Are we helping females destroy us?

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

Brothers,

With Respect, only Man can can say hard things. You know me as I have posted about my autism, I ain’t no C~~~.

I have been here for a year and you Men know I’m neither a female nor a troll. I have 8 points for c~~~s punted. I’ll get more. I am a paying member here. Let me be clear, AWALT. No man should ever marry nor support a female. No man should ever marry nor support a female. Females are toxic, estrogen fueled parasites.

Now, this may not be popular but I’m going to say it anyway. Are we helping females destroy us?

My thesis is that females want gender domination. They want to turn men into an uneducated, low paid, manual labor, tax paying, slave class.

Men (young men) are dropping out of the labor market at record rates:
If Men (young men) drop out, don’t get an education, don’t get skills, don’t get a career. They work low paid dead end jobs. They are self-selecting for exactly what the females want. I know college is expensive and a poor college major choice is really bad. But these men aren’t going skilled trades, they aren’t learning skills. They are setting themselves up for being an uneducated, low paid, manual labor, tax paying, slave class, just like the females want.

Is what am I thinking wrong?

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[Anonymous 11]

I think you’re spot on.

We men are also our own worst enemies. Why do women get away with the horrid things they do?

It’s because blue pillers and White Knights enable them and allow it. For every MGTOW, twenty traitorous pussy beggars will give in to one. I don’t give a f~~~ though, because I am no longer on the Plantation. That’s the beauty of MGTOW. We’ve checked out and no longer care.

[HitmanParticipant]

you aint thinking wrong.
what men choose to do affects the entire society.
it does seem like a nightmare ,
what the hardcore feminists would do if allowed.
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i don’t think any man would go to a men’s camp, EVER.
look, young men often make poor decisions.
i’m 50+ and on the tail end of my 5th career.
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i should have been retired by now.
but the lack of good parenting,
my rebellious nature,
and no MGTOW all combined …
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i’m here like you to help younger men avoid the mistakes i made.
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marriage really is for women and gays..
it became slavery for men.
support yourself and grow strong.
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hell, go out and date..
get laid.
just be aware of the demons you play with.
bring the MGTOW knowledge to ALL you do..
( i’m not giving this advice to you Jan..)
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I’m just an old f~~~ trying to help the guys who can be saved from the hell i got dragged through.

[Anonymous 3]

Jan Sobieski wrote:

Is what am I thinking wrong?

If the status quo could be infinitely extended, you would be right.

But it is not possible to have a healthy society where the most valuable people (men) are undervalued and unused. This is very inefficient and a recipe for collapse. And things are already shaking. The next step is war: a good excuse for lowering the population’s life standards, reduce their numbers and take control of the reducing resources.

And we all know who fights in wars: men.

So there will some ass-kissing on men really soon. Women are strong and independent until anything serious happens, then they are helpless and weak, needing men to protect and care for them.

Men created this comfortable civilization, and now women think they dont need men, and proceed to the destruction of this civilization. But there was not one civilization in history that did not come to an end at a point similar to this.

[EyeswideopenParticipant 2930]

Agreed.

Going your own way does not preclude one from achieving for their own individual success or those of their loved ones (one not being a wife, girlfriend, or significant other.)

I would argue the contrary – going your own way is about attempting to achieve your idealized self; hopefully that means an educated, productive, inquisitive, tenacious and inventive man.

I too have left the plantation, never to return. That being said, I still will be a constructive force in society (as long as it last). I can appreciate the concept of withdrawing- I did myself to a limited extent. Yet I will be damned if I am going to let the c~~~s, white knights, SJW, and their ilk make me go into a cave and die.

This is my form of passive resistance to feminism. Grow, achieve and prosper. But I won’t be sharing my resources with them.

- Marriage is described as an institution. You would have to be crazy to be commited to it. -"If you want to live a happy life, tie it to a goal. Not people or things" Albert Einstein

[Anonymous 24]

Correct thinking, but the true enabler is the State who uses women to subjugate their men, and vice versa really. So, everyone who pays taxes and goes to war for the State are the true enablers of those who would, and have, made them their slaves.

A circle of s~~~ really, no one is innocent, other than those who walk away from the system.

Edit- Now that I have said this, I realize why I defended Chris McCandless and Thoreau in Pabsawake’s thread about the movie and book Into the Wild, and Thoreau’s Walden. These are two men who talked about, and in McCandless’s case, completely broke away from the State, well, as much as any man could, by walking into the wild after destroying his identity and ghosting on everyone including his family.

"Into The Wild " a life I wish I lived.

[AntipathyParticipant 4901]

Jan you make a good point but i will have to add another angle to it.

This is what is happening in Japan. The average herbivore male is either living at home unemployed. Or they are working part time and living with multiple other herbivores. You could make the point that this would be advantageous to females wanting to dominate, but what we see in Japan points to this not being the case. What females really want is men to become wealthy and give them a luxury life where they don’t have to do anything.

Of course men becoming wealthy and going their own way is great. But even if younger MGTOW’s like myself and others don’t end up being wealthy, or holding an adavnced degree .. we still aren’t giving females what they really want. What they really want is resources from the blood sweat and tears of men, given to them for free.

[RumParticipant 59]

Exactly.

As usual, what women think what they want, is not what they actually want.

If all the men end up unemployed, or low skilled / low-income or working just enough for themselves… who is going to provide for them then? Where is the state getting its money from then? Maybe that is why these single career women are so bitchy and bitter after hitting the wall… they realized they are now working and paying taxes for their unemployed sisters with kids.

But yeah, society&culture as it is today is screwed and unsustainable.

Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught falsehoods in school. And the person that dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and a fool. -Plato

[Prefer Peace to PieceParticipant 10809]

Jan,
I like your point- females do want gender domination.
They have a variety of tools to help them achieve this goal- the government, the f/u legal system, and of course their army of manginas and white knights.
I personally think a lot of ladies want to subjugate successful guys because they can extract more money/assets from them before destroying them.
But I also think ladies want to be in management positions, because they enjoy bossing men. In this role, they desire subservient men.
Eternal vigilance brother. Thanks.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Jan Sobieski wrote:

They want to turn men into an uneducated, low paid, manual labor, tax paying, slave class.

Men (young men) are dropping out of the labor market at record rates

Well then those young men won’t be laboring or tax paying, now will they?

If Men (young men) drop out, don’t get an education, don’t get skills, don’t get a career. They work low paid dead end jobs.

But a man with a little intelligence can do quite well for himself even in a low pay dead end job. It’s amazing what a man can do with very little when he only has himself to support and isn’t wasting money on women.

He really only needs a high skill, high pay job if he wants to support some woman and her kids (not his kids – the courts have made that very clear).

And working a low pay dead end job is a hell of a lot better than working a low pay dead end job while hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt, which is all that most college “educations” are good for these days.

They are self-selecting for exactly what the females want.

Oh no. That is most definitely NOT what women want. Listen all their whining. Women’s biggest complaint isn’t that some men are still getting useful educations and lucrative careers. No, their biggest complain is that most men aren’t. They are screaming bloody murder that men aren’t getting educations and working hard and putting themselves into debt to become “husband material” for women to leech off.

See women want men to become educated high earners. They just want to be able to spend what those men earn. They want to be able to tell those men what to do. And they can’t if men, wealthy or not, Go Their Own Way.

But that is not our problem.

[Anonymous 25]

I agree. It’s best to take the wealth you do have and invest it in improving your own ability to earn (rather than spend it on depreciating assets like women do). Whether through entrepreneurship or learning. We hear stories that college and university is bad, but there is distance learning and apprenticeships. There’s ways to do it without being around women. If I had to do it again, I would pick a stem field where few women select careers.

I do think we should start helping men. Whether manginas or not, the way forward is to set a positive role model that we don’t sell out our fellow men for pussy and we go out of our way to help other men. In time they will see and follow the lead. I would buy from a man over a female and I would employ a man over a woman. I only give to male charities too. If just 16,000 men do this, it will make a huge difference.

[Anonymous 42]

Anonymous wrote:

society where the most valuable people (men) are undervalued and unused. This is very inefficient and a recipe for collapse.

Is this not what we’re WITNESSING in EVERY Western feminized nation?

50 150 years of this s~~~ is enough!

Jan, you and everyone else here is DOING the right thing! We are starving the beast of feminism by alienating female control and altered destiny of our lives! Jan, you are EXACTLY where you need to be, your thought cement is logical and able the stand the most extreme pressures thrust at you from such a sick and demented society.

Antipathy wrote:

What they really want is resources from the blood sweat and tears of men, given to them for free.

Hey RT, it’s way past time to give a solitary social f~~~ what women want and to shield yourself from each and every one of their desires, 150 years they’ve been getting what they want and never in the history of man have men been made so miserable by this new paradigm created and brought to us my none other than women.

It’s long past time to tell them to Go F~~~ Themselves LOUD AND CLEAR! My personal handling of the situation? All women and whatever they have to say has been packed into a shipping container covered with FOD clause stickers slapped all over it, and addressed; RETURN TO CREATOR!

[WallyParticipant]

I think you are spot on, men took on the impossible task of trying to please women, which cannot be done. Slowly but surely- Morlocks and Elo, with the exception being MGTOW but let’s face it we are a small segment.

"what a waste of a life, to marry, give up your freedom, just for the hope of not dying alone. Don't get married Son."

[BoarParticipant]

Jan Sobieski wrote:

But these men aren’t going skilled trades, they aren’t learning skills. They are setting themselves up for being an uneducated, low paid, manual labor, tax paying, slave class, just like the females want.

Bullseye. Add in automation and the future for unskilled men becomes very bleak indeed.

Untamed wrote: Quit complaining and Go Your Own Way in whatever manner suits you best.

[Zuberi TauParticipant 10606]

Western civilization is destroying itself “without” our help.

[xlrsnbrgParticipant 1786]

Jan Sobieski wrote:

My thesis is that females want gender domination. They want to turn men into an uneducated, low paid, manual labor, tax paying, slave class.

Your problem is that you’re trying to figure out what women want.

Like the matrix kid said, do not try and bend the spoon, that’s impossible. Instead, realize the truth. There is no spoon.

It’s impossible to figure out what women want. We could try to make a list, but that would be pointless, as it would be too long and change all the time.

Not even women know what they want. I’ve seen here reports of studies showing that women in our current feminist society are much less happy than decades ago when society was more conservative.

Anecdotally, all my girlfriends told me that they’re finding it difficult to reach a decision on most issues, and when they do, they are in doubt most of the time afterwards.

As for feminists, they have their plans for an utopic society where all women are science geniouses and CEOs. They also have a lot of good intentions for women. But you know what it is said about the plans of mice and (wo)men and the road to hell… I think feminists have no clue what they’re doing on long term and their effects. They’re either going to fail (we already see feminism becoming less popular among women), or if they don’t, they’re probably just going to end up as useful idiots, taken advantage of by some future totalitarian regime. The only thing that would be in their advantage now is to maintain the current status quo. Women have it pretty good nowadays, and the economy cannot take much more damage. But in their greed I’m not sure they see that.

A man shouldn't make his life's objective to be on the side of the majority, but to avoid finding himself in the ranks of the insane. (Marcus Aurelius)

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