Anyone got any good books on "useful" morality

[Cú ChulainnParticipant 3910]

X11 wrote:

Idiot, argue a position, stop being a coward.

I told you my position numerous times.

You are desperately cling to a strawman.

Call it whatever you want.

I do not hold a belief in God.

I do not KNOW if there is or isn’t a god/s.

That simple.

That’s my position, stop being a loser and argue a position.

Argument by repetition. The logical fallacy where one just repeats a premise without laying out reasons for his assertion, ie “X is true” repeat ad nauseam.

Argument to the person (ad hominem). The logical fallacy where the fallacious attacks the person, not his argument.

[Ever5Participant 1008]

yeah, I’m just saying that that’s called being agnostic. Which is perfectly OK.

This whole thing started from me calling Atheism a religion because to be atheist it requires blind faith. Then it turned into this big thing. And then I found out you and Autolite are actually Agnostic. And that’s cool. Everything is cool.

Truth has no place to live in the mind of a woman.

[Ever5Participant 1008]

and actually that chart is still wrong. if someone “knows” there is a god, that would be called Gnostic. Of course that knowledge would still be based on trusting one’s own experience. So gnostics are like the types that get revelation from deep meditation and spiritual experiences, visions, and what not. Still there is some blind faith there as well, but it’s having faith that, OK this is my experience and my experience must be real.

Truth has no place to live in the mind of a woman.

[X11Spectator 4520]

Weak, you still trying to hide in definitions and no actual argument.

Funny you can’t come up with a position or argue against mine. You avoid and hide like cowards.

Wouldn’t matter if I called it $45%&@/ it wouldn’t change that I don’t hold a belief in god and I do not know if a god does or doesn’t exist.

[Ever5Participant 1008]

yeah, maybe we don’t have an argument at all.

I was under the impression that you were stating that you were an atheist, and maybe it was you, maybe it was autolite, argued that atheism was not a religion based on blind faith.

I’m merely saying that yeah… to be an atheist, it does require blind faith.

But I think this has turned into the telephone game, where it’s turned into something that it was never was in the beginning.

Truth has no place to live in the mind of a woman.

[Cú ChulainnParticipant 3910]

X11 wrote:

I don’t hold a belief in god and I do not know if a god does or doesn’t exist.

Yes I know it’s confusing isn’t it? You’re agnostic. Let’s put it into a nice logical syllogism for you.

Premise 1 : I don’t believe in God.

Premise 2 : I don’t know if God exists.

Conclusion: I don’t believe in God, but I don’t know if one exists. Therefore there may or may not be a God. I am agnostic

agnostic
noun
a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God.

[Ever5Participant 1008]

I think we’re on the same page.

“I do not hold a belief in God.

I do not KNOW if there is or isn’t a god/s.”

So you agree that you are agnostic. So we don’t have an argument, we have an agreement. So as far as me responding back and forth, I just can’t help myself. We don’t have an argument.

Truth has no place to live in the mind of a woman.

[X11Spectator 4520]

Er, you can be agnostic, don’t know if a god exists for sure or not but still believe there is a god.

Which would make you an agnostic theist.

That is different to my position hence the need to qualify.

I state my position I don’t care about Dawkins position or any other diversion you throw up.

[X11Spectator 4520]

If this doesn’t help you get it then I can only refer you to a special ed teacher;

[Ever5Participant 1008]

This must be some new “trendy” thing that I haven’t gotten around to.

So religion is like a spectrum now.

Ok, well I guess I can’t argue with that.

So what’s your pronoun?

Truth has no place to live in the mind of a woman.

[Ever5Participant 1008]

And basically what I’m gathering here, everyone is basically now agnostic?

Except the ones that went into a cave in isolation and had some spiritual visions and left their body and all that?

Truth has no place to live in the mind of a woman.

[Ever5Participant 1008]

Ok I think I’m starting to get this, I remember this now, yeah it was 2007, and it turns out everyone is bisexual but the fit somewhere on a spectrum…

Yeah… this sounds really familiar

Truth has no place to live in the mind of a woman.

[X11Spectator 4520]

Yes belief and knowledge is on a spectrum.

Sorry the world is not as simple as your mind.

Nothing new, every branch of science, engineering and applied mathematics have been quantifying uncertainty for hundreds of years. Epistemologists also consider a spectrum of certainty.

Sux for you that reality doesn’t conform to your simpleton world view.

Get used to it.

[X11Spectator 4520]

Ever5 wrote:

Ok I think I’m starting to get this, I remember this now, yeah it was 2007, and it turns out everyone is bisexual but the fit somewhere on a spectrum…

Yeah… this sounds really familiar

Another idiotic diversion from the troll.

[Ever5Participant 1008]

Yep, I guess I’m just behind the times…

So what’s your pronoun? I wanna make sure I check my privilege.

Truth has no place to live in the mind of a woman.

[Cú ChulainnParticipant 3910]

X11 wrote:

If this doesn’t help you get it then I can only refer you to a special ed teacher;

The logical fallacy of arguing to authority. Who is this “special ed teacher” and who/what gives him the authority to classify belief thus?

Does he have special esoteric knowledge that we are unaware of. Why are you appealing to his presumed authority?

He’s just another swinging dick with an opinion unless you can find a LOGICAL argument that can justify his assertions in this thread.

[X11Spectator 4520]

PFFFT, trying to hard bro.

have a good day.

[Cú ChulainnParticipant 3910]

X11 wrote:

Yes belief and knowledge is on a spectrum.

Sorry the world is not as simple as your mind.

Nothing new, every branch of science, engineering and applied mathematics have been quantifying uncertainty for hundreds of years. Epistemologists also consider a spectrum of certainty.

Sux for you that reality doesn’t conform to your simpleton world view.

Get used to it.

Argumentum ad hominem. Boy, the logical fallacies just flow like a river.

If belief and knowledge is on a scale then by that logic, using Dawkins himself, the non existence of God is as reasonable as there is a teapot orbiting the sun. Just because something is unlikely doesn’t automatically make it impossible. Atheism may be classified as unbelief, but unbelief is a belief system in itself, and without evidence for or against, it becomes dogma itself, RELIGIOUS dogma.

Plus, you have not accounted for faith, which is incomprehensible when making logical statements on the nature of human belief systems.

[Cú ChulainnParticipant 3910]

X11 wrote:

PFFFT, trying to hard bro.

have a good day.

Nope fella, this is applied logic. You’ve banged on about it so long now you’re getting logic 101. Prove me wrong, counter my syllogism – the premise + premise = conclusion argument is ground level basic bitch logic, taught in Ancient Greece, and still used today.

You demanded arguments through logic over countless posts. You got one, study that bottom tier syllogism I posted earlier and get back to me.

Maybe you don’t know logic after all.

[AutoliteParticipant]

X11 wrote:

Funny this dude gets so bent out of shape of which word you are.

Let’s not be too hard on him. Perhaps the English language itself is what he’s struggling with. Maybe he would be more comfortable with a different language…

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