anyone here quit smoking?

[mikaalParticipant 6]

I relapsed into smoking. My conviction is lacking and I wanted to know if there were any techniques besides exercising and nicotine patch’s to curb the cravings?

[RoyDalParticipant]

Cold turkey.

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[….Participant 305]

I did like Roy Dal…cold turkey…I think the most important thing is the DESIRE to quit…if you don’t really want to, no patch will help. Check out the Surgeon General’s  (US) report on smoking…smoke contains 7000 chemical and chemical compounds that change DNA…it’s not just tobacco anymore.  For me, smoking doesn’t pass the cost /reward test. It’s very expensive and makes you feel like s~~~  (kinda like most women).  It’s hard to quit but not impossible.   Best of luck to you!

[Yellow WizardParticipant 41]

I was able to quit smoking after 20+ years, but I don’t know if my technique will work for you.

I quit drinking alcohol five years ago using a technique called Addictive Voice Recognition Technique, or AVRT.  The technique worked on my smoking just as well.  If you google either AVRT or Rational Recovery it will take you to the site.  It’s free.

When you get there read and understand the model they have for the human mind.  They talk about “the Beast”, or the subconscious part of your mind that controls your overindulgence in things that your body and mind enjoy.  Sex is a thing the Beast enjoys, so in the psychological model your primitive mind hijacks your brain when you get aroused.  It is an instinct that has kept the species alive, so it’s hard to overcome.  Alcohol and cigarettes act in much the same way on your primitive mind, according to the model.  When something is that “good” your lizard brain just doesn’t understand the damage it can do.

Anyway, what you end up doing is making a commitment to yourself to quit drinking (or in your case, smoking.  Or for a MGHOW, pussy).  You then promise to notice your “addictive voice”.  Whenever the “beast” tries to hijack your reasoning centers and convince you that it’s a good idea to light up, you automatically recognize it and basically tell the beast to go to hell.  You might think of smoking dozens of times a day, but you make it a habit to dominate your own mind every time.  AVRT reminds me of meditation practice, where you try to clear your mind of all thoughts.  When a thought enters your mind during meditation, you recognize the thought and then just let it go and continue to focus on your breathing. Eventually it becomes a habit to never lose focus on your breathing at all.

My description hardly does the process justice, so you should check it out yourself.  The most helpful part is the Crash Course and all of the slides.  It takes dedication, but eventually your lower brain gets so accustomed to being shot down every time you get a craving that it stops bothering to even try.

Just remember—no matter what society says, you and your health are NOT disposable.  And unless you can limit smoking to the occasional cigar during special occasions (like the native Americans did with ceremonial pipes) then smoking is disposing of your future time, health, and happiness.

Also know this–that when you kick the habit, Mikaal, you will feel power and confidence over your own mind.  You will know deep inside that you have strength and force of conviction.  That feeling is WAY better than any nicotine buzz.

 

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I don’t like cold turkey myself, because I believe it contributes to bingeing. With alcohol too. I say (and you probably won’t like it) but when you really REALLY want one… have ONE. And that’s it. Cut it right out until the next time you really want ONE. Just do that for as long as you can stand it and you might phase it out completely and stop wanting it without realizing it.

The desire just “fades away”.

I was out with a single mom a few years ago – yeah I know, don’t say a f~~~ing word (nothing ever became of it anyway) – and she REFUSED to have a drink even when she really wanted one. Said she was a recovering “wino” and used to drink from her kid’s sippy cup to hide the fact that she was drinking wine. Denial. I asked her… so why don’t you just have ONE???

She said, because then she will have 5.

I said no. Just have ONE… wen you really want ONE…. and leave it at that. Then you’re not going through your life denying yourself these mini pleasures. What’s the point in living? If you want ONE… have ONE. If you want a piece of cake, have HALF. If you want a burger and fries, eat HALF. Mostly it’s about the ONE and not the FIVE anyway. You just wanna taste it, you know? I know you know what I mean.

It also prevents you from having tell everyone “I quite smoking”.. and then if you ever cheat and have one, everyone thinks you’re a weak f~~~ing asshole who can’t keep his own word. F~~~ that. Make no promises, and nobody can vilify you. It’s like any relationship, really. If you don’t “commit”, there is no messy break up.

