Avoiding Child Support before kid is born?(Ontario Canada)

[Branched offParticipant 10928]

There are worse things you can do to yourself than knocking up a woman. Based on my own experience, I would not go telling young men to avoid unprotected sex. I would tell them to avoid sex with 95+% of all modern western women full stop. They are unworthy of your seed and why waste your time and resources to get to squirt your seed in a rubber bag inside a piece of trash. You deserve better.

Some are maybe worth the rest. There are no unicorns and all women can hurt you but if you see a good enough one, why not? Reproduction is why you are alive after all and if you think you are a human being worth making a half copy of and you think she is worth being the other half, go get yourself something good. Its a risk but men are good at taking risks.

However do protect yourself. Set out from an early age to foster your own autonomy financially. Make your finances opaque and private. Never boast of money to any female (its so much more fun when they despise you for being low value when you may not be). Never make yourself hostage to a woman through marriage or letting one live in property you own. Find legal vehicles to hide your money behind. This is what the rich do in daily life and there is no real reason why a lot of it is not accessible to ordinary guys.

A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own

[AutoliteParticipant]

Branched off wrote:

Its a risk but men are good at taking risks.

Divorce rates and the results of divorce would seem to soundly refute that…

[Branched offParticipant 10928]

Autolite wrote:

Branched off wrote:

Its a risk but men are good at taking risks.

Divorce rates and the results of divorce would seem to soundly refute that…

Nice one mate. I can’t argue with that.

Women are our Achilles’ heel it is true. Still for those who do not wish to die without issue there is no other way but to tangle with women. Men are good at taking risks but risks can hurt you. Do not marry, whatever else you do, do not ever do that. In this modern age marriage is not needed to get access to a womb, so it is an unnecessary risk. If you do not marry and you refuse to do anything illegal for a woman, you are into the zone of fairly low risk of harm. Unless she kills you or gets Chad to kill you, the risks are limited to child support and suicide. Most men are not suicidal types and there are ways to limit avoid or mitigate a lot of child support issues if you plan ahead.

I just don’t like to see men pushed so far that they are too afraid to do the one things they were given b~~~~ to do. I know these are really hard times for manhood but don’t let the bitches grind you down.

A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own

[SwimcatParticipant 3589]

Two things from this wise old owl.
1. Start preparing now. Find a lawyer and find a way to make more money. Enough money can solve just about any problem.
2. Don’t do anything that could get you in criminal trouble. You can always make more money, but once lost, you can’t get time back.

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

The only successful escape I have ever seen from the hypothetical situation you describe is the path of becoming worthless as described above. A woman who sees pregnancy and a child as a guarantee of assets and prizes (from you) will have deep emotional reasons for clinging to the pregnancy. Because in addition to the financial incentive, it also feels good to ‘win’. A woman who sees pregnancy by you as a mistake that will saddle her with a giant liability and reduction in her quality of life will feel that she has made an error and lost something. The most powerful motivator for many women (especially the horrible ones as you mention in your hypothetical scenario) is for other women to tell her she has made a mistake, and should try again with some other wealthier guy from whom she can more reliably extract all the cash and prizes she is anticipating. Becoming a loser in the eyes of her peers will make her a loser in their eyes as well. It’s most likely she doesn’t care about you, or the baby or the people who have to earn the money to pay for those government benefits she will feel entitled to get. But she cares about herself, and she cares what other women think. Become a loser in the eyes of her female peers and they will take it on as their responsibility to convince her to abort or put up for adoption in order to ‘protect’ her from the damage to her life that will result from having the kid of a loser like you. She may have to give up the emotional benefit of feeling like she ‘won’, but she will get the emotional benefit of being ‘rescued’ from you by the hive.

As I read back over what I just wrote, it seems pretty screwed up. And it is. It’s so screwed up that even in my 50s, after having seen all the crap that I’ve seen in those last 5 decades, it’s still hard to look at. But that’s the world we live in.

From the sound of it, you won’t really have to lie much to take this path. You can tell her the truth about your finances and that it’s not likely to improve. If you make very little money, and they take half in child support, then she is going to either have to get a job and be a single, working mother, or she is going to have to support herself and her kid on half of very little money. She may be anticipating that your child support is going to be a lot more than it actually is. When she finds out that it wont be as much as she is anticipating, you might find that this pregnancy magically disappears, miscarries etc…

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[Branched offParticipant 10928]

Brain pilot has made a very good point above -what the hive thinks is very significant, possibly most significant.

