thing as wanting it. Desire and appreciation are separate.
This is the first thing women are taught.
So it’s especially disconcerting to one when she finds out you don’t want her. And then she will do everything in her power to fix that.
Trying to understand women’s thought patterns are like sweeping sand off the beach
Thought patterns? You’re assuming they actually think about this. That’s a mistake.
Female sexual behavior operates far below the level of thought. It’s completely instinctual.
Basically I need her automatic, unconditional surrender and loyalty as well as for her to give up her muffin without hesitation if I so please to take it.
Need? There again you’re making the same mistake by needing anything from her.
Not true. Almost all men enjoy sex, but that’s not the same thing as wanting it. Desire and appreciation are separate.
As men im guessing everyone here can relate/understand what you describe there Gravelpit – that is some straight talking wisdom right there from sidecar in his comments which may help.
If you really want/need to have sex then be straight up about it and you will likely get it. Dont get her pregnant.
Although I am monk mode the past few years – in hindsight in my case I let my desire for sex/women unnecessarily control/take up time and portions of my life over the previous years and that was at least partially due to my lack of knowledge on this subject. Now when desire is there I can let it pass/choose not to – maybe that is partly due to being a bit older or maybe I just got it out of my system…I also think what I went through and have learned puts sex in a quite different perspective from how I saw it say 10 years ago. I also understand and have experienced the past few years that (for me) there is benefit in celibacy (I am not saying it is for everyone).
As a general comment – This website and intelligent perspectives from men on here about female modus operandi and their s~~~ storms really helped me to start putting female created s~~~ vortexes behind me and see such things more the way they really are. Thanks again to those men and Keymaster for this website.
Feminism was funded by bankers/politicians to create more taxpayers. MGTOW IS FREEDOM https://archive.org/details/mgtowisfreedomblurayready
Thought patterns? You’re assuming they actually think about this. That’s a mistake.
Female sexual behavior operates far below the level of thought. It’s completely instinctual.Thanks Christopher and Sidecar for your valuable insight. I wasn’t trying to be contrarian in previous posts. I’m trying to understand women and myself better. Thanks gentlemen
I know I’m sort of dabbling in PUA nonsense here. But I cant lie. I stumbled into mgtow after a few short term relationship women ran me over. I have limited experience. I got emo-wrecked by women in my 20’s so I pretty much hated them for that and went my own way.
I guess I’m just peeling back layers of onion and learning more. Thanks. I like the part Chris said:
If you really want/need to have sex then be straight up about it and you will likely get it. Dont get her pregnant.
This makes sense. Women are kind of dumb, they are not going to be able to read me. I should come out and say it early on, that I want sex and physical intimacy. They are the ones playing mind games, I do not need to be passive aggressive or illusive because they don’t understand.
Need? There again you’re making the same mistake by needing anything from her.
It’s tough for an amateur “meta/beta” guy like me (I hate to use those terms but aren’t they true in a way?). Trying to play it off like I don’t ‘need’ sex from her is like swimming up a waterfall. It’s easy to talk about this over here, but once she’s next to me and the chemicals are literally doping me into a simpleton mind-state, ….well, there you have it…that is how they control men.
Perhaps this is how men ultimately get NFG attitude around women that conveniently gets them laid all the more easier. Once you’re jaded by enough rejection and hate the bitches enough through being aged… they can see you don’t want them, and then the change happens that you described:
she finds out you don’t want her. And then she will do everything in her power to fix that.
No worries GP tho yeah it does kinda sound like you are dabbling into PUA.. she can be part of your plans (not dependent needs!) or not either way who cares. Sidecars comments are v good imho.
I should come out and say it early on, that I want sex and physical intimacy.
Once its in the plan early at least that way if its not happening you can quickly move on and not waste your time. Note I know next to nothing about ‘pick up’ I never went out to ‘pick up’ – it was never my thing or interest and still definitely is’nt. If I liked a girl it happened ‘naturally’ – i’d soon tell her I have some attraction for her or take em out – if it wasnt reciprocated so what.
We are all in different personal situations. Do what works best for you. Or just go an see an escort and move ON with life. Yes MGTOW is not PUA. If you end up with a GF and get hooked to the sex chemicals the danger is you go through all the crap and pain that thousands of guys on here have posted about. Peace out and good luck.
Feminism was funded by bankers/politicians to create more taxpayers. MGTOW IS FREEDOM https://archive.org/details/mgtowisfreedomblurayready
Thanks, I needed to hear that. Dude, I’m 32 as well. In fact, I almost fathered a kid at the same time your kid was born. The kid was due in Spring 2013, conceived in 2012.