You know, you can smoke one or two a day and your doctor will never know. Neither will your body. That’s a fact. There are 100 other things you do in a day (like speeding in your car) that are more likely to kill you and are bad for your health than a few good drags.

And if it’s really not what you wanted to hear, then this message will self-destruct in 5 seconds……

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 42]

I have to agree with everything here, I quit 3, maybe 4 times, each time I quit, I got better (practice makes perfect). By the last couple of times I was able to go cold turkey, drinking and women too, oh yea, women beat the f~~~ out of my reward center, narcotic effect on me. but smoking is nasty, smells like s~~~ after about 6 mos of being quit. every once in a while I’ll smell cherry pipe tobacco at a fair or flea-market, smells nice, but cigarette and cigars are revolting.

Booze is just too damn destructive to me, I quit drinking the day I turned my lawn and yard into a golf course, 18 holes. Wasn’t thinking I could twist my ankle on the cut PVC pipe I used for the holes. I did allot s~~~ load dynamic f~~~ load of stupid s~~~ drinking, I’m lucky nobody died, especially me. Drinking is BAD news.

I tried cocaine a couple of times, until my friends and I went in on an 8ball, by the next day, it was GONE,,,,,F~~~ that s~~~, up all night laughing till sunrise, and working that day, cheeks and stomach hurting from laughing, hungover drinking beer too; all week feeling like s~~~! that s~~~ canceled it’s self out for me.

[constraints_theoryParticipant 43]

ill tell you how i stopped smoking i would smoke one cigarette every hour. if i missed the hour by one minute i wouldn’t go out and smoke id wait until the next hour was up. if once again i missed the window of opportunity i would have to wait. eventually you will catch that opening cause you want one so bad but over time you start wanting it less and less. to the point you can go all day without wanting a smoke. an older man i used to work for suggested this because that was how he had stopped. it worked for him and it worked for me it might just work for you. ive been smoke free for a few years now. but gotta set boundaries and follow thought with them because i believe smoking isn’t so much an addiction as it is a habit. get into a car light up, go out side light up hanging around with some friends light up even if i already had one i would light up! haha ridiculous!

but when you really put things into perspective it boils down “cost/benefit” and for me it wasn’t worth the $7.14 a pack anymore and as many above have already mentioned not only is it expensive but you have to want to stop smoking in order to stop. temptation is always there but damn it beat that bitch back! haha

good luck man

 

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[bren_hParticipant 0]

I am a smoker of 15 years now (started when I was 30 how dumb eh !!) and have tried to give up numerous times the longest is a year with Alan Carrs Easyway to stop smoking (google it) and that was the best way.

You actually do a 6 hr instructor lead classroom session and if you are still smoking there are two different followup sessions available in the next three months.

If you are still smoking after 3 months you get your money back no questions asked.  Very high success rate and quite painless.  In Australia its $580 for the 3 sessions with the money back guarantee which for me is the equivalent of the cost of 6 weeks smoking at my rate of consumption.  I am a very heavy smoker and patches and gums etc just don’t work from me and I am planning on psyching myself up and doing the Alan Carr method again in the next few weeks.  I think its on the 15th of this month and will keep fellow MGTOWS posted !!

http://allencarr.com/24/usa is the US site and it’s all over the world as a big chain type thing (it started in England years ago).

cheers,

Brendan H.

Level 3 MGTOW.

 

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

Mikaal,
I’m a doctor specializing in cardiac anesthesia for high risk heart surgery. I see smokers who want to quit as a routine part of my practice. I won’t bore you with all the health risks you’ve already heard. But I can share some insights with you that may help.

As you are probably already aware, the addictive component of cigarette smoke is nicotine and it is very hard to quit once addicted to it. Addiction specialists have told me that getting people off of nicotine is similarly difficult to getting people off of heroine. It is enormously addictive. This is the bad news.

The good news is that nicotine, by itself, is not that dangerous. Make no mistake, nicotine is not candy. It does have its risks. But compared to the overall risk of inhaling cigarette smoke, the fractional risk of nicotine in that smoke is small. When you read about cigarette smoking causing all kinds of diseases and early deaths, the nicotine is responsible for only a very small part of that damage. It can be a little confusing because most things that are highly addictive, like heroine and cocaine, are also highly destructive to your health. Nicotine is kind of a special case because while it is highly addictive, by itself, it is not responsible for the enormous amounts of damage attributed to smoking.

