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I have opened up to being an MGTOW with a couple of “close friends”, who I consider brothers, yet they both constantly partake on the blue pill, and disagree with my beliefs and views. While I tell them that this has not changed me, it has changed the way I approach relationships, and they seem to be growing distant because of it. I don’t want to lose them as friends, but I also will not subject to blue-pilled views and White Knight ideologies. Any advice as to what I should do? If there are any changes, I will post them as replies. Thank You for your time.
Dump them. Or be ready to.
I have a friend who is so pathetic I can’t even spend time with him anymore. One evening we were out getting a late snack somewhere and pretty girl was exiting as we were going in. I kept on going but he ran after her just to tell her how pretty she is. I had to bitch slap him for that. She looks back at me as though I should have had him on a leash. When he came back he was out of breath and I asked him “how did it go?”.
HE: “She has a boyfriend.”
ME: “That’s what she SAYS.”
HE: “WHAT?”
ME: “and you believed her.”
HE: “Do you think she was LYING?”
ME: “Of COURSE she’s lying. When a chick tells you she “has a boyfriend”, it means she doesn’t want YOU. F~~~ man. Do you go around telling UGLY chicks they are UGLY?”
HE: “Uh…. no.”
ME: “Then why the f~~~ do you run after a girl to tell her she’s pretty?”
HE: “huh?”
Jesus Christ. I don’t even know where to BEGIN retraining this idiot. He’s so utterly clueless and such a pussy beggar, I can’t take it any more. I have told him to get the f~~~ out of my life and stay there. It was the only time I have had to be this harsh. Other blue pill friends have “faded away” as a result of their wives alienating them from their own social circles. I’ve seen it so much, It’s a predictable certainty now.
The MGTOW is like “the escaped slave”. He brings news of FREEDOM.
Their girlfriends and wives won’t want you hanging around with them.
They prefer their husbands be kept in the dark.But it’s the endless attempts of trying to pawn me off to some single fat female friend that’s unbearable.
It also doesn’t help when your stories and experiences are much more interesting than theirs. All they talk about is spit-up and diaper genies. But then I show up and show them photos of a 5-day road trip lost in the wilderness. Nothing but an open road with no map and no plan. No razor. The phone is off and stays in the trunk. Journey and Foreigner blasting on the radio. F~~~ing paradise as far as I’m concerned.
A public declaration of MGTOW is not a good idea. It’s a calling. You can’t MAKE anyone understand. It’s too open for misunderstanding. Even MRAs (who are versed in the ways of the Manosphere) are as clueless and confused about it. Maybe you’re better at it than me, but I make it a practice to INTERNALIZE it. Nobody needs to know. When a blue-pill friend goes off, I just politely nod and enjoy their ignorance – or just keep eating.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Thank You KeyMaster, and I have been internalizing this for the great majority of the time, however these were “brothers” (I call them that because even though they are not blood related- they are people who trust me and I trust them). They have picked me up during my worst times, and have drank with me in the bests, and I have been through so much along side them. These are people who I tell things that I would not even tell my syblings/family, or even a pscychologist for that matter. However, when I told one of them (She is a lesbian, and has the mentality of a man, however hard that is to believe it is actually true) it was because she said that she could tell by my face that “something had changed” that I was more confident, and stood taller and prouder than before. Seeing as I could tell her all my secrets without any judgement, when she asked I answered. She saw some Sandman videos and agreed with some views, yet claimed NAWALT, while she herself might count as one. The other friend just simply ignored what I said. Besides these two instances, I have not and will not tell anyone else, “close” to me, since I don’t have a need to. My friends asked me what had changed me, and I answered, and will not answer the same to anyone else. I will internalize it because it is NOBODY ELSE’S decition, but my own. Thank You for the advice, and I will just internalize it from here on out.
KeyMaster said all that there is to say and it sounds like you have a plan now.
Is it just me but does every woman who hears about the NAWALT automatically thinks that they are the one. In my opinion the NAWALT is a term used to define and label an impossibility and by claiming to be a NAWALT you instantly render yourself not one. Also if someone labels you as one, that disqualifies you too.
Sorry for going off topic but your story made me think on the NAWALT.
I labeled her as a NAWALT, since she could actually rationalize about my point of view, and tried to understand my way of thinking in regards to the topic (MGTOW), something that (Hypothetically), If I told any other woman, they would not even TRY to look at things from a different point of view other than their own. I guess this mostly is because of her sexual orientation, or some other factor. And while I would normally agree that there is no such thing as a NAWALT, I believe she is either one, or one of the closest to the real thing.
