Avoiding Child Support before kid is born?(Ontario Canada)

[CuckSniperParticipant 449]

Hypothetical situation: I live in Ontario Canada. I may have knocked up a female. If the kid survives the pregnancy, how do I avoid paying child support?

Please don’t give me s~~~ for not wanting to pay or any of that moral good guy crap. She lied to me about not being able to get pregnant because “her vagina is broken/medical complications”.

Just give me the best advice on how to protect my future income.

Is it in my best interest to NOT sign those hospital papers when the kid is popped out?

What happens if she claims on the paper work that I am the father?

Should I avoid all blood tests so she has no proof?

Would I win in a court battle if I deny being the father and refuse to take DNA tests?

I really don’t want my life to be ruined because of child support. If I have to pay it, that’s like half my income.

I don’t make much money and already struggle. I would seriously consider quitting my job and going on welfare/disability for the rest of my life because there is no f~~~ing point in working if half my cheque vanished to some bitch and her insane spending habits.

For those wondering, the child support she would get wouldn’t go to her kids. She would blow it all on stupid s~~~. She is a horrible person.

[Anonymous 3]

CuckSniper wrote:

She would blow it all on stupid s~~~. She is a horrible person.

This is a clear example of the little head’s thinking…

A blue pill is easily fooled by women. This proves a rec pill can be fooled to.

My advise: emigrate.

[Deadly RaverParticipant]

since you don’t make much money, it shouldn’t be as hard to go somewhere else and get a job where you make as much. I say vanish once it is confirmed that she is indeed preggy. You should’ve already cut contact, but if you haven’t………….You know what to do.

Also: Don’t bang sluts raw. Wrap before you tap. ALWAYS.

Learn from the past, Control the present, and you will know the Future.

[AutoliteParticipant]

Deadly Raver wrote:

I say vanish once it is confirmed that she is indeed preggy.

I would feign my own death and move to Bolivia. But maybe that’s just me…

[Handsome VicParticipant 1613]

Sorry for the bad news, but it’s extremely difficult if not impossible to avoid paying child support in Canada if you are the biological father. Men have no reproductive rights, and they can have their wages garnisheed, their drivers licence and passport revoked, and be jailed, if the court creates a child support order against a man and he does not pay.

A few words of advice:

1. Find yourself a good lawyer, and get yourself proper advice. You are going to have to start educating yourself on child support orders, the Child Support Guidelines, how to file for a variation in support etc.

2. When she realizes that you aren’t going to be a happy excited father, that you will fight her when it comes to support and everything else, she may choose to have an abortion. Remember, women will use pregnancy to try to lock a man down.

3. Put the onus on her to get a Child Support order and chase you down. Don’t make it easy for her.

4. Never represent that you are the father, do not sign any papers, go incommunicado with her. There have been many cases where a man has NOT been the biological father, but because he “represented himself” as the father (drove his girlfriend’s kids around, babysat, bought them presents) — was deemed to have “acted in the capacity of a parent” and was forced to pay support for kids that aren’t even his.

5. On the flip side, there are cases in Canada where a DNA test has established up front that a man is not the father, and those men have escaped the obligation to pay support.

6. You can’t just quit and go on welfare. The court will consider you underemployed and will impute a salary against you as to what they say you “should” be earning. That said, now is not the time to get a high-paying job. It’s easy for a woman to get an order for child support, and to vary it higher. It’s extremely hard for a man to vary it down, let alone escape it altogether. Welcome to the gynocentric family court system.

7. If your relationship breaks down, and you cohabited for a year or longer (no need to be married), she will no doubt make a claim for Spousal Support (alimony). This is in addition to child support.

8. As I said before, if you ARE the father, and she keeps the baby, you will in all likelihood have to pay child support. Sorry. Talk to your own lawyer.

I'm going my own way. Maybe I'll see you there.