The reason that cigarette smoking is dangerous is because of several thousand very toxic chemicals that occur in tobacco smoke along with nicotine. These other chemicals are not addictive at all and you won’t miss them or have any cravings or withdrawals from them when you stop inhaling them. But they are toxic and they are taking decades off the lives of people who ingest them. So, if you were smoking cigarettes and inhaling nicotine and nothing else, it would not be the enormous cause of concern that it is now. The point of all this is that it means that if you could separate out the nicotine from the cigarette smoke, you could get the same daily does of nicotine with only a tiny fraction of the risk of getting that dose of nicotine from cigarette smoke.

Basically, I wouldn’t tell you to stop drinking water. But if you were drinking it from a ditch, I would try to steer you to a cleaner source of water. What I’m doing here is telling you that if you find it impossible to quit nicotine altogether, that you can still eliminate the vast majority of risk associated with smoking cigarettes, by just switching your source of nicotine to patches, gum, filters, inhalers… whatever you want really. Any of them is a cleaner source of nicotine than cigarettes.

The source you choose should depend on the way your system normally sees nicotine arrive. If you wake up in the morning and smoke one cigarette at 9am, another at 11am, another at 1pm etc… then you can start with nicotine gum at 8:45am, another at 10:45 am, and another at 12:45pm. The nicotine in gum takes maybe 15-20min to arrive at your brain after you start chewing. Your brain doesn’t care the path of ingestion of the nicotine, only the dose and schedule of arrival. If you’re late with delivering the usual dose to your brain, you’ll get the withdrawal symptoms… But as long as you’re on time, you brain’s physiology doesn’t care how it was sourced.

If you are someone who smokes a cigarette at random times, but when you need one, you need it RIGHT F~~~ING NOW!!!… then you would be better off with one of the inhaled nicotine sources. These deliver nicotine to your brain about 10-15 seconds after inhaling it. If you are already in withdrawals when you realize you need a cigarette, you aren’t going to be able to wait the 15 minutes it takes for gum to make its delivery. Part of the reason that relapse rates with smokers trying to quit are so high, is that smokers who go cold turkey will go for as long as they can without a cigarette and then decide they can’t go anymore and they need one “RIGHT F~~~ING NOW” or they are gonna strangle someone… At that point, a cigarette (or other inhaled source) is the means that will deliver nicotine to your brain the quickest…and the cigarettes are usually the most available, and most familiar source. If you don’t know wether or not you are one of these types of smokers, ask your family and other people in your environment…they can tell you if you are…LOL)

If you’re one of the people who wake up in the morning and just chain smoke continuously throughout the day, you will probably be best served by just putting on the patch at night before you go to bed. You won’t wake up already in withdrawal, and will never have the nicotine levels in your blood falling below the point at which symptoms of withdrawal occur. These patches take a couple hours to begin their delivery of nicotine to your brain, but then work all day long and deliver a steady, continuous dose. You can just change them out over 24 hours.

If you can quit nicotine altogether, great! Do it. But if you can’t, ANY other source of nicotine that you can find that works for you will eliminate more than 90% of the risk of cigarette smoking in order to get that same dose. In addition to eliminating the risks of the things that naturally occur in burnt tobacco, you can also eliminate the risk of the pesticides and herbicides that are sprayed on American tobacco fields. More on that in another post if you’re interested…

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[lightParticipant 9]

I went cold turkey the day I joined the army. I used to smoke like 20, 30 a day. Cigarettes contain so many toxins. I usually motivate myself by thinking about that, just the fact that they contain arsenic trioxide, that you literally inhale down your lungs, should be enough to put you off.

[harpo-my-“SON”Participant 2410]

grandpa smoked hand-rolled PA until diagnosed with lung cancer died less than a year later at 55 years old.

Dad smoked until diagnosed with same thing less than a year later dead 1 month before his 57th birthday.

I have some motive reasoning behind choosing to gain control over my self destructive vices. cigarette Smoke free since 2013

As KM mentioned having just one should not hurt. and not liking cold turkey.  I reward myself 3 times a year with a premium (purchased from a walk in humidor) cigar. I don’t allow myself to directly inhale this but puff a good cloud around me. I enjoy this treat on my birthday international mgtow day, thanksgiving and new years day..  I am planning a trip to Colorado soon and wont deny myself, if I feel the urge to sample the local, now legal hemp.