Don’t be “an arsehole” in the hive’s eyes because she is entitled to fight an arsehole to be strong and independent and the hive will back her. Be a loser doing his best but his best is not good enough and the hive will mock. They hate mockery.

When she mentions child support (or even better if one of her friends does), tell her you want to get child support right and you will lay bare all your finances to her. Be really open sounding not guarded, so as to not flip her into combative mode. (Keep back all you can from inspection of course, if it ever gets that far. Check you local laws but you probably have a legal right to not be forced to disclose things without a court order or something. You are not talking to a government agency or under oath but to her informally at this stage. You can’t hide your main salary but your assets, investments and cash work are another thing). A good tip is that my escape from this situation was I think greatly expedited by the fact I had other children. When I was told “but that’s peanuts” I was able to say “Yes of course I would like to give you more but who would you like to take it from?” If you do not have other children and cannot magic any long lost children up from anywhere, maybe you have serious gambling debts and are on a harsh repayment schedule set to last a decade or something?

Essentially you want the hive to be in wonderment that she could be so unlucky or dumb to get knocked up by such a useless man.

Just because you are useless does not mean that you do not intend to demand a full say in how the child is raised to the maximum extent the cuck state permits a father. (This ain’t much but it will clip pumpkin’s wings particularly if she is a bit unusual and want to feed the child a vegan diet or something). She won’t want to be forced to cooperate, even compromise, with a loser. Its pointless and shameful for her. You may be thinking “Well I don’t want to be involved in the child’s raising so why should I say I do?” Well you are thinking like a man who honorably sticks to his word. You are dealing with a woman. You are trying to manipulate a manipulator who has been given a lot more power in this situation by the law than you have. Think like they do. She can promise anything and then change her mind after a single argument she created out of thin air (that has happened to you at some point right, I am sure it will have). You know you could do this too if you had to.

In order to be a really infuriatingly incompetent loser, be late to ever meeting you have with her and often find you have no money in your wallet, particularly if you have said you will buy her something. Don’t argue with her just apologise but do it again. How many women who have a child for which a man pays little to no child support say “He was useless, there was just no point having him in my life”

Swimcat is right more money will solve anything but it never hurts to be the one in control of that money while others believe you do not have it.

Also if you can get left out of her life from being useless and then she does later come after you, the longer you legally delay (by bungling ineptitude)the point at which you get to having a legal arrangement that says you have to make a payment, the more you have saved. Sure you will get stung for the remaining years but every year, even every month you get off is a bonus and you would be well advised to invest the money from that year’s savings against possible future payments. The moment you come legally obliged to pay -do it at once. You do not want to ever be in a situation where you are breaking the law or owe back payments that may be claimed through legal action, possibly with associated costs and interests. The state is not your friend. Work around it do not cross it.

A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own

[MonkParticipant 16985]

BrainPilot wrote:

… and they will take it on as their responsibility to convince her to abort or put up for adoption …

You forgot the other common option.

Dump the loser, take the brat and go looking for a dickstand (usually some immature idiot captivated by the thought of becoming an ‘instant dad’).

[AutoliteParticipant]

Branched off wrote:

If you do not have other children and cannot magic any long lost children up from anywhere, maybe you have serious gambling debts and are on a harsh repayment schedule set to last a decade or something?

One tactic that I’ve heard about is collecting and saving discarded lotto tickets out of the trash bins from your local gas bars. If you should ever need to go to court to establish your degenerate ‘gambling problem’, presenting a mountain of losing lottery tickets might do the trick…

[kbbroilerParticipant 886]

Dude did you really think anything out what might happen before you got into this mess? You’re f~~~ed. There is no way around it. I live in Ontario as well and you are f~~~ed. Obi-Wan can’t even help you. So unless you have a Delorean and can go back to the future and warn yourself not to do it you are f~~~ed.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Deny everything. Don’t sign ANYTHING. The life you had is over. Your career is over. It’s time to salt those fields. You need to make certain she knows further association won’t result in any monthly checks, but will only fu​ck up her future prospects.

Then, after she’s cut her losses and had the abortion, pop smoke and ghost.

It’s your only hail mary option.

CuckSniper wrote:

Please don’t give me s~~~ for not wanting to pay or any of that moral good guy crap.

I’m not going to give you any moralistic sh​it.