[StealthParticipant 5330]

I haven’t been in your situation, so take my thoughts with a grain of salt. But since this all is hypothetical:
– Is she lying? Are you sure she’s pregnant?
– What are the odds she will have the kid, and is there anything you could do to change those odds?
– Pretty sure refusing DNA sample isn’t a solid option, and if it is it may be construed as admittance. A lawyer could answer this question.
– DNA test isn’t always a bad move in this day and age. A white guy friend of mine’s ugly ass gf got knocked up; she had him and maybe six other guys she had been secretly sleeping with on the hook for payments, all actively supporting her as “the father” even before the kid was due… eventually her scheme was found out and it was revealed he was not the father, before he kicked her slutty extortionist ass to the curb. Same thing happened to that guy later in life with a girl he was fukking on the side while married; she got pregnant and he decided to step up and take care of the kid and left his wife to do so. The kid turned out black.
– If you emigrate and ever come back, or if international agreements change, they will come after you for cumulative child support built up over the years, plus penalties. So if you come back in thirty years and show on the radar, you’ll suddenly owe for 18+ years or face jail time.
– If you’re going to go the welfare route, prison might be a good choice…three square meals a day and housing is covered, get to hang out with your fellow canooks who are good people.
– You could stay, pay, and push through, and likely survive.
– Better you than me!

I think if it were me, I’d:
Drive her to the clinic today and be nice about it and pay for everything.
or
Reconsider that apartment in Kazakistan I’ve been eyeing.
And
Get a vasectomy.

"Once you’ve taken care of the basics, there’s very little in this world for which your life is worth deferring." -David Hansson. "It’s not when women are mean or nasty that anything is out of the ordinary. It’s when they are NICE to you that you have to be on high alert..." -Jackinov.

[Mr. SpockParticipant 10909]

She may be gaging your reactions and movements so you have to be careful. If she suspects that you are looking for ways out it could spook her and make the situation worse than it has to be.
Contact an attorney and familiarize yourself with the alimony and child support laws. If it turns out that she isn’t pregnant the information could be handy in the future.
Make sure that she is indeed pregnant and until you find out for sure, avoid having sex with her.
Good Luck

Feminism isn't about equality with men, it's about leverage over men.

[AwakenedParticipant 35201]

MOVE out of the country if you can.

It seems drastic, but you’re in a drastic situation.

CuckSniper wrote:

She is a horrible person.

If at Possible, I would get the hell out of Canada, or at least I would just pack my sh)t and move as far away as possible. I would literally GHOST everyone, take what I could, and just drive FAR, FAR AWAY. I would make her/them hunt me down. I would rent a cheap lil room, and take a sh)tty lil job doing whatever just to TRY and START OVER.

I would get a vasectomy before I left as well, just so I didn’t fvck up again.

If the DAMAGE is done, there is NO POINT to hang around for the INEVITABLE Fall Out…..but, Hey that’s just me. Maybe, everything will work out in your favor if you hang around?????? Then again, Maybe Not????

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[Duke TogoParticipant 2664]

Threads like this make me happy I am solo.

I have said and read the same advice in many similar threads and will echo it here: never speak to that bitch again and disappear.

[Joey CusackParticipant 1044]

What Tom Leykis calls the “hail mary” technique has saved my butt more than once.

[AutoliteParticipant]

Joey Cusack wrote:

What Tom Leykis calls the “hail mary” technique has saved my butt more than once.
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That really sounds like the best option! It would have never occurred to me to do something like that. Couldn’t she still sue or take legal action afterward though? Especially after she gets the abortion fulfilling her part of the ‘deal’…

https://www.legalline.ca/legal-answers/what-happens-when-an-engagement-is-broken/

[Anonymous 3]

CuckSniper wrote:

She lied to me about not being able to get pregnant because “her vagina is broken/medical complications”.

This here is the greatest red flag, this means entrapment was her plan all along.
I am dead serious about emigration, once she finds out there is no money to be made I bet the pregnancy magically disappears.

But life is what it is. There is always a chance that she will have your child (if it is yours at all). As you request, neither I or anyone else will tell you what is the “proper” thing to do. But man! That doesn’t mean that you will not think it yourself…

This is a warning, amongst many other warnings, to all men. Blue or Red pill, women can and will manipulate you! If you allow them.
NO WOMEN IS HARMLESS! They are weaponized by nature and the gynocentric society.