 

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

[Vector VikingParticipant 413]

I switched to vaping about a year ago and haven’t had a cigarette since Memorial Day. Was a smoker from age 14 to 39. I started using 24mg/ml ejuice and am now down to 3mg/ml. Have saved about $3k in that time frame, even buying the “expensive” rebuildable atomizers and mechanical mods.

[WolfgarParticipant 21]

It all depends on motivation.

My dad decided after 30 years of multiple packs a day that he needed to quit.  He quit cold turkey and never went back.

My best friend however took more of a push.  He ended up in the ER with bilateral pneumonia, lungs filling up with fluid and then coded 5 minutes after getting to the ER.  Full CPR was performed.  I witnessed the whole event.  My friend is 400+ pounds and they had a 200+ pound guy on top of him doing chest compressions.  I had never seen anything like it before.  Never want to see it again either.  After waking up in the ICU (after 4 days) he asked the nurse what happened.  I’ll never forget her answer.  She looked down into his eyes and said “you died.  Don’t ever smoke again.”  That was 3 years ago and he hasn’t touched a cigarette since.  No patches or gum, he just stopped.

Part of the problem I have seen with cigarettes is the multiple thousands of chemicals that were mentioned in an earlier post.  You can’t get the whole truth from the government but even they admit to a possibility:
Our findings indicated that more than 100 of 599 documented cigarette additives have pharmacological actions that camouflage the odor of environmental tobacco smoke emitted from cigarettes, enhance or maintain nicotine delivery, could increase the addictiveness of cigarettes, and mask symptoms and illnesses associated with smoking behaviors.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2040350/

They admit that some of these additives “could increase the addictiveness of cigarettes”.  Let me translate that for you from government speak, chemicals ARE added to cigarettes to MAKE them more addictive besides the nicotine.  This is the same concept as adding MSG to most foods.  MSG makes you want more of whatever it is that you are eating.  The manufacturers reap all kinds of financial gains at the expense of your wallet and body.

If you need to ween yourself off of cigarettes one way might be to “stuff” your own.  Buy the tobacco by the 1 pound bag and the tubes with filters attached and a stuffing machine.  Then every time you want a cigarette you have to break out the gear and stuff one before smoking it.  This might slow you down a bit, but it will at least make you think about it every time you want one.  The monetary side effect is huge.  Unbelievably cheaper to do this than prepackaged cigarettes.  My friend did this for several years prior to the hospital scene.  He switched to a “natural” tobacco which had fewer chemicals in it.  After some time of doing this he would notice that he would get headaches after smoking a name brand cigarette.  So we both figured that the “natural” tobacco was a step in a cleaner source of nicotine as mentioned by BrainPilot in an earlier post.

(When my friend was “stuffing” his own the tobacco he would get what was called all purpose cut tobacco or pipe tobacco.  This was about $20 per pound versus cigarette cut tobacco at $70+ per pound.  The price difference was due to the government taxes on cigarettes and cigarette tobacco but not on pipe tobacco.)

Just some thoughts from a nonsmoker.  I hope it helps.

[RoyDalParticipant]

I too have lung problems, so I do not smoke. Mark Twain did smoke all his life — it was a long one — but he smoked only pipes and cigars, not cigarettes. That brings me to this fact: Cigarettes are jam-packed with dangerous chemicals added on top of the tobacco and paper that makes them up. Let’s keep in mind that tobacco in itself is a proven destroyer of health, and when they add a bunch of carcinogens and poisons, then you’ve really got a witches brew.

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[Anonymous 9]

Day 4 tobacco free, going cold turkey.  Smoker for 42 years, a pack a day.  The first 3 days are hell with me. Upset stomach, chills, sweats.  A pack of 25 smokes here in Alberta is over $15.00. Most of which is tax. I really don’t believe the government wants people to quit. They would be loosing all kinds of $$$. Last attempted quit lasted 3 months. I would still like to utilize vitamin M, electric lettuce. Might have to invest in a vaporizer.

[LiveFreeParticipant 172]

I’ve been smoking since I was 18. At 42, now, I smoke 2 packs a day. Been thinking about quitting lately but I worry about the relapse. I’ve just started working on a new project and cannot afford to fall sick.

For every man truly going his own way, some woman, somewhere, has to pay her own way through life.