I’ve personally left or pushed away blue pill friends in my own life.
A buddy of mine recently got mixed up with a girl (who is now pregnant), Well he comes to me for advice, i give it to him and in turn he gets all butthurt and p~~~ed at me because i told him to take a paternity test from this girlfriend just to make sure this kid is actually His, his reply “i was with her everyday” i told him that’s hard to believe because nobody is together every f~~~ing day.
So he got p~~~ed and since then our friendship which was strong for a good 20+ has now ceased. Friendship is about honesty and compassion, i showed compassion as well as honesty in my words, but you can’t reason with a stubborn person.
I was “black listed”by my male friends wives after i “went my own way”… WMOW! ha!, i think i just started another movement. Anyways I digress, after my divorce in 2008 i noticed how i was invited over my married friends houses less and less, and how we all seemed to stop hanging out with my married guy friends. One night a buddy came over and told me that His wife saw me as a “Threat” and she didn’t like how “single” I was. I felt like i was in school again, and remembered how when you misbehaved around another kid you would be “separated”?, that’s how i felt.
I personally (my own personal opinion) look at MGTOW in a secret society Fight Club way, “first rule of MGTOW, DON’T TALK ABOUT MGTOW”. Because I feel unless someone is actually a MGTOW, they wont understand, And at this point in my life, i’m tired of explaining s~~~ to people who either don’t understand, or are quick to make judement calls. to each is own.
Now as far as your Lesbian friend making that comment about you being more confident. MGTOW are way more confident then your average man, why? we stop giving a f~~~, a long time ago and do what we want, when WE want. Women see that s~~~?, and they’ll throw themselves at you.
"If You have the Tooth of a Whale, You must have the Whale's Jaw to hold it". (i.e. One Must have the right qualifications for leadership) -Hawaiian Proverb
I am also compelled to add a story I talked about here previously. A friend I had for 25 years. So tragically blue pill, I can’t bear to look at him. But I will just say….
They are RELENTLESSLY unaware.
A MGTOW has already found out ether is no such thing as Santa Claus – and he LIKES that reality. He PREFERS it. It feels good for him to know that Santa and the Easter bunny don’t exist. This means he is willing to embrace a reality that was not previously presented to him. He was taught something else. He was taught there is a Santa and an Easter Bunny.
Even though accepting their non existence could have been a painful experience, he is a fundamental seeker of the truth. If you COULD prove their existence, he would believe it. That’s how reality driven he is. Even when he doesn’t believe it… he WILL change his mind if there is enough supporting evidence.
A blu-pill person will NOT.
They will tell themselves and believe ANYTHING – no matter how compelling the evidence to the contrary. Their prison is a familiar, comfortable zone – padded with walls of velvety self-deception.
A RedPill man simply can NOT sit down and have dinner with that kind person, or hang with them for extended period. In the most fundamental way, they cannot be true “friends”. It’s impossible.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.I am wondering on how my friends will take my MGTOW philosophies. They have already accepted that I do not want to get married or even be in a relationship, but in their minds it is because I have yet to meet the right woman. I am a weird guy in real life ( if you guys have not noticed that yet 😀 ) , and have always marched to the beat of my own drum. But I am not sure how they would take to the MGTOW mentality.
One is married and the one I was to late to help. I know he would not abandon me but try to change my mind, as long as I do not criticize his life he would not think twice about my MGTOW lifestyle. He would pity me.
Another is a pussy whipped guy who thinks he is in control of his relationship. His delusional mindset is fascinating, but oddly enough he is the one who would be the most supporting of my choice.
My best friend I know would understand why I have decided to this route. He has seen me be shredded by woman time and time again, and has gotten the calls from me in tears saying I want to kill myself. He would say to not close the door because you never know but would support any choice I made.
I might tell them about MGTOW someday but for now I am content with them not knowing, and thinking I am a chronic bachelor.
I do not want to get married
If you will permit me to offer a little tidbit, stop using the word “marriage”… and instead, (when you are blue-pill company) mention THE CONTRACT.
As in: “I will never sign a marriage contract under any circumstances”.
