Are all men good and all women bad?

[Anonymous 3]

In these discussions about the differences between men and women the overall impression is that the following statement is made.

All men are good and all women are bad.

As everything, some men are “good” and others are “bad”. The same way, some women are “good” and others are “bad”. But what exactly constitutes a “good man” and a “good women”?

The classic interpretation is:

Good man – a man of honor, word and loyalty, that provides and leads his family, instilling and upholding values at his house.
Good women – a women of honor, word and loyalty, that cares for his family and respects her husband.

This is not my interpretation, it is the vows made at the altar of marriage. I am not even using the words “obeys her husband” that used to be norm.

Now, I am sure that we can find many men today that would fit that category and agree with the definition. So the majority of men would be good under the old definition.

And I am equally sure that most women would not agree with this definition and call it retrograde or patriarchal. So much so that they have endeavored to change what means to be a good man and a good woman. But the consequence is that the majority of women are not good under the old definition.

So, in my interpretation, the definition in our days is:

Good man – a man that loves, obeys and respects his wife, providing for her and the family, but somehow finding time to be always present.
Good woman – One that does not kill the husband or the kids (I dont know, it doesn’t seem to be a requirement).

This interpretation just states that being a good man is an impossible task, while being a good women is supposed to the default condition.

So, this thing of interpretations is bulls~~~. We are left with what is to be a good human being.

In my view, a good human being is one that brings and tries to bring the possible happiness into the lives he touches.

Under this definition, most men will try to make their women more happy. On the other hand, I dont see most women doing the same thing for their men.

Obviously it is not totally possible to make a woman happy, because she is fast in destroying anykind of wellbeing to create emotional drama.

But at least men try. Women on the other hand just make the necessary effort to trap the man, and are fast to drop any pretense of caring for his happiness.

So, unlike present day society that say “all man are bad and all women are good“, we have personal proof that the opposite is more close to the truth.

And so much is the truth that we dont see women staying away from men. I mean, if men are so bad, why do women want anything to do with them?

On the other hand, MGTOW and many men no longer want anything to do with women. I mean, if women are so good, why do men want to stay away from them?

So, the proof is in the pudding. They want our pudding, we dont want theirs.

What do you think is the good one?

[Solo MAN’S WisdomParticipant]

Read my custom signature for the percentages.

When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.

[Silverstone the SecondParticipant]

I’d say it has less to do with good or bad and more about nature. Women are naturally consumers, men are naturally providers. Who needs whom here? Women need men to produce for them.

Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.

[Anonymous 3]

Silverstone the Second wrote:

I’d say it has less to do with good or bad and more about nature. Women are naturally consumers, men are naturally providers.

True.
Yet under my definition, being a consumer or provider would not affect if you are good or bad.

I wont mind providing from my wife, it actually feels natural and enjoyable. I want to make her happy.

But my wife, even consuming my efforts, doesn’t care one iota about my own happiness. To put it using someone else’s signature, it is easy to please a man: feed him, f~~~ him and appreciate him.

[Anonymous 42]

Are all men good and all women bad?

Yup!

Is this not what each of us has discovered?

Or must we go out and rediscover what we already learned?

Rain comes from the sky and yes AWAB!

[ComputernerdParticipant 465]

Anonymous wrote:

I wont mind providing from my wife, it actually feels natural and enjoyable. I want to make her happy.

I almost barfed when I read that, but to each their own.

As far as the whole good/vs bad thing, as Silverstone said, it has more to do with nature than morality.

Most women only care about one thing and that’s their resources. They don’t care how they get it, who they have to screw over to get it, or how many men they f~~~ over in the process of getting it.

They just want attention and resources. That’s all they care about in the end.

Most men on the other hand, don’t employ the same tactics women do to get their resources. Most men would rather earn them legitimately rather than being a gold digger/whore/leech.

[Anonymous 16]

iTS NOT GENDER.. ITS THE PEOPLE, THE SOCIETY, ITS ALL OF US.