My kid was born spring ’13. Karmic justice has been with me this last couple months. She’s under the wheel of fortune right now and I’m a free man.
Cupcakes are Cold. MGTOW is Absolute Zero.
“Let us wait a little; when your enemy is executing a false movement, never interrupt him” –Napoleon Bonaparte, 1805I know I’m sort of dabbling in PUA nonsense here.
Those PUA fools have everything exactly backwards. They are the worst sort of pussy beggars, and they don’t know that beggars can’t be choosers.
Trying to play it off like I don’t ‘need’ sex from her is like swimming up a waterfall.
Naw. Don’t play off anything. You have to actually not want anything from her. It’s not about giving them no f~~~s. It’s a matter of having no f~~~s to give them in the first place.
but once she’s next to me and the chemicals are literally doping me into a simpleton mind-state,
You need to decide if it’s you or you dick that’s in charge of your life. Paradoxically, the best way to do this is by spending as much time around women as you can, but with women for whom your dick has no desire, so you can objectively observe their behavior. Familiarity breeds contempt, and soon enough you’ll know in the bone, as it were, that All Women Are Like That.
Or just go an see an escort and move ON with life.
^this.
If your hormones are f~~~ing with you that badly, drain them off. And use the opportunity to pay close attention to how the whore behaves. AWALT.
If you end up with a GF and get hooked to the sex chemicals
That’s just it right there. They need to get men hooked on their pussies, because they literally have nothing else to offer men. So like any dealer, if a hoped for potential customer has no interest in their sole product, they’ll start throwing free samples at him in the hope that he will become hooked.
Don’t get hooked.
While on the subject.
My last sexual encounter was in 2015 and before that it was back to 2013. That makes it one time in the last 5 years.
I have been on a religious sabbatical. My fathers spirit is real as rain to me and he is strong with much virility.
In my own spirit as the son. I may as well be impotent.
I have found lust to be emotionally driven, and it was necessary for me to enslave every emotion possible..
(sorrow cannot be conquered)instincts have been removed from most humans through extreme domestication.
Domestication is taming and training.
What most females want to do to males.My father trained me to be an undomesticated man.
Not uncivil and crude, but with just what training is needed
so as to live minimalistic.Love and respect to all.
I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.
I wish I could get some sex. I think my problem is that I can’t hide the fact that I don’t give a s~~~ about women’s opinions and I will not take s~~~ from them or do what they say. And when I do care about a woman
Well this one needing some Yam’s advice here (his Mgtow or redpill knowledge) and that is simply put is that women respect you more (the way they can) if you show to them that you do not give a s~~~ about them or their opinions and you are open about it. Terms like i really care about your opinions or you taking her opinions into consideration put women in a state of dryness in line with White knights and other Simps.
Why women would wanna f~~~ you more is simply that they know you are not simping because you do not care of women walk away or don’t wanna deal with. I deal with people all the time who cannot deal with Yam, Yam is far too real to them and they walk away but more get closer then walk away.
I end up falling in love REALLY FAST, like within hours or days of seeing her, then she gets smothered and quits and I feel very low emotionally.
She quits because she is getting smothered and you show that sign to her (you are open in smothering her) either way the sexy way to smother her is with a pillow or a blanket but not with kisses (and no i am not recommending you go out and smother women to death).
The women are just unapproachable; to call them boring, narcissistic, vain, dumb and pretentious is a vast understatement.
The problem is that you are thinking more like a man and trying to project that onto a woman (who is generally not capable of being what project onto them). Women no matter what century or decade were boring, narcissscitic, dumb and pretentious even when men could have control over their wives (meaning not the FE or the Feminist Era).
And I’m definitely not wasting my time following around a woman and paying for s~~~, begging for pussy, just to be friend zoned.
Asshole men get laid more then regular men yet do not need to pay for s~~~ or to beg for pussy.
Just an east coast asshole who likes to curse, If you get offended by words like fuck, cunt, shit, piss, bitch or any racial slurs then you just scroll down.
Welcome back Brother!
Yep, I am similar to you in some ways. I enjoy the ride for a bit and flee away once the word “relationship” is uttered by any she. Been doing this for nine years, and I have never been happier. Press on!
F~~~ing cancer girls and deaf chicks, that is not such a bad idea.
And I felt guilty for focusing on elderly, wealthy, and with a bad cough….
I don’t know how I forgot to respond to this.