This is something you won’t even have to explain or justify. They will understand and it makes them think. It’s another one of those grenades we were talking about. But it also has the added benefit of not allowing them to accuse you of being “butthurt”. That’s the first thing they will shoot you down with. You want to avoid that. Whether you are PERSONALLY against marriage is not the issue. The issue is refusing to let THE STATE set a single foot in your personal life. That’s the point you want to make.
“Marriage” is not the reason men avoid it.
It’s the CONTRACT WITH THE STATE which is out of the question.But when in conversation with a female(s), if she pushes the subject of “marriage”, I actually AGREE! When talking with women, I am enthusiastic about marriage and I let them know this. I tell them I already have my marriage contract drafted up, and all the terms have already been written. A woman just needs to sign it. When they ask me what the terms are, I just tell them.
#1. You will shut the f~~~ up whenever I request it.
“OMFG Are you serious?”
Of course I’m serious. Shutting the f~~~ up takes less effort than applying lipstick. It takes less effort than talking! Its asking absolutely NOTHING of her. So if a woman isn’t even willing to DO NOTHING to please her husband, then she is simply not marriageable.
For all the bulls~~~ women expect their husbands to do to “make them happy”, the least a man can expect is some peace and silence when he wants it. The woman who is not willing to give him that, can get the f~~~ out.
That’s when they shut the f~~~ up about “marriage” on the spot.
And I enjoy every minute of the silence.I have never even had to mention #2.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.<cite>@mgtow.com said:</cite>
Dump them. Or be ready to.This. No talking to blue pillers. Cut all stress inducing things out of your life.
Fuck this planet.One thing I learned about going MGTOW, if I ever really had a starting point, is you will see how cheap and moveable human nature is.
Most people are already alone, they either don’t see it on purpose or don’t want to see it. MGTOW exposes people for what they really are….people. No reason to get upset, it just is what it is.
This is my personal opinion about bluepillers:
-Tell them about mgtow, red pill, etc.
-They usually deny it.
-Life goes by along with all of its experiences.
-They warm up to it.
-Some change, but most continue down the path they are on.
Enjoy your friends but don’t place friendship on a pedestal like most people place sex on a pedestal. Friendship is a gift, and like most gifts it comes and goes with time.
Power and pussy are the two most followed religions/philosophies on this earth at this time in history. It is not the minister/priest at the pulpit of some church or the professor speaking in some classroom. That is the illusion.
You call out the followers and some might call you a heretic and seek to hang you. Just a fact of the human condition.
Perfecting MGTOW requires one to quite simply say “f~~~ it” to all that is written above and continue moving. MGTOW is an act of will just as much as it is an idea.
Blue pill morons will make you snap if you listen to them. They are the anti-Nike. Just don’t do it.
People are sheeple, mindless followers of the herd psychology that tells humanity that this is the way its supposed to be.
MGTOW are the men who have stood tall and said “This is bulls~~~! I want nothing to do with it!”
As the saying goes ‘You can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink’ so it goes with blue-pillers. You can tell them all about it but like Neo in the Matrix, each person has to be told and to wake themselves up; we cant do it for them as much as we might want to."If you can fill the unforgiving minute with sixty seconds' worth of distance run,"
I used to try to argue people around to my views. It doesn’t work. My trick (and it is a trick) is to confine myself to topics on which we agree. If the conversation takes a wrong turn, I hold my peace or guide it to safer ground.
Are they holding you back? Actively working to mess you up? It just might be that you have to let go of them. You pick the way that furthers your growth and well being. They will follow, or they won’t. Either way is their choice.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
Anonymous0Your story, LOL. I know exactly what you mean. I lose all my nerves and could jump with my ass to the ceiling when I meet som of those guys.
I left all the blue pill friends at the point I did find out that I cannot call them friends anymore because of their blue-pill behavioral.
For me it is enough that I have to work with colleagues which are all on the blue-pill trip. Not even one other MGTOW in the entire Company.
So I don’t need this blue pill hooray Henrys in my life to waste my leisure time and my worthwhile and irretrievable lifetime.
Maybe you think about your wothwhile lifetime and how to spend it.best regards…
CHEERS !!!