We all have become… EVIL. People is rotten.
maybe we always have been but life was hard back then (fake it till you make it). But things today got too easy. our lifes are not in the line anymore.

Before whe had to take care of each other to keep the comunity strong or we all die.
Since long time now you can go solo. you can GYOW if you want.

Here are my 50 cents… Have you realised when a natural disaster happens people help each other and stuff?
You think is couse they are good people? NOOOOO
Its selft preservation mechanism, there is strength in numbers. The more of us survive the more people to reconstruct, the more chances our species survive.

There is a movie called THE HUMAN RACE look for it. Good example.

Women are bad. Men are bad or worse.
Power corrupts people. Women got the power now and they are getting full of worms.

[Blue SkiesParticipant 15665]

Anonymous wrote:

I wont mind providing from my wife, it actually feels natural and enjoyable. I want to make her happy.

tbh
you sound like a white knight

MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.

[bigboy83Participant 11312]

Our job is to reject the c~~~s behavior.

Not if men and women are good or bad.
That’s for the social justice f~~s to decide.

Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.

[Anonymous 16]

Anonymous wrote:

I wont mind providing from my wife, it actually feels natural and enjoyable. I want to make her happy.

Do not kill the guy will ya.
Its true, its our nature, its our instinct, we are men, we are providers, warriors, protectors, our very genetic code is programed for that, sheed the blood to every drop if it can make mud out of earth to stop our enemies.

we are going against our genetical code here guys. Couse we are more inteligent and are getting over our primal needs. but its still there, supresed, controled, but its there, we all have a day we feel weaker and the NAWALT make us think, but then we wake up and remember the truth.

Do i mind providing for a woman if she is devoted to me? NO not at all.
Will i find that women? No not at all.
Will i try to find it? NO WAY IN HELL. life is too short to spend chasing ghosts.

[Anonymous 22]

The vast majority of the western men that I have seen, are just normal, while the vast majority of the western women seemed to have some type of mental issues… whether it’s insecurity, jealousy or just plain stupidity.

Here in Thailand, I ‘actively’ avoid white women.. it’s good that most of them are just tourists. Usually they pretend to be something special, something different, but no way. I already know what they’re up to. They can take their silly head games back to the western world.

[DauntlessParticipant 403]

Men aren’t inherently “good”, and likewise, women aren’t inherently “bad”. It’s a personality trait. It just so happens that the modern woman has decided to embrace her sociopathic nature, which is why men are going their own way.

Pardon me for saying this, but this smells like trollbait.

"To live is to suffer; to survive is to find some meaning in the suffering." - Friedrich Nietzsche

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22521]

“Are all men good and all women bad?”

Hell no. Not even close. I know men that are worse than some of the worst c~~~s mentioned on this forum. There are a few women I know personally that are decent people.

Experience has taught me that most women and many men are so emotionally immature that it is not worth associating with any of them.

[Anonymous 3]

Blue Skies wrote:

ZenState wrote:
I wont mind providing from my wife, it actually feels natural and enjoyable. I want to make her happy.
tbh
you sound like a white knight

No. I am a former white knight in MGTOW rehabilitation.

I always said that I was a beta provider, white knight. I am no alpha and will never be. That makes it impossible for me to have relationships, I am still trying to get out of this one!

It is better to state what I am no longer, than to pretend what I am not.

I used to believe in feminism! I used to think women where so innocent and kind creatures. I used to believe marriage was for life.

I am not ashamed of that. I had all the good intentions, it is not my fault that I was deceived by society into believing this.

But even a thick headed like me eventually learn, just out of shear misery.

Computernerd wrote:

ZenState wrote:
I wont mind providing from my wife, it actually feels natural and enjoyable. I want to make her happy.
I almost barfed when I read that, but to each their own.

As far as the whole good/vs bad thing, as Silverstone said, it has more to do with nature than morality.