Perhaps this is how men ultimately get NFG attitude around women that conveniently gets them laid all the more easier. Once you’re jaded by enough rejection and hate the bitches enough through being aged… they can see you don’t want them, and then the change happens that you described:
Naw. Rejection by women doesn’t cause men to lose all f~~~s to give them.
Success does.
The man in the middle of a desert is thirsty for water. The man in the middle of the ocean can take it or leave it.
Also hating them is giving f~~~s about them. Women don’t care if they get good attention from men or bad attention so long as they are the center of attention. It’s indifference they can’t handle.
Asshole men get laid more then regular men yet do not need to pay for s~~~ or to beg for pussy.
Asshole is a label women apply to men based upon their own feelings. It has nothing to do with him whatsoever.
Anonymous3Feminism has cycled through civilization all through history. I suspect what happens, and we have the records that indicate this too, is that after feminism takes root it destroys civilization through a combination of reduced birthrates and no social cohesion, so there is an aging demographic of men that just don’t give a f~~~ and will resist being pressured into it, and then the whole thing fails and resets as only men and masculinity can ever build anything in the first place.
But maybe this time is different. Everything is worldwide now. It’s not like one empire can fail and the rest of the world can just go on as normal. This time around, everything is completely connected and thought is pretty much the same everywhere. The only way I can see anything change now is with a massive war and massive destruction taking place, which odds are afterwards most of us won’t be alive so it’s still not our problem to rebuild society after.
But maybe this time is different. Everything is worldwide now. It’s not like one empire can fail and the rest of the world can just go on as normal. This time around, everything is completely connected and thought is pretty much the same everywhere. The only way I can see anything change now is with a massive war and massive destruction taking place, which odds are afterwards most of us won’t be alive
Google the Bronze Age Collapse. It’s very educational.
so it’s still not our problem to rebuild society after.
Ya, f~~~ that. For myself, I’m planning on signing on with the Sea People.
The problem i find is that the fun and nice times women provide is extremely fleeting. Enjoyable sex and at times decent company always comes at a price of her expectations of putting up with emotional s~~~. I don’t find one night stand particularly pleasurable or satisfying. It’s easier to jerk off. Stds, false allegations or the difficulty of removing a stalking narcissistic monster from your life are very real issues. The problem with being thirsty is you don’t yet understand how worthless the golden vagina actually is. You should categorically expect a woman to bring more than her smelly genitals to the table. When you have seen enough of the damage a woman can do in your life you will naturally start to not care about them, which attracts them. But ironically when you reach that point you will no longer care whether some bimbo sucks your dick, buys you drinks and meals, puts on her best chameleon act because it’s all bait and a s~~~show.
If you fall down 7 times, get up 8
The problem i find is that the fun and nice times women provide is extremely fleeting.
Which is why you only have one around for the fun times. The instant she tries to drop some s~~~ on you, ninja smoke the f~~~ out of there.
But maybe this time is different. Everything is worldwide now.
The only hope I have for this time being different is that the electricity stays on. If we keep power running somewhere, we have never in all of human history had such stores of information and maybe, whoever comes after us will be able to learn from our over-documented mistakes.
Wait for digital archaeology to be a thing. People will be buying old flash drives off new-Ebay just to see what’s on them. “Oh my god, can you believe they PAID for bottled water and bottle caps? Holy s~~~ this story about a dude who thinks he’s a female werewolf in a dragon is the most hilarious political satire I’ve ever read! What do you mean it’s not satire–nobody actually believed this s~~~, right?”
Cupcakes are Cold. MGTOW is Absolute Zero.
“Let us wait a little; when your enemy is executing a false movement, never interrupt him” –Napoleon Bonaparte, 1805Just buy a doll.
Cupcakes are Cold. MGTOW is Absolute Zero.
“Let us wait a little; when your enemy is executing a false movement, never interrupt him” –Napoleon Bonaparte, 1805The only hope I have for this time being different is that the electricity stays on.
It won’t. You don’t want to know the house of cards our power grid is.
whoever comes after us will be able to learn from our over-documented mistakes.
Naw. They are completely and utterly f~~~ed. How are we going to extract ourselves from the next dark age when all the easy to get oil and coal has already been used up?
Really it boils down to there being no point in living. A man’s biological purpose is to chase and impregnate women. When one rejects that lifestyle by choice there really isn’t much point to existing other than to pursue hobbies or build wealth. But then again those only fill the gap temporarily. Going out to dinner, vacationing or spending day after day by yourself eventually gets old. You’re damned if you do and your damned if you don’t.
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