— You should get rid of anybody who wants you to care about their s~~~ – Aki —
UPDATE: I still have contact with both of them, and I have been internalizing my MGTOW beliefs, and have been steering conversations away from the topic, I still stay in touch with both of them because they are starting to accept some of my “radical”(one said) ideas, and see that I’m still the same guy, just changed my approach towards women and society. Thank You everybody for the advice, if they drift off I won’t stop it, since at the end of the day “Life Goes On”, however I won’t push them away myself because they are, like I said before “brothers”, and I will continue to treat them as such because I don’t really have a problem with them, more with their White Knight ideas. And I usually internalize all my red-pill ideas, since I am surrounded by blue-pilled sheep everywhere I go, where it be college students, professors, strangers, hell even family members. However, I became very interested with all of your stories, if you could please share more, I could learn from you guys.
“In an age of information, ignorance is a choice.”
I separate my blue-pill friends into the “Innocent ignorant” and the “Inexcusably ignorant”. I have more sympathy for the innocents than the inexcusables. While it should be apparent to all looking from the outside what an awful idea the marriage contract is, many of us MGTOW were at one time innocents and had to live/are living through our hard fought hells to go our own way.
Then there are those that should have known better – they nursed a brother through a terrible divorce, or lived one themselves. They’ve faced a living hell paternity struggle with an ex-girlfriend and decided to re-up anyway. If you make it through hell and then decide to turn right back and around and go through again, you’re too dumb to be my friend.
However, I do think engaging that dialogue for why we are MGTOW is helpful to the unversed. My brother (7 years younger) is VERY blue pill. I make sure to share with him in lurid detail all the truths about my divorce so that I can draw him into the hell and hopefully spare him his own story. I’ve been able to take him from “I can’t wait to get married” to “Maybe I should wait until after 30 to get married.” He said to me last week “You know – maybe it would be okay if I don’t get married at all.” We can lead them there, but we can’t make them take the red pill. I’ll continue to gently nudge, but most people aren’t able to see the truth of MGTOW unless it is gradual, or unless they live their own traumatic events.
I have one friend in particular like this. Let’s call him Trevor.
Trevor was always a pretty emotional guy. He tried to hide it but it always showed. He was smitten with this girl (mutual friend of all of ours) for some time, and although they ultimately had sex, he never ended up in a relationship with her. A few years later, I find out he got himself a girl. The kicker: he had met her on the internet, she lives in Oklahoma, and he hasn’t seen a live image of her on webcam or Skype, just pictures. We did everything we could to try and let him know that this is a stupid idea. The biggest clue surely would have been when she said she’d meet up with him in Vegas on a group trip we all took, but to only his surprise, she backed out last minute. It ended earlier this year, exactly the way you’d expect: she turned out to be a completely different person than who she showed pictures of.
My point is that there’s only two ways to learn not to touch a hot stove. You can touch it and get burned, or watch someone else touch it and decide it’s a bad idea. The problem some people have is that they hold their hand over the flame and refuse to believe it’s hot.
My swim into the MGTOW waters is just beginning, and since I haven’t seen my old crew (and Trevor) since I became a MGHOW, I’ve wondered how to talk to them about it. I think the best answer is the “Fight Club” option. Just don’t talk about it.
I totally agree in KeyMaster. In my opinion this is what you need to do when talking with somebody else:
Your’e just talking about your own “feelings” right? so this shouldn’t offend anybody else. Just do not give them names like mgtow or mra… etc. These names are strange for them and they won’t try to understand you. Instead of understanding they will most probably have a mind process like this; “I’m not mgtow. I want to get married and I belong to the society; so mgtow is not friend of mine. This makes mgtow enemy!” so they will consciously or unconsciously start to think that your’e a threat to them. in the end you won’t reach them.
if you want to give them a chance to understand beware that this will give you a hard time to explain things. even if people understand the reasons they won’t accept the “new thing” easily. so don’t push hard. show them some examples, let them defend their idea. In the end it’s their own choice to see or not to see.
there are many books about human behavior. there are experiments.
“I used to try to argue people around to my views. It doesn’t work. My trick (and it is a trick) is to confine myself to topics on which we agree. If the conversation takes a wrong turn, I hold my peace or guide it to safer ground.”
One nice thing about MGTOW is that we can agree to disagree.
Sometimes I get tired of enlightenment and tell that to go f~~~ off too. Ill just disagree with people for the hell of it and let the chips fall where they may.
Yeah it may be a “dick move” in today’s culture, but f~~~ it, I am an MGTOW.
On a more serious note though: f~~~ Enlightenment. The quest for it brought more suffering and confusion to the world than everything combined. Enlightenment is a trap.
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