Yes, I understand that it would make you want to barf. But unfortunately I am psychologically “old school” and the provider is strong in me.

I have to learn new tricks, and that is hard for an old dog.

But returning to the argument. I did not talk about morality, since I am not really into dualism (good/bad).

I say that under the definition of “who cares about the happiness of the other” the natural human tendencies are indifferent. It has more to do with empathy than anything else.

But as the “masculine principle” says: men care about women, women care about kids, and not the way back.

[Anonymous 42]

Anonymous wrote:

we are going against our genetical code here guys

I’m not sure about that, I’m starting to think our “nature” is to f~~~ a woman that’s in heat because she selected you to f~~~ her. Then go your own way.

All the muddy waters of chivalry have dried up here in the ruthless cold desert of feminism. I’m starting to think f~~~ and dump is more in line with natural order.

I’m a modern man reeducated by feminism and it’s smashing of everything known and unknown. Everything shattered to pieces.

The last thing I want to do is provide jack f~~~ing s~~~ to a woman! They’ve taken enough! Time for the little piggies to f~~~ off and die!

Yesterday I answered a woman that said “you look familiar” with “No”, the no just blurted itself out to cut her off at the pass, she could have turned to solid stone and I couldn’t be happier.

I didn’t do my low opinion of women to myself, they did it for me!

With high self esteem, a logical evaluation, and proper devaluation on women, a man in this climate of misandry and man slander can’t loose!

Honest to god value of a modern women is to dump them without ever f~~~ing them!

No pump, take the shortcut safe road and just DUMP!

[~BSParticipant 3266]

isn’t there an old saying, “behind every bad man is a shrieking harpy bitch woman”. I’m pretty sure that’s how it went.

"He didn't marry until now, so he won't ever do it. Think about it, why would a man like him ever marry? It's too late to catch him. " ~some cunt

[Freeman_KParticipant 3524]

All men are good and all women are bad.

No, this is an absurd notion.

The choices we make, not the chances we take, determine our destiny

[Anonymous 3]

Dauntless wrote:

Pardon me for saying this, but this smells like trollbait.

No problem. A man has to explain his own when necessary.

I am not trolling, while I might be a bit outside myself for lack of sleep (night shift).

The intention of this post was to put in context the underlying idea present in most posts, where we criticize women.
The assumption of an outside observer would be that “we hate women”.

My take is that there are good people and bad people in every gender.

However, if we drop the societal mindframe and take a more personal definition of “what would make someone good to me”, then we can look at behaviors and classify them accordingly.

Obviously I had my share of problems with male friends, but certainly I have more complains about females.

And then I can generalize it: most men will feel the same.

So, I am actually supporting the notion that we do not hate women, we only speak of our bad experiences. Under these experiences and that definition, most (if not all) women are bad for us.

[GrumpyParticipant]

TL;DR version.
Its environmentally dependent IMHO

Personally?
I honestly don’t know, nor can I state unequivocally who is or isn’t good or bad regardless of gender.
I believe I am a fairly simple human being, I give as good or as bad as I get. Sometimes extreme reactions are warranted depending on the individual and the circumstances involved.
Usually I am fairly neutral with people in general. However I can make up my mind about things relatively fast and am willing and able to live with the consequences.

When it comes to interactions with people I will respond with actions or words that are anywhere between benign or malevolent, again it depends on the situation. Sometimes my interactions are not what was expected by the other person/people. I rarely roll over and take s~~~ from people, is is that a good or bad trait? I don’t know its just the way I am.
These days I get the impression that “good” means controllable and able to be manipulated by others, and bad means the former is not true.

I’ve always heard that the road to Hell is paved with good intentions. I just decided that I am going to try another route and possibly end up someplace else.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[Anonymous 3]

Grumpy wrote:

These days I get the impression that “good” means controllable and able to be manipulated by others, and bad means the former is not true.

This is why I am here, for wisdom like this one. Thank you for putting into words this.

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