[The ShrikeParticipant 147]

Chantix is amazing.  I started smoking in my early thirties and smoked for about 10 years.  I tried patches, gum, cold turkey and one other medication but none of them stuck.

With Chantix I didn’t read the instructions (instructions?  WTF) and didn’t start out my dosage correctly, but after 3 weeks I noticed the cigarettes just didn’t taste like anything and didn’t do anything so I sat down the one I was smoking and haven’t picked up another one in 8 years.

I was afraid I wouldn’t be able to drink, play video games, enjoy my morning  cup of coffee or other triggers.  Three days after I put down the cigarette i decided to testy it and got drunk as hell and fired up WOW.   Still didn’t want a smoke!

I was amazed at how well it worked.  Even now I feel like I cheated since it should have been much more difficult.

[WolfgarParticipant 21]

Chantix is something that I would never take.  Like a lot of drugs, mainly in the antidepressant category, Chantix changes brain chemistry.

Serious neuropsychiatric events including, but not limited to, depression, suicidal ideation, suicide attempt, and completed suicide have been reported in patients taking Chantix.
Address : <http://www.drugs.com/pro/chantix.html#S6.1&gt;

There is little doubt that Chantix has worked well for many. However, others have reported suicide, attempted suicide and aggression—as well as vivid dreams, behaviors and other symptoms that are either foreign to the individual, or a magnification of existing symptoms that were manageable prior to starting the Chantix regimen.
Address : <http://www.lawyersandsettlements.com/articles/chantix/chantix-suicide-side-effects-39-14191.html&gt;

Be very careful and get informed if you go this way.

[qeeqoParticipant 1168]

I quit when I had a heart attack. I figured I would be in the hospital for at least 3 days, and the actual nicotine withdrawals last about 3 days. So I knew I would suffer it out in the hospital, but I was given patches. I just knew I couldn’t go back if I wanted to live. That was 4 years ago. So maybe try going somewhere for 3 days with no access to cigs like camping, and make sure you’re completely occupied. Resolve is the biggest element. It worked for me.

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

It is true that you can’t really count on the government to be all that ambitious about you stopping smoking. The tax benefits to the government are huge, but only partly visible to the average person.

A few years back, the government of England commissioned a study to see what the effect would be if they could eliminate smoking completely. In England, since it’s an island so far north that essentially all their tobacco is imported, it would be more realistically possible to stop the population from smoking. If the government just refused to allow it’s importation, that would pretty much do the trick. Since the whole country is on the same socialized health system, and the government has access to everyone’s medical records, all the costs and benefits could be calculated.

The government actuaries mined all the data, and did all the calculations and came back with their findings. What they explained to the English government was this: In the short term, the government would lose enormous tax revenues from the absence of the tobacco taxes. This would be mitigated somewhat by other taxes collected on other things that the British population might be expected to spend that money on. The government could financially withstand this shift.

But the second, long term effect of this would be that there would be so many more people living so many more years beyond the age when they could collect a government pension, that the cost of the total pension allotments to the population would be enormous. The combination of these two shifts would bankrupt the English government in about 1 to 1.5 generations, and these costs could not be mitigated by anything less than lowering the standard of living for the entire English population. Obviously, there would some political consequences to this.

Given this news, the English government chose not to act on any previously proposed plans to eliminate smoking in that country. Basically, if you smoke, your government has already identified you as a person willing to pay higher taxes for your entire life, without political consequences to anyone in government for imposing them on you, and then voluntarily die off about 7-12 years earlier at the time in your life when you would be collecting back from the government some of the taxes it has been collecting from you. Much like many of the women members here often write about, the government is happy to approve of and take from you all you are willing/able to give it while you are producing, and equally happy to discard you when you no longer can.

When you look at it from a strictly financial perspective like this, you start to see that the government does not treat your addiction to nicotine significantly different from the way an addiction to vagina is treated by most women. Addiction is a weakness that creates an enormous economic opportunity for any who can limit the supply whatever it is you have chosen to become addicted to, and you would be naive to assume that such an economic opportunity would be ignored. Tobacco companies are basically drug dealers, and the government that allows them to continue to profit does so because the tobacco industry is so generous at sharing their profits with that same government.

This is the same government, by the way, that passed the laws that make men so disposable in family courts, once a man is in a position to have his resources extracted.

You have to watch out for your own backside gentlemen, for anyone else you trust to do it is probably already in line to take a bite out of it…

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