[AutoliteParticipant]

Child Support Guidelines

https://www.legalline.ca/legal-answers/child-support/

[AutoliteParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

NO WOMEN IS HARMLESS! They are weaponized by nature and the gynocentric society.

Relationshhits with women are horrific liabilities. This should be a universal axiom in Western society. I’m really not sure why all men still do not know this. Staying single and completely avoiding women is today just basic survival. What is it going to take to get the message out???

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Id deny everything until they can prove definitively 9 months from now its mine.

Too many times we seen guys on here duped into paying “abortion” fees for pregnancies that never happened.

[MonkParticipant 16984]

Take note of what other posters have said. The advice given by Handsome Vic in particular – if you are not careful she can stick you with this, even if you are not the father.

[Branched offParticipant 10926]

This is a situation with which I am not unfamiliar, though I do not know the legal system in Canada.

First off -accept reality. Do not waste time trying to rage against the unfairness of it all. Its a messed up world. A lot of potential pain will be avoided if you accept that you have taken a fall and are likely to impact hard, so relax and make the best landing you can. Losing a portion of your income is not the worst thing that can happen to a man and it may happen to you. Being a father has many good things in it too.

Now having accepted that get smart. Do your research. Learn all the legal loopholes and pitfalls.

Don’t do anything rash with regard to the woman. Do not make a fight with her. Do not overtly refuse her anything reasonable. If she decides she is in some way wronged by a toxic man, she gets the power of victimhood and she will get support to chase you down. Try to understand the female mind. What attracts a woman to a man and what makes him invisible to her. Become a big loser in her eyes. Do it subtly and gradually by leaving clues as to your low value not by claiming low value. Make her think you have no money, no prospects and minimal status. It is easier to do than you think (just as it is easier to bed a woman than some realise just by being seen to possess those three things). On one occasion this alone did it for me. I went from being described as “a god” to being invisible in 4 months and was erased from her life. All because she saw me as someone who she would have to deal with and compromise with but who would bring her nothing.

Now be aware you have no control of things. She may or may not have this baby (she might miscarry as well as murder it). It may or may not be yours. Don’t commit to any huge irreversible life change to avoid child support until you see a baby born and preferably one that looks like you. However do make plans for contingencies.

If leaving the country is possible it might be a good idea but do consider and work out how to do if needed but only if the benefits outweigh the costs. What is the worst you will lose legally -find that out now? is that worse than trying to start over in another land with all the complications of health insurance and pension and such?

As to improving your lot where you are, here is where salvation usually lies. Learn from those in your country what the best dodges are. Usually it is best to have no savings -so turn your savings into portable easily liquidated possessions. One ounce gold coins is a possible starting point, Silver is very low now too, bulkier but may have more upside, however is also volatile and needs cashing out fast in a boom. Generally it is best to buy physical not paper investments but security needs serious consideration -bank vault is ideal. You could also buy stamps, quality antiques or (depending on your local laws) improve your house maybe extending it to accommodate rooms you could rent to lodgers (perhaps for cash). All these things may make your savings vanish, yet still be of use. Self employment is usually a really good idea or employment by your own limited company. Local rules will be important here but my company pays me chicken feed, I need it to live off and my government realises this. My company also invests its savings in stuff and still owes me money I lent it.

Use the precious time you have now to get smart. You may come out of it very well.

A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own

[bstoffParticipant 4863]

Congratulations!
I hope you two sweethearts are going to throw a “reveal” party!

OK.
Seriously.
Why did you raw bang a horrible person in the first place?

[Anonymous 3]

bstoff wrote:

Why did you raw bang a horrible person in the first place?

We all know the answer to that. Rare is the man that does not think with the little head when opportunity arises…

[AutoliteParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Rare is the man that does not think with the little head when opportunity arises…

That excuse is getting old. With the Internet/YouTube and MGTOW today, there is a much higher awareness of the liabilities of interacting with women than say 40 years ago.

As a young man, nobody ever warned me about the dangers of relationshhits and women. I learned everything I now know on my own in the field. And it’s just dumb luck that I was never trapped despite a woman’s attempts to sabotage my condoms and having been sperm-jacked.

To you young guys, you are being forewarned and are being made aware. Us older guys never had that. FFS heed what you are being told…

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