But I am going to give you sh​it for being a stupid, STUPID fu​ck.

She lied to me about not being able to get pregnant because “her vagina is broken/medical complications”.

And you believed her? They always lie. Especially when they’re trying to trap a man’s wallet.

Which is why you should lie to them right back about not having a vasectomy.

And not having a vasectomy was your first mistake.

I really don’t want my life to be ruined because of child support.

You should have thought of that before.

If I have to pay it, that’s like half my income.

A couple hundred on a vasectomy is so cheap in comparison, now isn’t it?

For those wondering, the child support she would get wouldn’t go to her kids.

“KidS“?

As in more than one? As in she was already a single mother when you started fu​cking her?

A single mother tells you she “can’t get pregnant”, and you fu​ck her anyways? Since you ignored all those warning signs, it’s unlikely you’ll take heed of any advice we give you. Real talk, I don’t think we can help you, because you can’t fix stupid. At best I think you can be a sad warning to other men.

[Joey AlfioParticipant]

Sniper, was she by any chance much older than yourself? You mentioned her having kids and knowing her age you probably felt confident enough to do her raw. Either way, we constantly say women will manipulate and lie whenever they get the chance so this was on you for knowing better and getting some damn proof about her medical condition. Your second mistake was thinking due to her bulls~~~ condition it could never happen to you — and it always damn well happens to people who think like that! I hooked up with plenty of milfs and even when they tell me their eggs are good no more I never f~~~ them without a rubber.

This makes me believe that you spent all this time in a single mother household without getting any confirmation or you met her recently and believed her BS and took your chances for pleasure over the consequences that could follow suit.

Since Ontario is draconian to the core, the best advice is to get the f~~~ out of the country or play along and become a father figure for your kid so that he/she doesn’t end up becoming another travesty of the single parent epidemic. There’s really no other way around this. Some members will even tell you to look for legal loopholes but in a country like Canada where the laws are thoroughly feminist and the PM is a feminist f~~~ himself you’re as good as screwed.

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[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Joey Alfio wrote:

getting some damn proof about her medical condition.

You can’t trust any such “proof”.

This makes me believe that you spent all this time in a single mother household

NO SINGLE MOTHERS.

NO EXCEPTIONS.

How many times must it be said?

At this point you should just learn how to be a good father.

Impossible. The moment she thinks she’s found a more lucrative chump, she’ll do everything she can to get rid of him (while still cashing his checks) up to and including putting his ass in prison under false charges.

At the point he should be doing everything he can to convince her to abort. I would also suggest faking the DNA test, but since this is Cuckistan we’re talking about, facts like DNA don’t matter anyways.

[Joey AlfioParticipant]

sidecar wrote:

Impossible. The moment she thinks she’s found a more lucrative chump, she’ll do everything she can to get rid of him (while still cashing his checks) up to and including putting his ass in prison under false charges.

At the point he should be doing everything he can to convince her to abort. I would also suggest faking the DNA test, but since this is Cuckistan we’re talking about, facts like DNA don’t matter anyways.

Sniper mentioned that she’s a terrible person, which explains why he’s freaking out so much about the pregnancy because I’m pretty sure he’s got a feeling she’s going to f~~~ him over big time. And the sad part is, she can use both him and the government regardless of how the results turn out. You are right though that he should try everything in his power to get her out of that baby rabies state.

In Ontario, even if you are not the biological father the courts can still make your ass pay. They’ll look at things like how long he has been living with her and his income.

Now if they view him as a scumf~~~ with very little income and the kid isn’t his then he could potentially walk away from the case but that’s not always a guarantee.

If that child isn’t aborted though he is 10000000000000% screwed. Hook, line and sinker.

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[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Joey Alfio wrote:

In Ontario, even if you are not the biological father the courts can still make your ass pay.

Which is why there’s no point in wasting energy on trying to game a DNA test. But he shouldn’t submit to one, regardless, since it can only be used against a man in Canada.

He needs to go fully scorched earth on this one. She is going to ruin his life with this for her own gain. His life is fu​cking OVER. So he might as well make certain it’s over on his own terms by his own hand on his own schedule. Since he’s going to lose everything, he might as well make sure she doesn’t get any of it either. Let it burn. And if he does this soon enough and thoroughly enough and blatantly enough, she may wise up, cut her losses, abort, and look for more lucrative fish elsewhere.

That or pop smoke and ghost early and get the fu​ck out of Canada.

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